The problem for 3rd party figures, IMO is the way the Poser market is structured. You have a few professionals who probably want something quick & easy to meet a deadline or a budget (I'm assuming). You have a horde of hobbyists who want some thing easy with a lot of associated content that is ready to go. Then you have the dedicated power users who can/will create their own content, convert clothing and textures etc. A 3rd party figure needs lots of the latter group who will essentially do a lot of their own support until - hopefully - the figure catches on.

Maya Doll was pretty successful back in the day, but she was fairly unique, came before the Daz figures were available free, and there were just fewer choices all around. I also think a lot of her support came from the Japanese Poser community. Brad/Antonia et al are great but it seems that a lot of their appeal is technical superiority which may be of less interest to group 2. Miki has been pretty successful but much of her appeal - I think - lies in being a fairly realistic Asian figure, rather than on how well she bends. For better or worse, a figure is not going to achieve widespread popularity based on technical superiority alone, no matter how much that may attract group 3.

As for Daz, the are going to evolve in whatever direction the see the 3D market(s) going. Presumably that's why they've continued to invest in Studio. I doubt it's a cash cow, may not even turn a profit, but it frees them to pursue their goals without being totally tied to Poser. I seriously doubt that they're as stupid as some people seem to think regarding their bottom line. If Genesis turns out to be a New Coke, I'm pretty sure they have a Plan B. Plenty of former HP execs available if they decide they want to f**k up badly enough :-) 

most of my images use M3-M4/H4 characters in poser 8. I like the genesis figure so far but not to abandon poser. since daz is probably going this way, i will probably not renew my platinum club membership next month after 10 years. I don't much coming my way that I can use. too bad.

To be honest, I see Genesis as a boon for other third Party figures. After all, it's not like other third party figures haven't made inroads against the Victoria and Michael line.

Also, I used to use Aiko 3 quite a bit, but I've barely touch Aiko 4. I never used the Girl then or the She Freak. And Stephanie Petite was no where near as popular as V4. All DAZ characters, all made by DAZ. And let's not forget DAZ's Sarah. So if you're going to go with the quality argument are you saying that these were inferior quality models?

Obviously, the reason V4 is so popular is because of marketing and support. Antonia doesn't have the market support... yet, but she's got community buzz. Even more than before, in part, because of Genesis being a Studio-only figure.

I honeslty believe that if CP were to hype the Poser figures, or even Antonia, and support them as much as much as DAZ hypes Victoria, support for them would grow.

It will be interesting to see how the new figure, Mariko, from Animotions,does.

There's a thread on Mariko here.

Takeovers, invasions and Grand Conspiracies are comforting but don't accurately reflect the real world of the Grand Cock-Up and muddling through! :biggrin:

I think DAZ were genuinely taken by surprise when SM rejected their file format.

Sure, you could say, DAZ should not have put all their eggs in the one basket and relied on the kindness of compettitors. So now they are paying the price by hurriedly having to replicate that work and trying to squeeze genesis into a CR2.

edited to add smiley!

Quote - I think DAZ were genuinely taken by surprise when SM rejected their file format.

If they really expected SM to accept their proprietary technologies without questions, all while endangering Poser survival, the definiton of the word delusional needs an urgent update.

B.t.w. conspiracies do exists: I have found a top secret video shot in SPECTRE HQ showing No.1 cat munching... have a look here and shiver in fear.

Quote - I think DAZ were genuinely taken by surprise when SM rejected their file format.

Sure, you could say, DAZ should not have put all their eggs in the one basket and relied on the kindness of compettitors. So now they are paying the price by hurriedly having to replicate that work and trying to squeeze genesis into a CR2.

IMHO, they weren't surprised. They're whole point in pushing Genesis before POSER 9 came out was to get Poser users to pressure SM to add support for Genesis. Pressure that wouldn't need to be supplied if SM was already inclined to add that support.

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad SM added weightmapping support. It's great that Poser supports the Animatable Joint Centers. So frankly, I think Poser has at least met DAZ halfway without giving up their autonomy. It's up to DAZ the go the other half. Frankly, at this point I'm with Robinsveil and just don't care anymore. Primarily because unless I can get Genesis without having to get Studio, I just don't want it.

I don't think the format is proprietary. Unlike Poser, DAZ have gone for an off-the-shelf solution.

