Quote - FYI, DAZ just added a Poser discussion forum.

To what purpose? to disparage Poser there is already Renderosity Poser forum.

Quote - Is there anything still unanswered we could put to Randall?

I don't think the problem with exporting conformers has been addressed yet, whatever else.

Quote - > Quote - FYI, DAZ just added a Poser discussion forum.

To what purpose? to disparage Poser there is already Renderosity Poser forum.

 

Our plan is to trap unsuspecting Poser users and poke at them with a stick but please don't tell anyone ;) Seriously though, we have heard several requests from the community to do it so we thought it would be a good thing to do.

Quote - Our plan is to trap unsuspecting Poser users and poke at them with a stick but please don't tell anyone ;) ...

why create a forum for that, when its done in every thread?  HAHAHA!!

 

Im so ebil.

Quote - why create a forum for that, when its done in every thread?  HAHAHA!!

 

Im so ebil.

I was thinking that too. I hope you guys are prepared for it to get ugly by one side or the other..lol.

Laurie

Im switzerland. Im not taking sides, as I like both apps. But also coz I quit pulling hair when I was 6 :giggles:

Only if the DS people will let Poser newbs ask questions in that forum without having to point out that the answer to all their questions is DS!

Quote - Okay, I know this has been brought up before, but...

Rand, one thing that really bugged me in DS3A was not only the lack of documentation, but also the fact that it was a WIKI.
That's no way to do documentation, sorry.
I want help files. Searchable, well written, help files I can access from within the application. Or at the very least a PDF manual.
Without them your users are simply stuffed if their connection drops, or they are on dialup, or need to work offline for other reasons.
Many here have (3D work) machines that are not connected to the net. Others work for companies who will block access to many sites they don't deem work related. (FWIW -- mine blocks Daz3D, Rendo, RDNA and a few others.)
Online documentation is not a good thing, and a wiki is too easily messed up if you're not careful.

So... no to a documentation wiki.

Its only built with Wiki tools. Its not a free-to-post-and-edit kind of thing. The only people who will be able to post anything in it are our people. There will be an option to print it out as well.

Another that was brought up, more generally, is the ever-present dissatisfaction with promo shots.
Something needs to be done about this.
A hair figure needs shots from the front, both sides, and the back. It needs to have enough space at the top not to cut off the crown of the head so you can see the whole figure. Hair promos are my biggest source of frustration on the Daz site.
I don't care about "Artistic renders" showing every morph the hair can do -- if it lacks the basics, I won't buy it. I got burned too many times.
Many, many hair product shots are severely lacking in actual informational detail. You have 29 shimmering colors? Cool. I don't need to have an individual render for every single one -- all from the same angle. If you don't show me what the un-posed, default hair looks like from the front, back and both sides, then I'm not going there.
The crown-cut-off is just as bad. I've seen hairs where it was so "artistically" rendered/cut, it hid the wisp of hair sticking out on top. To me, that is on par with misleading the customer. No sale -- or often a return.

Clothing often falls foul of the same "artistic" hide-and-seek tactics. And then there is that M4 hipshot pose. Can we get rid of that horrible pose, please? Every other product that shows up uses that godawful pose to show off clothing "in it's best light". Newsflash -- I'd say 90% of your customer base loathe that pose and are turned off by it.
Maybe create a set of "PA/Promo Shot" poses that are mandatory to use as default "Front/Back/Sides" shots, and make them as natural as you can? If the creator wants to be "artistic", fine. But the default "Show off" images could be a bit more streamlined.

Shoes. If there are shoes with a clothing item, they need to be shown, not the feet cut off to show how nice the shirt is. You have no idea how annoying that is. I don't want to have to go into the forum to ask for someone to post a render of something. When I have to do that, it means you just lost an impulse buy.

The popup promo window...often loses the scrollbar once you click on the first image in the list. Annoying as hell. I have a big screen, but I was recently wrestling with a Stonemason preview that extended way down the bottom and I could not get to the bottom image without relaunching the promo preview popup. (Happens on IE and Firefox, as well as Chrome.)

Those are my promo pet peeves. The other is that I have to guess which items are used in a promo shot, if it isn't a Daz product. It wouldn't hurt to list what it is, even if you don't have a link there because it is not one of your items. At least we would stand a chance of finding it by searching. Let's face it, we only go in the forum and ask either people there, or the PA direct, and they'll tell us. It's not like it's a state secret. (Just look at the amount of "Which hair is this?" threads.)
It could be made a lot clearer what has been used, and I'm sure many people would really appreciate the effort.

