I have both 32 and 64 set up. When I go into 32 my content is loaded on the right. When I open 64 it has a large white box on the right that says Alternate HTML content should be placed here. This content requires the Adobe Flash Player Get Flash. Have never seen this before and have owned every poser since 1. I already update flash so what is going on? Thanks

You need to actually read the READ ME text file that comes with the installer because it tells you that if you're using the 64-bit Flash library (rather than the Air library) you need to download and install a beta version of the 64-bit Flash player from Adobe, and it tells you how to get it.

why can't poser make a library without adobe products? 

it's so aggravating the joy of PP is draining away.

i been clicking around adobe all morning trying to find a full d/l version for my non-internet poser computer

Here's a copy and paste from the ReadMe:

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Adobe AIR and 64-Bit Adobe Flash

Poser Pro 2012’s Embedded Content Library requires that Adobe’s Flash Player is installed on your system, version 9 or later is supported. Poser Pro’s External Content Library requires that Adobe AIR is installed on your system. The Poser Pro 2012 DVD includes both an installer for Flash Player 10 and AIR. If not on your system, the Poser installer will run the AIR installer as required (Windows only). If Flash Player is not installed, the Embedded Library will prompt for its installation.

Flash Player is required for the Embedded Library to run. AIR is required only for the External Library to run. Running the Embedded Library in the 64-Bit Windows version of Poser requires a 64-Bit Flash Player. As of this release, 64-Bit Flash 11 is in public beta, so AIR is required and only the External Library is available. However, if 64-Bit users want to use the Embedded Library, they can choose download and install the most current 64-Bit version of Flash from this link: http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer11.html

 

The link takes you straight to where you need to be, it is not complicated.

Ohhh, i doan need to d/l from Adobe?

Thanks.  I'm expecting my PP12 to come tomorrow.  I don't have internet at home and didn't want to be stuck looking at the box cuz i didn't have the latest Flash player.

what is External Library? is that for if you have a render farm?

The 64 bit version library is a separate program entity from the 34 bit which can be docked or floated.  64 bit just has a floating window.

Lara,

if you're on a 64-bit system, choose the Air (External) library rather than the Flash (Embedded) library when you install.

It's a lot less hassle than messing about with the 64-bit Flash beta and - especially if you have 2 monitors - is more flexible.

no 64-bit yet. 

i render for print, it's a lot of pixels to fill a 7x10 page.  I'm spec-ing out my options and budget, would really like to start a frame work for a mini render farm.  wishful thinking.

Not really. If you have a geek, just start shopping for deals on hardware (pricewatch.com is a good start. If there are any in the area, computer shows are another.). You find a set of deals, you grab and store in the box until you have the parts you need. Render node specs do -not- have to match your main system specs. All you need is OS, maybe a video driver, and the remote render software. All the hardware you need is motherboard (with onboard video), CPU, hard drive, power supply (350 to 450 watts), and case. You can also toss in a super cheapo DVD player to load with, altough if you want you can also transfer installation software from a DVD to a large enough flash drive and install from USB.

Forget the audio; turn it off in the BIOS and don't install the drivers. You can do an SSD if you want, as you can get a 500gig HDD for $50 or less (with a 3 year warranty), that would be for geek points. Don't waste your money getting a brand name; build them yourself and you will get out a lot cheaper. You will also be using industry standard parts, so getting replacements will be simple (Keep a few of the CMOS batteries on hand; most motherboards use the 2032 buttons available just about everywhere, and a cheapy video card or two (and by cheap I mean $20) on hand; motherboard video tends to die at odd times, and having a solution to plug in and go saves time).

All you need to control that is a 4 port KVM switch for whatever mouse, monitor, and keyboard you use.  OH, and a 5 port gigabit switch. The vast majority of motherboards with onboard ethernet are gigabit now, and it is worth the cost of the cat 6 cables (about double what cat 5e costs) to get the extra speed.

