Welcome to another edition of my Tutsin comix tutorials.

This time we look at a method that can be used to size or scale
a prop object so that it fits into the Poser studio and looks correct.

HEY !!! - This method can be used with ALL verisions of Poser.
(Do you know why?) :blink:

Stay tuned right here for some more fun with the Doc. :biggrin:

cheers,
dr geep
;=]

Coolness, i'm here.

HAY dun't fergit about mois ha ha

Ah'm gunna help da Doc wif dis won.

Hey, this didn't show up at pre-registration!  But I'm with it.

Looking forward to this. Always willing to learn more. Thanks in advance.

Oh yes, necessary topic. I am all ears.

Attached Link: "Poser's Display Units" - a pictorial by Dr Geep

Here's a link to an older tut on the same subject FYI if you're interested.

We will make it from Poser's "Box" prop and cut it up using the Grouping Tool.

Ready? ... :biggrin:

You can delete box_2 now because we don't need it.  We only used it to check box_1.

SURVEY SAYS ..............

We are in the process of making a "universal" measuring prop for use in all versions of Poser.  But Doc would like some help ... :blink:___ HUH?

Please help with this tutorial by providing some basic sizes used in the real world.

1. Specify where you live? (geographic area, e.g., USA, Europe, Asia, etc.)

2. What is the standard height of the ceiling in a house, office, other?

3. What is the standard height of a doorway in a normal house?

4. What is the height of a desk top from the floor?

5. What is the height of the seat of a desk chair from the floor?

6. Any other standard size you can think of to include in this tut.
   (Note - you will be credited in this tut for your contributions - if you want)

Thanks, in advance, for any contributions you would like to make.

cheers,
dr geep
;=]

Quote - SURVEY SAYS ..............

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We are in the process of making a "universal" measuring prop for use in all versions of Poser.  But Doc would like some help ... :blink:___ HUH?

Please help with this tutorial by providing some basic sizes used in the real world.

1. Specify where you live? (geographic area, e.g., USA, Europe, Asia, etc.)

USA

1. What is the standard height of the ceiling in a house, office, other?

8 feet in USA

1. What is the standard height of a doorway in a normal house?

6-8 in track houses, 7-0 typical in custom homes and up to 8 feet in offices

1. What is the height of a desk top from the floor?

between 28 and 30 inches

1. What is the height of the seat of a desk chair from the floor?

most office chairs are adjustable (only mentioned because you asked about desks in 4 not tables), 18 to 20 inches is standard dining room chair

1. Any other standard size you can think of to include in this tut.
   (Note - you will be credited in this tut for your contributions - if you want)

*Door width standard is 36 for entry and 24 to 32 inches for interior

Thanks, in advance, for any contributions you would like to make.

cheers,
dr geep
;=]

1. UK

2. Old houses 9' to 12'  New houses anything from 8' to 9'

3. Older property 6'6" New stuff 2 metres.

4. No idea

5. A fixed chair is approx 18 inches.

6. Older property has all doors at 2'6", New stuff at 3' (or their metric equivalents).

Note:  We are nominally a metric standard country but we didn't change until 1971 and even then the changes weren't fully implemented.  Most of us think in feet and inches.  In that sense I'm comfortable with either but my wife uses metric measurements exclusively. since she's considerably younger.

We still use miles, rather than kilometres, too.  And we also use pints for the sale of beer and milk.  BTW, a UK pint is considerably bigger than a US pint. 

Addendum:

I know a really quick and simple way to convert to Poser scale from Wings, if you are using one Wings unit to equal one inch.  Reduce the scale in Poser to 1.115%.

Simples. 

Quote - 6. Any other standard size you can think of to include in this tut.
(Note - you will be credited in this tut for your contributions - if you want)

How about mattress sizes? Being a simple shape I'd think they'd be easy to measure against a standard prop. ( I'm in the USA)

Twin - 39 x75 inches

Full- 54 x74 inches

Queen- 60 x 80 inches

King 76 x 80 inches

 Depths can be variable.  Some are 9-10 inches deep, while pillow tops can be 15-16 inches deep.

Thanks for all you do Doc.  I've learned a lot at good ol' PU over the years!

Here, we make a "10polys" object using 2 objects.

We need to "combine" the "8polys" and the "2polys"  ... Next ...

FYI - If you use Wings3d, this is the same as Wings' "combine" on the menu.

Editing the 10polys object ... Next ...

I've added this to my favorites -- thanks for all the time and effort into this.  My recent disappointment with "The Big Office" will at least ensure I won't make the same mistake in my models that I'm working on.

Thanks for all the wonderful info and time you put into it!

Thanks Ragtop,

I hope this tut (when complete) can be used by model makers out there in Poseria so they can avoid making their beautiful models with built-in potential scaling problems.