But yeah...promos are an eternal bugbear with me. :) (And many others.)

 

Ive passed this feedback on to the head of Marketing and the Art Director.

Quote - > Quote - I experimented with a fairly simple little item-- a sort of short tank top-- and I was quite blown away at how well it worked.  It even fit the Troll.  Granted, it looked a little weird on the Troll, but the point is that it FIT-- with no need to need to put any morphs in it at all.

Simple crap like tank tops and bike shorts are not the issue, it's the highly detailed models (i.e., the things people BUY).  However in nearly all the promo pics on the DAZ store for V5-ish conformers, even on simple models, I see some fairly significant fitting problems.

 

We did have an issue with the basicwear fit that has since been corrected.  In general, the morph following has been a pretty fun and awesome new technology... but it is new and has some wrinkles yet.  We are slowly ironing them out.  Content created specifically for a shape should look good and work really well on that shape.... and only a little bit less good on other shapes.

**DAZ_Rand **I wonder if there are many people like me who are making a story with a certain character and would use both DS and Poser for renders in different situations if the same characters could work well in either program.

I felt since genesis and V5 and my brief trial of V5 in poser, that it is better for the moment for me to stick exclusively to poser.  

Love esther

Quote - Err, you two really are not understanding the problem, but again it doesn't really matter since DAZ is committed to the neuter base anyhow.

 

Its easy to get stuck in thinking of Genesis as that genderless gray golem (spiffy aliteration eh?) But in reality, that is what was at the core of both the Gen 3 and Gen 4 lines.... we just never let you see it.

You never even have to look at the Neuter base if you dont want to. You do not have to design on it and we never expected ANYONE to use it for their rendering and art. It was solely exposed and used as a centerpiece as an invitation to come and change it... If it was sexy and textured all by itself, many would never change it. We WANT you to change Genesis.. that is the "BIG DEAL" with it.

 

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - This has been a feature of Poser for a while now. It was certainly a feature of Poser 2010 and Poser 8. I can't remember if it was in Poser 7 or not now.

Yeah, probably.... I didn't open PP2010 to check it for certain. I only found out about it recently, actually

Maybe we could do with a similar thread in the Daz forums to clear up misinformation about Poser.

 

You guys are the first to hear it...

We are opening a Poser-Specific area of our forums... kind of like they have here.  So go to Kirklands or Hobby Lobby and get some attractive decorative knick knack and some pillows... maybe a plant or two to.  It will have that "New Forum Smell"

{{{EDIT}}}

I posted this before I saw someone beat me to it... CURSE YOU KEVIN! :D

Quote - Its easy to get stuck in thinking of Genesis as that genderless gray golem (spiffy aliteration eh?) But in reality, that is what was at the core of both the Gen 3 and Gen 4 lines.... we just never let you see it.You never even have to look at the Neuter base if you dont want to. You do not have to design on it and we never expected ANYONE to use it for their rendering and art. It was solely exposed and used as a centerpiece as an invitation to come and change it... If it was sexy and textured all by itself, many would never change it. We WANT you to change Genesis.. that is the "BIG DEAL" with it.

You don't get it either.  The issue is nothing to do with "oh gosh the base morph looks weird", it's strictly the technical difficulty and extra work required to do conformers for such a drastically difference base morph as opposed to the target morph fits.  I don't give a crap what the base morph looks like, it's just mesh.  I do care how much labor it takes to make a conformer.

e: I also care a lot about the quality of results.

If Auto-Fit is greatly improved, then really you guys should be DEMONSTRATING THIS, especially in your promo pics but really everywhere possible.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - > Quote - This has been a feature of Poser for a while now. It was certainly a feature of Poser 2010 and Poser 8. I can't remember if it was in Poser 7 or not now.

Yeah, probably.... I didn't open PP2010 to check it for certain. I only found out about it recently, actually

Maybe we could do with a similar thread in the Daz forums to clear up misinformation about Poser.

 

You guys are the first to hear it...

We are opening a Poser-Specific area of our forums... kind of like they have here.  So go to Kirklands or Hobby Lobby and get some attractive decorative knick knack and some pillows... maybe a plant or two to.  It will have that "New Forum Smell"

{{{EDIT}}}

I posted this before I saw someone beat me to it... CURSE YOU KEVIN! :D

Well, bless my soul! When I said "thread" I didn't mean a whole forum but it's good to see Daz trying to make an effort. :m_smile: I just hope there are enough Poser users left to make it worthwhile.