I'm using a 2 year old extension for Notepad++ to read and edit DSF files. Created long before DAZ had even announced its 'new' format.

The problem, for me anyway, is that you can't get Genesis via any other means than DS4. In my case, my compuer won't run either the current or previous version of Studio. It does run Poser though, so unless there's a standalone version Genesis, or I upgrade my computer, literally not an option at this time, I'm shut out of Genesis.

Quote:-"...so unless there's a standalone version...I'm shut out of Genesis."

So... put pressure on SM :biggrin:

SM may not like it, but it sounds like the best solution for you and you won't have to go anywhere near DS or those slightly funny smelling DS users.

Having a new importer doesn't tie SM to anything. Just like the Lightwave import has not tied them to Newtek.

Quote - So... put pressure on SM :biggrin:

SM may not like it, but it sounds like the best solution for you and you won't have to go anywhere near DS or those slightly funny smelling DS users.

Having a new importer doesn't tie SM to anything. Just like the Lightwave import has not tied them to Newtek.

Putting pressure on SM won't accomplish anything if I can't even open DS to get at Genesis. A standalone installer like for V4 or anyother figure would mean that All I need to do is install the figure in my Poser Runtime. Open Poser and use it.

Never seen a coathanger? Also just some twisted wire.

Take a look at this, just over 8000 poly's for the figure, AND YOU HAVE IT ALL in your Library's.
All you have to do is use it. :-)

Click to enlarge, and the STOP sign is a default poser 8 prop.

Yes, install a standalone figure to a runtime, open Poser, click on V5.dsf and... thats it, all loaded!

I was just thinking of getting a standalone figure into Poser. Are you now talking about the whole mix'n'match part of Genesis?

I don't get it, are you blaming the poser community and/or Smith Micro because Daz made a figure that wouldn't work in Poser?

If it even qualifies as a problem, it seems Daz owns the problem.

Quote - I don't think the format is proprietary. Unlike Poser, DAZ have gone for an off-the-shelf solution.

I'm using a 2 year old extension for Notepad++ to read and edit DSF files. Created long before DAZ had even announced its 'new' format.

It is a JSON serialization but this does not mean that it is open. The way data are written and the content might be covered by patents and in any case you should check first that the EULA allows hacking it. Unless you have proof that what you are doing is allowed by the EULA, you might be in legal trouble even for just opening the file with a text editor.

Real open formats come with a license that explicitly allows people to use them, create code for reading/writing etc. without strings attached; e.g. check PNG specification which is also an example that openess has nothing to do with a file being text instead of binary.

And before you start with the usual slandering about my mental equilibrium, have a look at Free Software Foundation site for some introduction to the legal aspects of these problems (e.g. DOC vs. ODF).

But its not 'a' figure that you're talking about.

The solution to a single figure is either SM reads DSF or DS writes CR2, or both, thats almost trivial, and DS writing to a CR2 doesn't help EClark if he can't get to DS :unsure:

The rest of Genesis is more like a new capability, more like IDL or SSS.

For the past three or so years that DS could do SSS, are you saying it was up to DAZ to get SSS working in Poser?

Quote - ...before you start with the usual slandering about my mental equilibrium

You may have me confused with someone else, I hope all my posts have been polite and constructive. :mellow:

I am having way too much fun creating sisters for the default PoserPro Lo Res female

From default to => Click to enlarge

Gene-thing is a hype, completely forgotten in a month or 2.

Quote - But its not 'a' figure that you're talking about.

The solution to a single figure is either SM reads DSF or DS writes CR2, or both, thats almost trivial, and DS writing to a CR2 doesn't help EClark if he can't get to DS :unsure:

The rest of Genesis is more like a new capability, more like IDL or SSS.

For the past three or so years that DS could do SSS, are you saying it was up to DAZ to get SSS working in Poser?

Writing to a DS plugin does me no good regardless of what Poser does since I CAN"T RUN DS ON MY COMPUTER! Nor do I WANT to run DS on my computer. So for me, Genesis isn't in the cards unless DAZ comes up with a way to bypass Studio altogether. I don't have a problem with Genesis. I have a problem with being able to get to Genesis ONLY through Studio.

Quote - > Quote - But its not 'a' figure that you're talking about.

The solution to a single figure is either SM reads DSF or DS writes CR2, or both, thats almost trivial, and DS writing to a CR2 doesn't help EClark if he can't get to DS :unsure:

The rest of Genesis is more like a new capability, more like IDL or SSS.

