If i want to study another career, it's not free right? Or is it?

If not, then how the heck would i pay for it? I'm still paying school loans from my schooling years ago and i don't want to add another 10000 on top of it.

or is "going back to school" only for rich people who have the money?

Then what if we're unemployed because we don't have in demand skills, but we're poor...is there anyway out of this misery?

Also yeah i head about Financial aid, but financial aid doesn't mean you'll get it or that you qualify or that you'll get all of it free. If it's gonna be another loan thing and the whole 2 year career degree cost 10000 + dollars, then i don't have the money.

In California, you can contact the EDD (Employment Development Department).

They know what training is available and how to assess your job skills and eligibility.

So they give it to me free if i go through them?

Quote - So they give it to me free if i go through them?

Not necessarily, but you will find what is currently available and what programs apply to you.

But i mean, it's ok if the total cost is 300 dollars. but i wouldn't do it if i had to pay 10000 dollars

they are increasing the tuition again in those cal. univ. AFAIK, so that the admin staff can get 6-figure pensions.  however, tell them what career you desire.  put together a portfolio of vids and send it to disney/pixar, e.g.  doesn't matter how bad they are - they need the staff right now.  unfortunately they are looking for more resilient types who don't have any illusions about their preview anims being any good, types who can start over from ground zero, etc. n.b. avoid myspace, but try the game vendor sites.

however, tell them what career you desire.  put together a portfolio of vids and send it to disney/pixar, e.g.  doesn't matter how bad they are - they need the staff right now.

What as toilet cleaners?

These companies are at the top end of the industry, and can cherry pick from the best, so why would they accept poor work?

Plus these companies have close ties with universitys who can provide a steady stream of fresh highly talented, well trained interns who are willing to work for free.

Though the OP shouldn't give up, one 'advantadge' of being unemployed is plenty of free time to teach yourself some new skills.  No expensive college or uni fees and gives a chance to build up an impressive portfolio.

"What as toilet cleaners?

These companies are at the top end of the industry, and can cherry pick from the best, so why would they accept poor work?
"

Pixar is  always looking for  Quality Staff .
http://www.pixar.com/companyinfo/jobs/howto.html

@ tebop Consider that Many Community Colleges are Struggling and Their only option to Access Gov Education Funding is Via Tuition assistance from POOR people who apply for the Grants .
But European style "Austerity" is Coming to America soon so grab your Government Freebies while Supplies last.

Cheers

Tebop, if you are indeed in the U.S. there are grants that are not for "Poor people" sighs, that you can get. College is very costly, it doesn't matter what college you want to go to. You need to pick a school near you and go to their aid office and see what they can do to help you.

"Tebop, if you are indeed in the U.S. there are grants that are not for "Poor people" sighs, that you can get"

Perhaps.... but tebop Has stated  in Multiple threads the he is long term unemployed and living with relatives.

Having personal financial Difficulty.
as well as hinting that he may have a learning Disability.

Why should he even bother with
"grants that  are not for poor people * sighs"*

When there are still way more assistance programs for people in his Exact situation???

Cheers

Hi

I'm glad that I'm 72 and past the having to look for a job part of my life.

I'd hate to be out trying to find a job as a graphic designer anymore.

When I went to college it was cheap, no student loans or debt.

I didn't even have to have a part time job.

Now we are getting back to the way it was in the 20s and 30s where only the wealthy can afford an education.

We are going in the wrong direction, an education has never been more important then it is now.

My wife was a teacher for 49 years and retired last year. during that time she always had to spend her own money to buy supplies for school.

Now they are making the teachers the enemy and blaming everything on them.

Since I was an artist and photographer for my whole life, I get asked by young people about an arts career.

I tell them to go into video game design! LOL

How did I get on this subject. Ah, Oldtimers disease!

Bye

Mike

The most important thing is to have the knowledge. Many people study and receive a paper called "diploma", but they know nothing, so unless they are politicians or son/daughter/relative of someone important they go from place to place and in the end they end doing other things or secondary and less important thing with less payment.

On the other side, if you have the knowledge but haven't the piece of paper called "diploma", sometimes you have problem and you are barred because you haven't this piece of paper. Even so, you can manage pretty well and have a good and well payed job, after all you know how to do, and this is what is important.

If you have the knowledge and a also piece of paper called "diploma", it is a perfect combination and all the doors are open for you.

Knowledge is for free, you can learn by yourself and today with internet is very easy, the only thing you need is the desire, dedication and discipline to learn. If you don't want to learn you will not learn.

If you want the piece of paper called "diploma" then you must pay for it or someone else pay it for you, it is not free!... Well in some countries it is for free....

PS. Before you think anything, I have the piece of paper called "diploma"

Now we are getting back to the way it was in the 20s and 30s where only the wealthy can afford an education.

It certainly is in the UK, 7K a year for study fees now. Reckon in total it cost me around 12K just to do one year at uni. Couldn't afford to do it now and most folks I know , or their kids, can't either.