 

Dang I kinda sidetracked myself: How Auto-Fit behaves really doesn't matter anyway, unless you're planning on exporting the fit morphs along with exported clothing CR2s eventually; and it has nothing at all to do with someone trying to create content for Genesis in Poser, without using D|S and Auto-Fit.

Quote - I just hope there are enough Poser users left to make it worthwhile.  

I would guess there are a goodly number of us still walking, and in reality, not really caring much about the Genesis/V5 or whatever.  Just the tone of "Obsoletes all older models" that seems to be the predominant opinion coming from the fans of said characters can be very irritating.  It obsoletes nothing except any need for itself.  Maybe someday it will be vialble and desirable, but in this stage, it is about the same as trying to get good results from the P4 people.  It can be done, but Jessie is easier to work with.

Quote - Dang I kinda sidetracked myself: How Auto-Fit behaves really doesn't matter anyway, unless you're planning on exporting the fit morphs along with exported clothing CR2s eventually; and it has nothing at all to do with someone trying to create content for Genesis in Poser, without using D|S and Auto-Fit.

 

any clothes fit to Genesis in the current exporter will follow the morphs in Poser just fine.

just before you export you have to dial each one that you want to be in the export on then off so it loads.

That is a workaround that we will be fixing as it progresses

Then what exactly is the current issue with getting conformers exported?

Quote - > Quote - I just hope there are enough Poser users left to make it worthwhile.  

I would guess there are a goodly number of us still walking, and in reality, not really caring much about the Genesis/V5 or whatever.  Just the tone of "Obsoletes all older models" that seems to be the predominant opinion coming from the fans of said characters can be very irritating.  It obsoletes nothing except any need for itself.  Maybe someday it will be vialble and desirable, but in this stage, it is about the same as trying to get good results from the P4 people.  It can be done, but Jessie is easier to work with.

Oh absolutely! I did not mean to imply there were not many poser users in the world. I am one for a start! LOL I meant on the Daz website as many appear to have been turned away in one way or another. Personally I am finding Antonia great fun! :)

Attached Link: http://www.kwiksurveys.com?s=OMEKIO_f872e781

Hi there again,

The survey is going OK and a fair number of people have taken it but the more the merrier.

While I can't give any results yet, some trends are starting to show.

If you haven't taken it yet please click the above link.

Thanks again.

Quote - > Quote - Is there anything still unanswered we could put to Randall?

I don't think the problem with exporting conformers has been addressed yet, whatever else.

 

UV Set inconsistencies have yet to be ironed out.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Is there anything still unanswered we could put to Randall?

I don't think the problem with exporting conformers has been addressed yet, whatever else.

 

UV Set inconsistencies have yet to be ironed out.

And the fitting/conforming does not work very good with morphs

 

Quote - And the fitting/conforming does not work very good with morphs

I thought that had been answered quite a lot, although the answer wasn't "DS will now do all the work in that area" :(

 

Surely fitting/conforming works as well as it ever did for morphs that the conformer's designer has professionally made, and far far better than it ever did before (if still extremely imperfectly) for morphs that the designer did not include? Or am I missing soemthing still?

Quote - > Quote - And the fitting/conforming does not work very good with morphs

I thought that had been answered quite a lot, although the answer wasn't "DS will now do all the work in that area" :(

 

Surely fitting/conforming works as well as it ever did for morphs that the conformer's designer has professionally made, and far far better than it ever did before (if still extremely imperfectly) for morphs that the designer did not include? Or am I missing soemthing still?

The previous exporter did not work at all with clothing - as soon as you conformed, the clothing would explode.

The latest version of the exporter conforms fine in base genesus mode, but if you add a morph (and export it with the clothing), the conforming works, but there are areas around the waist, breasts and neck/shoulders which do not fit properly when the morph is applied. This is with the silky dress which was in the Pro bundle. And this is in the zero pose

 

 

Quote - The previous exporter did not work at all with clothing - as soon as you conformed, the clothing would explode.