For the past three or so years that DS could do SSS, are you saying it was up to DAZ to get SSS working in Poser?

Writing to a DS plugin does me no good regardless of what Poser does since I CAN"T RUN DS ON MY COMPUTER! Nor do I WANT to run DS on my computer. So for me, Genesis isn't in the cards unless DAZ comes up with a way to bypass Studio altogether. I don't have a problem with Genesis. I have a problem with being able to get to Genesis ONLY through Studio.

That was actually a reply to Bevans84

Quote - But its not 'a' figure that you're talking about.

The solution to a single figure is either SM reads DSF or DS writes CR2, or both, thats almost trivial, and DS writing to a CR2 doesn't help EClark if he can't get to DS :unsure:

The rest of Genesis is more like a new capability, more like IDL or SSS.

For the past three or so years that DS could do SSS, are you saying it was up to DAZ to get SSS working in Poser?

Don't care.

It's not a Poser "figure" "character" "project" or anything else it can be called, otherwise it would work in Poser. Or should I buy something that doesn't work in my software because it's neat? Haven't seen anything done with Genesis that knocked my socks off yet, so it's not a big deal.

I'm thinking Daz will release a version of V5 w/morphs in Poser format sometime down the road, and some folk will say they like V4 better, but most will buy it and all will be well in the Poser/Daz universe.

It's their project, none of my business. Wish them the best. I'm spending my time playing around with the new weight mapped Antonia anyway.

Quote - I'm thinking Daz will release a version of V5 w/morphs in Poser format sometime down the road, and some folk will say they like V4 better, but most will buy it and all will be well in the Poser/Daz universe.

Completely agree with that :biggrin:

Considering the obvious benefits to Poser users would Poser really be harmed by having a DSF import?

Lets call it a framework! I get the impression that many Poser users, like EClark, want more than V5 they do want the Genesis framework in Poser and without going near DS.

N.B. not targeted at anyone specifically, just a general observation.  

I get the feeling that if Daz had released a Poser only version of Gene/Jenny/V5 whatever before a DS version, some Poser folk would still see it as sinister Daz plot to destroy Poser, create a horde of zombified thralls and sneak infanticide into the EULA. Though I rarely visit the Daz forums, I certainly would not be surprised to see the same in reverse over there. 

It's bad enough to see it in politics, where at least there are powerful forces manipulating the sheeple. In this case, it seems to be bore of nothing more than human's unfortunate natural bent for antagonism and discord over even the most minor issues. Oh well, unlike a soccer riot thers's no blood being shed. Have fun.

The division between Poser and DAZ started a LONG time ago. Before Poser5  was released Curious Labs gave DAZ the option(more like extortion) of porting Vicky(I believe it was V2 at the time but it could have been V3) to their brand spanking new "Face Room" for a huge sum(I believe the rumored fee would have been 100K though that wasn't verified to my knowledge). DAZ passed, and after the P5 release debacle started planing their own AP in response. I see no real difference between Curious Labs freezing DAZ out and the new Genesis figures being DAZ specific..... With the possible exception that DAZ isn't attempting to extort anyone.

IIRC, the story was that the maker of the FaceRoom technology did the figure adaptations and dictated the price. Daz, in a similar vein may not have that much say in getting OptiTex creation tools for DS at a good price. Everyone's at the mercy of their partners/vendors to a certain extent

Personally I have nothing for or against DAZ, even though I have used Poser in one form or anither since I started working in 3D art. I tried DAZ and Poser 6 at the same time and liked Poser better, no big deal. The only real issue I am having with the whole Genesis debacle is that if a plug in is made I will have to install DS4 to use it, and that really iritates me, but if SM OR DAZ were to make a plug in for Poser Pro 2012 I would buy it so I could use Genesis, I have seen a lot of great things being done with it over in the DAZ forums, yes I keep one foot in each forum, both have great info and I just ignore all of the negative that both spew out. I am sure that there are a lot of artists that use Poser that would pick up Genesis if there were a Poser plug in that did not require the instilation of DS4 on their computer. For me at this time it is a matter of principle, I do not want to have to learn a new workflow just to use one figure and some of the really cool stuff that has come out for it.

Now if you give me a minute I will done my flame retardant suit and you may fire away!