Thats just plain wrong, everyone should be entitled to a decent higher level education if they want it. It shouldn't be down to whats in mummy and daddys wallet. So if theres money avaliable from the government, grab it now before it goes.

If you have to say your poor to get it, so what, theres no shame there. Doesn't matter, as  long as you get.

Quote - Now we are getting back to the way it was in the 20s and 30s where only the wealthy can afford an education.

It certainly is in the UK, 7K a year for study fees now. Reckon in total it cost me around 12K just to do one year at uni. Couldn't afford to do it now and most folks I know , or their kids, can't either.

Thats just plain wrong, everyone should be entitled to a decent higher level education if they want it. It shouldn't be down to whats in mummy and daddys wallet. So if theres money avaliable from the government, grab it now before it goes.

If you have to say your poor to get it, so what, theres no shame there. Doesn't matter, as  long as you get.

 

Well said, mate. 

The employment/unemployment center gives training. i called and they said if i qualify that they pay for it.

And the training just means that you go to college. So they pay it all?

Ask them...

In the meantime, hamburger inversion training is usually on-the-job; that's how I paid for some of my college education, because I didn't expect anyone else to pay for it...

No, the training they provide is not college oriented, it is a specific training course relevant to helping you find a job quickly.  This might be typing, clerical, basic computer usage, etc.  Don't expect Unemployment to pay for a college degree specializing in basketweaving.

hborre actulaly the training they give at the Employment center is GOING TO COLLEGE. They don't have on the job training anymore. The only training they have is going to college and they have a list of the stuff you can study .

ALL of the stuff is 2 year degrees. So why you say it's not college oriented? Maybe not in your town but here when you click the TRAINING link in their site, they take you to a list of colleges and the degrees you can get. Iasked if they do on the job training and when i call them they said all the training is going to college. that's what it is.

WANDW. yeah I would pay for my thing, if i didn't already have 20000 loan to pay for my time in college way back before, which i still can't finish paying. If i go to college again i would get another 10000 on top.

Then things have changed significantly over the years.  An Associates Degree is not so bad if the state is willing to pay.  BTW, you eluted to a career change, but what career are you considering?

I dont' know but someone told me maybe i should do CAD but then i'm hearing in Economy news, that college could be a waste of time and money. and that graduates are not even getting jobs.

Also i'm reading that CAD is worthless if you don't take more architecture stuff and follow some long term study.

I just want to start working. i don't really want to study 8 years nor do i have the money.nor brains necesarily.

is CAD good?

Wolf the reason I said that is many people believe you must be poor to get grants which is not true. There is no need to start something with me.

Quote - "Tebop, if you are indeed in the U.S. there are grants that are not for "Poor people" sighs, that you can get"

Perhaps.... but tebop Has stated  in Multiple threads the he is long term unemployed and living with relatives.

Having personal financial Difficulty.
as well as hinting that he may have a learning Disability.

Why should he even bother with
"grants that  are not for poor people * sighs"*

When there are still way more assistance programs for people in his Exact situation???

Cheers

Attached Link: http://californiawatch.org/dailyreport/undocumented-students-could-get-financial-aid-under-state-dream-act-10755

I smell ribs.

LOL @Mogwa

Tebop, whatever it is you choose to do to improve your chances in this life, I can tell you one thing:

Posting off-topic complaints about your life in a forum full of strangers is almost certainly not helping much. Inasmuch as it's reinforcing a sense of victimhood in you, it is likely locking you into an emotional prison, and the longer you stay there, the harder it's going to be to get out.

To see yourself as a victim (of circumstance, of the sytem, of whatever) might well be a totally realistic and truthful statement of your status, but it is clearly not helpful to you. If you really want to improve your life, and you insist on OT postings as a way to do it, it would be miles more helpful to you to post of your attempts and successes and receive the community's encouragement than to keep on complaining about everything.

"hborre actulaly the training they give at the Employment center is GOING TO COLLEGE. They don't have on the job training anymore. The only training they have is going to college and they have a list of the stuff you can study ."

Yes This is the situation here in New York &even in Jersey
private paid Enrollments are Down due to the economy And the local Community Colleges are
harvesting Welfare receipients and parollees and urging them to apply for "Tuition assistance"
for  training classes right on campus.
I personally see no problem with is as the Faculty gets thier salaries paid  and the trainees get  chance to better prepare for the job market (such as it is)

""Wolf the reason I said that is many people believe you must be poor to get grants which is not true. There is no need to start something with me. "

I understand that many people dont understand about grants from Foundations like Carnegie
or the Bill&Melinda gates Foundation for well connected often, Affluent people who know how to write a proper proposal to apply for one.

but  since You mentioned it ,Frankly your interjection about grants for Non Poor people with sarcasticSigh**** included, did not seem relevant to helping tebop's Situation specifically as has now become clear from his latter posts.

Not trying  to "start" anything.
we are  just trying  give tebop a useful answer based on prior information he has  already shared with the community  about his personal  financial situation.