Size, i.e., scale, in Poser has always been a somewhat contentious issue.  I hope that a standard may be established here and used to reduce the friction that this issue seems to create.

cheers,
dr geep
;=]

Yup ... brandy new. :lol:

Why?  Is this a subject for, well, um, er, uh ......... well, some discussion? :blink:

Thanks Doc . The scalling has been an big issue. Have an item I purchased ages ago where the interior door is high enough but the area above it to the ceiling is way off to depict the inside of a house. Plus the opening is so narrow it looks odd if you place a character like V4 anywhere near the doorway.  Which is why I sent a PM to Mr. NaySayGuy for tips on the measurements I posted above. He is a genius! :thumbupboth:

Speaking of friction: Anybody know if BB has a shader to use to render two items rubbing together or to depict friction? :ohmy:

Again thanks Doc for explaining things so even a simpleton like me can figure it out.

Welcome.

Soon ... Let's make it into a 3D object so it will be more useful ...

How to "clean-up" an object with unwanted groups and materials?

Simple ... just make sure the groups are deleted using the Group Editor and then ...
... Export it and then Import it back into Poser ... Walla!!!

The unwanted (unused) gone!

REMEMBER -
UNCHECK the "Percent of figure size ..." so Poser doesn't change the size.

Next ... ?

Next ... more combining ...

... We're ready to make a universal measuring prop that
we can use to make sure the size of our props is correct for Poser.

Next ... Building a universal measuring stick (prop).

I would like to add my 0.02 Euros (almost 0.03$ :lol:) to the discussion. As I am toying with the idea of creating props for Poser I searched for references and I found three relevant sources:
1 - Morphography tutorial page (with an extensive database of models heights in OBJ units);
2 - the 1988 U.S. Army Anthropometry survey (ANSUR) Final report which you can download from the URL given at this page;
3 - bagginsbill posts about shaders scales.

In the ANSUR publication (the relevant part starts at page 270, page 283 of the PDF), we see that the 50th-percentile of the male heights is 176 cm and the 99th-percentile is 191 cm. Considering that the report dates back to 1988, an average US anglosaxon male height of ~180 cm is reasonable taking into account the average height increase with time and above-the-average fitness for the Poser figures; the 180 cm measure fits also well that vague nearly-6-feet (183 cm) size reference in the Poser 4 manual.

P4 Male is 0.752517 PNU tall and this gives us ~239 cm/PNU (~94 inches/PNU) which is very near the well-known 96 inch/PNU scale; if we try the 103.2 inch/PNU scale P4 height becomes 77.7" (197 cm) which is outside any average unless you consider basket players.

The source of the problem is clear when you notice that the P4 male is one of the tallest meshes availble for Poser (check the table in the Morphography reference); as reported in that page, if we posit that the "average male" the manual writes about is not P4 male but a mythical figure 0.6975 PNU tall (never actually released), everything falls nicely in place with the 103.2 inch scale.

So now we can...
1 - ...model props using the "right scale" (103.2 in/PNU), having then to deal with a population of giants or...
2 - ...we can assume other scales in order to make props look right when compared to figures (and in this case probably the 96 inch/PNU is the most sensible one) or...
3 - ...considering that we are not creating items for actual fabrication and use by real human beings but just going for the looks right effect, select the figure you want to use as reference, pose it appropriately and export the resulting OBJ to use as reference size in your modeling application.

I think that the third option is the simplest (and least contentious) one.

P.S.: if we want people to use actual dimensions in Poser UI (like what is done in P.I.C.K.), we have no alternative but to go for the 103.2 inch/PNU scale which appears to be hardwired in Poser UI.

Thanks alex ... some good info there.

Here's a friendly FYI from Dr Geep's achives.

Use it in good health.

What's next ? ... Hmmm ... Can you guess ? :blink:

bookmark

FYI -

Note - After the origin is adjusted ... it is a good idea to re-save the prop in the Library.
(suggest you UNcheck the Display origin before re-saving)

..... YES !

Now let's make our "Inches Prop" ... Next ...

Now ... 12 inches equals a what? ... Next ... :blink: ___ HUH?

On to the Metric stuff ... Next ...

• "Millimeters Prop"

• "Centimeters Prop"

• "Meters Prop"

Why is the "_______meters Prop" missing ???

And, why didn't we make the "Meters Prop" 100 Meters high?

Next ... Can you guess ??? :blink:

Quote - Next ... Can you guess ??? :blink:

Since nobody has made an attempt, I will take a guess. Next is Page 18? :huh:

Aw, you peeked... :lol:

Happy Turkey Day Doc. My portable Hard drive took a major dump and I lost so much stuff I can't run Poser (original data is at home). I can't wait to try those sensativity setting tricks you explained. Brilliant idea.