DSF support for Poser is not very likely. The Poser team does not have time to follow every whimp DAZ makes when it releases a new update to Genesis and/or the DSF format.

The CR2 exporter for Genesis in DS4 will probably be very limited. Load, morph, cloth your character in DS4, then export the result and use Poser to pose and render. This is the impression I got from remarks by DAZ people (no autofit for Poser, so no clothing fit in Poser, adding morphs and scaling have to be done before export)

If that is how it is going to be, I don't think it will be used much by Poser users.

Unfortunately I have read some of the same things, and if DAZ can not offer a figure that works the same in Poser as it does DAZ than I will have to turn my back on it and wait for V5/M5 to come out. Yes I have heard that they will be morphs of the Genesis platform but I am betting that DAZ will not turn its back on the thousands of Poser users out there by making it a DAZ only figure like Genesis. That would be poor business sense if they did that, not only would they lose the base figure sales but the hundres of thousands of dollars that would encompas the clothing and poses needed to use those figures would be lost. I truly hope that DAZ and SM get past their "Whose got the biggest pair on the block" issues and come to terms with the rift that is being created by their stuborness!

Daz has a lot of new, exciting ventures on its horizon: Poser user desires and needs factor very low on their priority list. The 3D artist market is tiny compared to the gaming industry and social network system such as 2nd Life, etc. I don't see Daz making bad decisions at all, just not at all with the Poser community's interests at heart.

Fair enough: I don't blame them. They are moving in the right direction... for Daz.

Quote - Daz has a lot of new, exciting ventures on its horizon: Poser user desires and needs factor very low on their priority list. The 3D artist market is tiny compared to the gaming industry and social network system such as 2nd Life, etc. I don't see Daz making bad decisions at all, just not at all with the Poser community's interests at heart.

Fair enough: I don't blame them. They are moving in the right direction... for Daz.

That is cool that DAZ is branching out into Video games 2nd life and social networking but why would they abandon an already established niche in the 3D market? That is like Ford saying they will no longer make trucks. All they have to do is allow their designers to continue to do what they have been doing and sit back and reap the profits. I just don't understand the sudden change in mind set.

I guess that is why I continue to be a working stiff, I just don't understand big business!

Because the 3D artist market is tiny and the gaming and social network markets are huge? makes perfectly good business sense to me. But I'm with you: I'm also a working flexible (nurses have to be :lol:) and could never hope to understand the business world.

Resources are limited. I'm sure they're fine with PAs making stuff for Gen 4 etc. But their own resources are going to be where it makes the most financial sense. If the tech behind Genesis can be used in gaming etc, and they can make 5x as much (or whatever) with a coordinated push, they're not going to waste a lot of time on product development just to support Poser. I don't blame them for that; I'm not anti-DAZ at all. But I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for something I can use in Poser either - it probably never will be comparably usable in Poser as in DS. That's life; I'm not gonna worry about it.

Quote - Resources are limited. I'm sure they're fine with PAs making stuff for Gen 4 etc. But their own resources are going to be where it makes the most financial sense. If the tech behind Genesis can be used in gaming etc, and they can make 5x as much (or whatever) with a coordinated push, they're not going to waste a lot of time on product development just to support Poser. I don't blame them for that; I'm not anti-DAZ at all. But I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for something I can use in Poser either - it probably never will be comparably usable in Poser as in DS. That's life; I'm not gonna worry about it.

My sentiments exactly. I don't lose sleep over Carrara or Bryce-specific content either, as enticing as it may seem.

Want to use Genesis? get DS4. There's no Poser version.

Simple as that.

Shadowhawk, I wouldn't worry about DAZ moving into gaming and away from what they're doing now.

SnowS

I don't think that's what anybody said.

Quote - Shadowhawk, I wouldn't worry about DAZ moving into gaming and away from what they're doing now.

SnowS

I'm absolutely sure that the underlined bit is true. And the bold bit is indeed nothing to worry about, either.

:sigh:

Shadow seemed to be concerned that DAZ would be moving into gaming and away from making content for 3D artists. I have heard from at least one source at DAZ (take whatever you want from that) that they are not planning on focusing more on gaming than on making content for Poser and Studio.

LOL, you just had to get that little dig in there about not worrying (i.e. caring) about what DAZ does, didn't ya?    ;)

Quote - :sigh:

Shadow seemed to be concerned that DAZ would be moving into gaming and away from making content for 3D artists. I have heard from at least one source at DAZ (take whatever you want from that) that they are not planning on focusing more on gaming than on making content for Poser and Studio.