Cheers

Quote -

"hborre actulaly the training they give at the Employment center is GOING TO COLLEGE. They don't have on the job training anymore. The only training they have is going to college and they have a list of the stuff you can study ."

Yes This is the situation here in New York &even in Jersey
private paid Enrollments are Down due to the economy And the local Community Colleges are
harvesting Welfare receipients and parollees and urging them to apply for "Tuition assistance"
for  training classes right on campus.
I personally see no problem with is as the Faculty gets thier salaries paid  and the trainees get  chance to better prepare for the job market (such as it is)

Cheers

Of course, the problem is when those classes don't turn into decent jobs, but the "tuition assistance" still turns into wage garnishment and permanent harassment by collection agencies.

Borrowing money through government sponsored student loans is not quite as big a mistake as gambling with mob money, but it's pretty close.

Question for US folks. After you get your 1st degree is there any governent help for MA's and PHD's ?

Or is like here in the UK, the assumpation is you'll get such a high paying job with your degree in surfboarding at Butlins you can afford to pay the 8-10K per year fees.

Roughly 1-2 years for an MA. time for a PHD varies dependant on subject With some courses teaching is expected. The assumpation being that with an MA you have to add something new to the sum of human knowledge and with a PHD pass that on.   

Which raises a good point, why not look at getting a basic teaching cert?

Fully funded and with some nice golden handshakes to get people on the courses. Many uni's also like people with life experience rather just academic stuff.

Of course, the problem is when those classes don't turn into decent jobs, but the "tuition assistance" still turns into wage garnishment and permanent harassment by collection agencies.

That happens here, we don't have to repay anything until we earn over 15K. Though that assumes you can get a good job after graduation.

Very few of us actually used the qualifactions/skills we got from the courses. Indeed I consider  myself really lucky the uni supportted me and helped me start up a business. Most people went back home or carried on working at the same jobs they got while studying. *

"Of course, the problem is when those classes don't turn into decent jobs, but the "tuition assistance" still turns into wage garnishment and permanent harassment by collection agencies.

Borrowing money through government sponsored student loans is not quite as big a mistake as gambling with mob money, but it's pretty close."

Wrong..Perhaps I should have Clarified these are literally grants here in New York/ NJ " Not Loans
 and they are not for four year degrees just a few months "vocational training"
 better than sitting home Doing nothing for some I suppose.

Cheers

Quote -  

WANDW. yeah I would pay for my thing, if i didn't already have 20000 loan to pay for my time in college way back before, which i still can't finish paying. If i go to college again i would get another 10000 on top.

 

 

Not sure about where you live, but where I live unless you are current and in good standing with student loans, they won't give you more.  And there is a lifetime amount that you can get also. I don't know what that amount is, but when I was in nursing school there was a girl who was a "professional student".  She had 2 degrees before going to nursing school. She said that her husband also had 2 degrees and he was still in school too.  The reason she gave is because they couldn't afford to pay back the student loans, so they just kept going to school repeatedly.  She maxed out her loans in nursing school, so once she graduated from that course she then owed over $100,000 in loans that she had no idea how she was going to pay for.  Her husband had about the same amount.

Quote - "Of course, the problem is when those classes don't turn into decent jobs, but the "tuition assistance" still turns into wage garnishment and permanent harassment by collection agencies.

Borrowing money through government sponsored student loans is not quite as big a mistake as gambling with mob money, but it's pretty close."

Wrong..Perhaps I should have Clarified these are literally grants here in New York/ NJ " Not Loans
 and they are not for four year degrees just a few months "vocational training"
 better than sitting home Doing nothing for some I suppose.

Cheers

Oh, if they're grants, then totally true. Almost anything would be better than doing nothing, even if all the classes do is force you to maintain a daytime schedule and keep you accustomed to real adult conversation. ;)

I still maintain that one of the best skills a person can acquire is the ability to type 80wpm with accuracy. No classes, no diploma, nothing needed to prove your skill, except a $10 typing test. And if you do go to university, it'd be a godsend of a skill when you've procrastinated and have only an hour to write that 10 page paper.

You can say the same for 10 key speed.

To be sure, pure data entry jobs are not easy and they don't exactly offer anyone's idea of a great salary. But it's not as if keyboarding are useless skills for other careers. It's amazing how much time an accountant can save if he/she can actually type.

If keyboarding were offered at these training centers, and I didn't already have pretty decent speeds, I'd leap on the chance to improve.

Barring that, one can always spend $10 on a Mavis Beacon CD.

There's any number of sites out there with information on various careers. Also, if you want to see books about various fields, certification books, etc., try a site like freebookspot, share book free, etc., on most of the 'hot' fields. 

Certifications can help if you can't get into college. In NC, where I am, there was a program that would let you study for certification programs, things like medical staff, network staff, etc. I'm sure other states have similar programs, as mentioned above.

Quote - try a site like freebookspot, share book free, etc., on most of the 'hot' fields.

LOL!, there are many "Computer Graphics" books there