 

attached is my first rendergarden, built just that way (only the ethernet was 10/100), old CRT on top, built on one of those $30 printer stands.  The first upgrade there was putting a swing arm on the left side, and mounting a 17" LCD. Stay at least a generation back, and you can get incredible deals as warehouses make room for the new stuff......

kewl.  i have the 4 port KVM handy.  2 P4's in the closet. plus an Acer netbook.  and my main Dell AMD.

to fill a 100 page book a month, thaz something like 3.# renders per day.

i thought about buying a couple more Acer netbooks, but i'm afraid the capacitors etc would melt under the render heat.  also, haven't checked if the netbooks come in 64-bit.

Netbooks don't have the horses, and they certainly don't have the heat dissipation capability! Sounds like what you have can get you started....although you'll find real quick that really old hardware is in some cases too slow. Well....

 

This is the 3rd iteration of the rendergarden. Except that the netgear 24 port 10/100 switch has been replaced by a green gigabit 16 port smart switch. The original boxes above ran an original Slot A Athlon, and the rest were Athlon IIs. The current boxes in the rack run Athlon 64-'X2s. All have 4 gigs ram. A couple of them also have a RAID 0 HDD array (experimenting. It does speed up the slowest part, namely hard drive access time, but you have =zero= error tolerance. Lose a drive, and you have to reinstall everything). When the new chip cycle starts, I plan on upping the current rack boxes to AM3+ motherboards (meaning they could run the upcoming Bulldozer octal core processors), but getting the best deal on the strongest quad core chips I find. I built the rack so that I could just swap out the guts and not have to worry about a lot of cables and case issues. The rack kits can be had at a reasonable cost; the cases are a bit costly, but they will mount -anything-....and as the vast majority of them are steel, you don't have to worry about them getting dented by anything short of a sledgehammer.

 

Plus is you get a slightly clued person asking, you get to watch their eyes bulge when you tell them its your renderfarm...... :P 

and the coup de grace would be able to access it from the day job, to set up scenes for the render Q

Quote - This is the 3rd iteration of the rendergarden. Except that the netgear 24 port 10/100 switch has been replaced by a green gigabit 16 port smart switch. The original boxes above ran an original Slot A Athlon, and the rest were Athlon IIs. The current boxes in the rack run Athlon 64-'X2s. All have 4 gigs ram. A couple of them also have a RAID 0 HDD array (experimenting. It does speed up the slowest part, namely hard drive access time, but you have =zero= error tolerance. Lose a drive, and you have to reinstall everything).
Plus is you get a slightly clued person asking, you get to watch their eyes bulge when you tell them its your renderfarm...... :P 

And what exactly is it that you do? Are CG graphics a hobby or a career?

There is some serious rendering going on in here! So best to use air for 64 bit? And thanks for the help.

Installed and working ty for the info.

I'm looking to get the best bang for my buck with a rendergarden. At the moment, the sweet spot looks like a core i5. (based on Cinebench) From the reviews, Bulldozer does not seem to have come up to expectations. Or am  I missing something ?

Quote - > Quote - This is the 3rd iteration of the rendergarden. Except that the netgear 24 port 10/100 switch has been replaced by a green gigabit 16 port smart switch. The original boxes above ran an original Slot A Athlon, and the rest were Athlon IIs. The current boxes in the rack run Athlon 64-'X2s. All have 4 gigs ram. A couple of them also have a RAID 0 HDD array (experimenting. It does speed up the slowest part, namely hard drive access time, but you have =zero= error tolerance. Lose a drive, and you have to reinstall everything).

Plus is you get a slightly clued person asking, you get to watch their eyes bulge when you tell them its your renderfarm...... :P 

And what exactly is it that you do? Are CG graphics a hobby or a career?

 

At the moment they are more hobby and learning experience than career....but that can change. I do animation, and am working on several scripts for short stories, or a multi chapter tale like Tim Vining's Aurora. Poser is my stable of B list actors (which saves an incredible amount of time vis-a-vis modeling, leaving said time to be consumed by keyframing, audio work, editing, post, special effects, foley, etc etc etc....). When I hit retirement, this -will- be a full time function, and hopefully I'll have enough good footage to assemble a demo reel.