LOL, you just had to get that little dig in there about not worrying (i.e. caring) about what DAZ does, didn't ya?    ;)

It's my job, ma'am.

Actually, I'm really sorry I missed the discussion earlier at -that- -other- -site- ... I would have tried to defend your position. I'd like to commend you on your bravery and your willingness to face what you must have guessed was going to be rather unhappy people.

I don't mean to sound flippant about anything, but at the end of the day, it's really all about what suits. My lack of caring about a product shouldn't reflect on its viability or quality. Before I got into Vue Studio 9 (just upgraded) there were a lot of things on Cornucopia that I simply couldn't use: they were for a version 2 generations newer. So, the same lack of caring about that particular product applied.

Same here with Genesis. As has been said, the beauty of Genesis can only be appreciated with the supporting tools, and those tools are only available for DS4. SM isn't about to develop any sort of plugin or addon or service pack to emulate those tools for Poser, and per Daz's own statement neither are they. It's a case of either using DS4 and using Genesis or not using DS4 and not having access to those tools for Genesis.

Seems pretty straight-forward to me.

I'm a he.  :)

Thank you, I would have liked it if you had been there because I know you can be reasonable. I also like your Antonia renders, you're doing an excellent job. Yes, Genesis is a Studio-only figure and it was never my intention to 'push' it on anyone. I just don't really want to see the market split, but that may happen (if it hasn't already) through no fault of the users. At least Poser users do have other options, and I'm sure you'll do your best to support them.

SnowS

:blushing: :blushing: :blushing: :blushing: :blushing: :blushing:

I'm SO sorry... I wasn't sure.

:blushing: :blushing: :blushing: :blushing: :blushing: :blushing:

I think that you and I share an interest in what the future holds for artists. Programmes are just tools: they can change and be modded over time. And, quite frankly, neither Poser nor DS are seeing the sort of lightning-fast development Blender is: now there's something to explore for both parties. I'm buried in deep trying to learn all the new stuff in Poser Pro 2012 atm, but when i come up for air, Blender will have Cycles and BMesh and-and-and... sheesh. Where does it end?

:blink:

Haha, it's no problem at all, I would rather be called ma'am than some of the things I got called today.  ;)

Yes, I've thought about Blender more than once but that interface scares me. Both Poser and DAZ Studio have been more than good enough for what I've ever needed anyway.

It would be nice if something could be done somehow to make whatever figure Poser users get behind able to use clothing designed for Genesis. That way, you could use the figure you want but still take advantage of anything vendors here or anywhere else make for it (and maybe DS users could even use the things made for that figure).

Anyway, talk to you soon.  :)

SnowS

We might need to talk to Ralf Sessler: he might have some brilliant ideas for a future version of "Morphing Clothes".

Nice chatting with you, too!

Quote - No, but the problem isn't with the figure itself, it's with support as you said.

I dunno, from my point of view as a content maker, the problem with providing support is the figure itself (the neuter base shape).

About Blender: I think that these 3 video tutorials are eerely applicable to the discussion.

Quote - About Blender: I think that these 3 video tutorials are eerely applicable to the discussion.

Downloaded... soon as I finish this tutorial, I'll get stuck into them! The guy's an absolute genius. What a brilliant gift!

Quote - About Blender: I think that these 3 video tutorials are eerely applicable to the discussion.

. Many thanks for the link to these tutorials. Even though I don't use Blender I think they are really useful for anyone doing rigging.

Cheers

Ian

Quote - :sigh:

Shadow seemed to be concerned that DAZ would be moving into gaming and away from making content for 3D artists. I have heard from at least one source at DAZ (take whatever you want from that) that they are not planning on focusing more on gaming than on making content for Poser and Studio.

LOL, you just had to get that little dig in there about not worrying (i.e. caring) about what DAZ does, didn't ya?    ;)

Hi Snow,

Thanks for the info on DAZ. It isn't that I am worried about DAZ leaving its roots to try something new, it is more of a question as to why DAZ would alienate a whole sales base? I understand that DAZ has lived in the shadow of Poser for a while and they are starting to come into their own and they want everyone to know that they are not Poser. But why in the world would they design a new character that can not be used in Poser, which still provides them with a solid income? Like I have also stated I am not a DAZ hater, I just don't understand why they want to cut off their nose to prove a point? I would really like to use Genesis, BUT not at the expense of having to install another program, build my character in this program, buy an exporter, export the figure and then not even be able to get the full use out of it once it is transfered? I am sure that it is not their intent but I see that as a slap in the face for not using their progran in the first place. I can already see suport dropping off for the Gen 4 figures, I have talked to vendors that had projects in the works for V4 and M4 that have shelved them in favor of Genesis, projects that I had already had money set aside for to purchase. Plus why would you make a morph set for the new figure to use the last generations clothes and character morphs? If I were a conspiracy nut I would pull some theory about DAZ trying to force everyone to use their program if they want new content.

Like I have stated before, why is DAZ giving people the impression that they are trying to alienate a whole section of their consumer base? I shop at DAZ almost as much as I shop hhere at Rendo and RDNA as well as some of the more adult sites, and as more and more stuff comes out for Genesis only, the less I will be shopping there.

Sorry everyone, I don't mean to sound mad about all of this, I reall am not, I am just frustrated that a company that I willingly buy product from is by their actions telling me that I am no longer important.

I start to think that the only reason for Genesis existence was to show/prove their technology.

The upcoming MAIN figure will be the MAIN figure.

And Genesis was only a temporary technology demonstrator.
Nothing more, nothing less.

Or?
They put a toe in the water, to feel if it would be warm or cold??

ha-ha- and got a freezing shower in return... ha-ha-ha-

Yep, a pre-production tech demonstrator.
Like car manufacturers do.

Quote - > Quote - :sigh:

Shadow seemed to be concerned that DAZ would be moving into gaming and away from making content for 3D artists. I have heard from at least one source at DAZ (take whatever you want from that) that they are not planning on focusing more on gaming than on making content for Poser and Studio.

LOL, you just had to get that little dig in there about not worrying (i.e. caring) about what DAZ does, didn't ya?    ;)

Hi Snow,

Thanks for the info on DAZ. It isn't that I am worried about DAZ leaving its roots to try something new, it is more of a question as to why DAZ would alienate a whole sales base? I understand that DAZ has lived in the shadow of Poser for a while and they are starting to come into their own and they want everyone to know that they are not Poser. But why in the world would they design a new character that can not be used in Poser, which still provides them with a solid income? Like I have also stated I am not a DAZ hater, I just don't understand why they want to cut off their nose to prove a point? I would really like to use Genesis, BUT not at the expense of having to install another program, build my character in this program, buy an exporter, export the figure and then not even be able to get the full use out of it once it is transfered? I am sure that it is not their intent but I see that as a slap in the face for not using their progran in the first place.

 If I were a conspiracy nut I would pull some theory about DAZ trying to force everyone to use their program if they want new content.

I am NOT a conspiracy nut! You just refuse to see the signs, man!      :biggrin:

it is more of a question as to why DAZ would alienate a whole sales base? I understand that DAZ has lived in the shadow of Poser for a while and they are starting to come into their own and they want everyone to know that they are not Poser. But why in the world would they design a new character that can not be used in Poser, which still provides them with a solid income?<<

That is a good question, but because I'm just a brokered artist at DAZ, I cannot give you a definitive answer. Some people say that DAZ and Smith Micro were not able to work together well enough to get their content working perfectly in each other's software, I don't know to what extent that may be true. DAZ did want to take a larger step in their own figure development though, which I think is good because I don't know how they could have really improved that much on the fourth generation (V4 and M4) without some major technical changes. Again, I wouldn't rush to say that Genesis will never work properly in Poser, but it can't hurt for Poser users to have other figures to fall back on.

The upcoming MAIN figure will be the MAIN figure.
And Genesis was only a temporary technology demonstrator.
Nothing more, nothing less.
Or?
They put a toe in the water, to feel if it would be warm or cold??
ha-ha- and got a freezing shower in return... ha-ha-ha-<<

LOL, ohhhkay there buddy.  :)  I think it's already been mentioned about a thousand times on every forum out there, but the reason why Genesis doesn't have much support now is because DAZ released it with Studio 4 and before the PAs had the chance to really master the content creation tools and begin working on things for it. Yes, I agree that was a mistake because it's obviously given some the impression that no one is supporting the figure. Genesis content is definitely coming, the only question is whether it's real soon or "DAZ soon".   ;)

SnowS