Quote - and the coup de grace would be able to access it from the day job, to set up scenes for the render Q

 

Which you could do, if you had a computer that had the firewall permissions. Set up the  wake on LAN feature if the motherboard supports it, and you can configure your render nodes to wake up when they receive the magic number, render and save, then go back to sleep. I work at a grocery store, so I don't have that luxury, but the same system is why the rack is downstairs now, not in my office..... 8D

 

One thing you have to keep in mind is heat. That rack goes into the closet behind it, and there is an oversized fan in the ceiling to vent the hot air from the ceiling outside. One of the reasons you want to keep your hardware as minimal as possible. Less stuff = less heat. And you don't want power supplies to be too small; the harder they work, the hotter they get. A good rule of thumb is to have a supply that outputs about  a third more wattage than you get by adding up what all the big parts draw. 

Quote - I'm looking to get the best bang for my buck with a rendergarden. At the moment, the sweet spot looks like a core i5. (based on Cinebench) From the reviews, Bulldozer does not seem to have come up to expectations. Or am  I missing something ?

 

There are lots of sweet spots. I tend to stay about a generation behind the cutting edge; I got the newest garden's X2's when the X4's came out, and the price went way south. I'm only planning to get motherboards that can -use- the dozer; if past trends hold, what will go in them is Phenom II X4's that are being discontinued (and hence are likely to be bloody cheap). I just prefer the AMD chip.

 

Intel does have better performance, mostly due to intel specific optimizations that are done in a lot of apps, but you also pay a somewhat steeper price.

I settled with just an AMD Phenom II X6 with 8gb of RAM.. It works. :)

 

edit:  .... just never mind the bowl of spaghetti that is the mass of wires down there. I'm workin' on it.

Quote - Netbooks don't have the horses, and they certainly don't have the heat dissipation capability! Sounds like what you have can get you started....although you'll find real quick that really old hardware is in some cases too slow. Well....

 

This is the 3rd iteration of the rendergarden. Except that the netgear 24 port 10/100 switch has been replaced by a green gigabit 16 port smart switch. The original boxes above ran an original Slot A Athlon, and the rest were Athlon IIs. The current boxes in the rack run Athlon 64-'X2s. All have 4 gigs ram. A couple of them also have a RAID 0 HDD array (experimenting. It does speed up the slowest part, namely hard drive access time, but you have =zero= error tolerance. Lose a drive, and you have to reinstall everything). When the new chip cycle starts, I plan on upping the current rack boxes to AM3+ motherboards (meaning they could run the upcoming Bulldozer octal core processors), but getting the best deal on the strongest quad core chips I find. I built the rack so that I could just swap out the guts and not have to worry about a lot of cables and case issues. The rack kits can be had at a reasonable cost; the cases are a bit costly, but they will mount -anything-....and as the vast majority of them are steel, you don't have to worry about them getting dented by anything short of a sledgehammer.

 

Plus is you get a slightly clued person asking, you get to watch their eyes bulge when you tell them its your renderfarm...... :P 

 

:o if you keep adding stuff to that thing, one day it will decide your future in less than one microsecond :p

You can't see it, but the power strip is on top.....so one can get to the switch easily, the power cable is very visible, and the outlet it goes to in the closet is fed by a separate circuit that used to power a water pump (when the house was built, the water pressure wasn't quite up to snuff; since things have built up in the area, that changed and the pump went bye bye after it froze up), so there is a seperate breaker in the garage.

 

I grew up on movies like 'Colossus: The Forbin Project' . Never ever have computers you can't pull the bloody power cord on.....

Quote - I settled with just an AMD Phenom II X6 with 8gb of RAM.. It works. :)

 

edit:  .... just never mind the bowl of spaghetti that is the mass of wires down there. I'm workin' on it.

 

Oi, that is pale, compared. Most of mine, though, is cunningly hidden behind my main system tower and in the space behind a filing cabinet. Nice setup, though. And yeah, the X6 does work well doesn't it? I don't have the dual monitor setup (yet). And when I do, it will only be for the CG box's use (ever priced out a multiple monitor DVI KVM switch? Yeeowtch!) Once I get the office space squared away, I'll have to get a picture of the current creative den of iniquity. 

Any interest in setting up some kind of standard benchmarking for Poser, Vue, Blender etc? I don't want to start a farm war, but I'm really interested in the relative performance of individual cows, processor, effect of the amount of memory, bios tweaks,mobo choice etc. 

Remind me not to open this thread with my husband nearby.  He'll ask me why HE can't have a setup like DaleB's, LOL

Great thread, Dale B. et al !

Most interesting to read..and exciting as well.

Quote - Remind me not to open this thread with my husband nearby.  He'll ask me why HE can't have a setup like DaleB's, LOL

 

Awww, why not? 

It =would= make a nice Christmas present........sort of an erector set and uber build your own computer kit in one.....  :P

 

You could always point to the date on the original rendergarden's pic; I -started-  swapping out the desktop cases for 4u rackmount cases late that year (go with 3u; you can get standard PC components, including processor heatsink, in one with no problems, and 5 of them will go in the space that four 4u cases will, with 1 u to spare). I only got the rack very late year before last. I wasn't planning a rack, the rackmounts were just so much easier to get into than a desktop case. And the place I got all but the rackframe from has gone offline.....

anyway, that has been a multi year project, which is the only way I could ever afford it. 

I know.  Half of our storage space is taken up by gear that's for a "future server".  Why?  Because, apparently, having a server is like having a Mustang, but for gear geeks :lol:  Luckily for him, between the gear he was given working for Quicken and HP, it hasn't cost us a lot (basically, they were going to throw stuff away, and he asked if he could have it instead, and, they said yes, lol).  Once we get a house, he can build his server.  Until then, it's just salivating, LOL.

Heh.

Yeah, my dad had his 59 Ford Fairlane Galaxy hardtop convertible; I've got my rack. Not that I wouldn't kill to get that Fairlane, you understand. V8, Holley 4 barrel downdraft carb, solid steel body next best thing to a tank, enough room for adult intercourse front and back bench seats, and that hardtop.....Unfortunately, you have to be a gearhead to even think about tinkering with any car younger than classis nowadays.....and at least you don't have to spend 45 minutes in the shower with Gunk and gasoline to get the grease off...... 

 

So far, a server isn't in the works.....at least yet. But that is an excellent way to amass the basics. One experiment I still have to do is take the top box in the rack, add a drive as the bootdrive is a non partionable RAID 0, do a linux install, add WINE, and see how the various remote renderers that are native Windows do. As it stands, I have 8 multi core systems for render functions scattered about the house (one of the many reasons I'm in the midst of wiring the house for gigabit; it does make a difference). If he wants to wire up the future dwelling, tell him to make sure that you don't get a house on a slab. I'm replacing the contractors carpet with laminate, and at least downstairs having to run cat 6 along the wall, in the channel under the sheetrock and trim, between the flooring and wall. Not fun. Of course all of downstairs will be plugged into the rack switch, with a dedicated line upstairs to where the cable modem and office is (and when the connection to the cable modem finally fails, it will be relocated into the closet with the rack, along with the router and battery backup). I don't know if we'll ever turn this into a true smart house, but the backbone at least will be there.....

Okay, I took the plunge. I am buying 4 Athlon core 64 X2 machines for €125 (about $180) each. As my current set up is a single core 1.3 GHz 32 bit Athlon, this will be a big step up. First step on the ladder!!

Quote - Okay, I took the plunge. I am buying 4 Athlon core 64 X2 machines for €125 (about $180) each. As my current set up is a single core 1.3 GHz 32 bit Athlon, this will be a big step up. First step on the ladder!!

 

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