Yeah...but that was the previous exporter. It's been made obsolete by a newer version ;)

Quote - The latest version of the exporter conforms fine in base genesus mode, but if you add a morph (and export it with the clothing), the conforming works, but there are areas around the waist, breasts and neck/shoulders which do not fit properly when the morph is applied. This is with the silky dress which was in the Pro bundle. And this is in the zero pose

See, I'm a bit of a dunderhead. I have difficulty following so many issues and remembering the depth of detail for each person's issues. I'm sure DAZ coukld benefit froms creen grabs and button-for-button descriptions, but to me the above - Pokethrough in Poser areound specific areas with a specific item - makes it much MUCH clearer what the issue is. I can picture it - or soemthing very like it - in my head.

 

I assume it fits fine in DAZ Studio (sorry, I don't have much clothing for Genesis. Actually, I'm not sur eI have any clothing for Genesis. The figure is still pretty much a technical curiosity for me rather than something I'm likely to base an image off of - and I laready have a bunch of clothing for Victoria going back to version 1. An item of clothing is going to have to be spectacular, or extraordinarily cheap, or both to attract my wallet out of it's hiding place).

 

Where was I? See - losing track again. Thanks for providing the extra info. I must admit that I assumed Randy's reply:

Quote - any clothes fit to Genesis in the current exporter will follow the morphs in Poser just fine.

 

was reasonably accurate. I hope he can take the additional info, try silky with a few morphs, and find what's going on.

> Quote - > Quote - The previous exporter did not work at all with clothing - as soon as you conformed, the clothing would explode. > > Yeah...but that was the previous exporter. It's been made obsolete by a newer version ;) > > > Quote - The latest version of the exporter conforms fine in base genesus mode, but if you add a morph (and export it with the clothing), the conforming works, but there are areas around the waist, breasts and neck/shoulders which do not fit properly when the morph is applied. This is with the silky dress which was in the Pro bundle. And this is in the zero pose > > See, I'm a bit of a dunderhead. I have difficulty following so many issues and remembering the depth of detail for each person's issues. I'm sure DAZ coukld benefit froms creen grabs and button-for-button descriptions, but to me the above - Pokethrough in Poser areound specific areas with a specific item - makes it much MUCH clearer what the issue is. I can picture it - or soemthing very like it - in my head. > >   > > I assume it fits fine in DAZ Studio (sorry, I don't have much clothing for Genesis. Actually, I'm not sur eI have any clothing for Genesis. The figure is still pretty much a technical curiosity for me rather than something I'm likely to base an image off of - and I laready have a bunch of clothing for Victoria going back to version 1. An item of clothing is going to have to be spectacular, or extraordinarily cheap, or both to attract my wallet out of it's hiding place). > >   > > Where was I? See - losing track again. Thanks for providing the extra info. I must admit that I assumed Randy's reply: > > > Quote - any clothes fit to Genesis in the current exporter will follow the morphs in Poser just fine. > >   > > was reasonably accurate. I hope he can take the additional info, try silky with a few morphs, and find what's going on.

It is very simple: Export the dress with the V5 morph, conform the dress to Genesis and dial V5 and you get the following as shown in the picture

That is a zero pose and it shows here the back of the dress.

The front has similar issues

 

Quote - > Quote - I hope he (Rand) can take the additional info, try silky with a few morphs, and find what's going on.

It is very simple: Export the dress with the V5 morph, conform the dress to Genesis and dial V5 and you get the following as shown in the picture

That is a zero pose and it shows here the back of the dress.

The front has similar issues

Eww. Hard to reconcile Rand's statement with that screen cap IMHO - and Genesis's skin seams don't look pretty there either with the wrong UV Set exported for that texture (so you've got two major issues highlighted in one image!).

And now we wait...

 

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - I hope he (Rand) can take the additional info, try silky with a few morphs, and find what's going on.

It is very simple: Export the dress with the V5 morph, conform the dress to Genesis and dial V5 and you get the following as shown in the picture

That is a zero pose and it shows here the back of the dress.

The front has similar issues

Eww. Hard to reconcile Rand's statement with that screen cap IMHO - and Genesis's skin seams don't look pretty there either with the wrong UV Set exported for that texture (so you've got two major issues highlighted in one image!).

And now we wait...

 

The UV issue is a known issue - it exports the V4 UV mapping. If you apply a V4 map it will look good. I just did not bother to do that to show the problem with the dress

 

Yes, that uv issue is a known issue. Still illustrated well that it's an ongoing issue IMO.

Several of the fixes in the latest CR2 exporter were noted as needing a service release for Poser 9/PP2012 to be supported.

Quote - Then what exactly is the current issue with getting conformers exported?

There is no issue, DAZ simply want Poser users to be able to use the .DSF format directly in Poser without having to export the content from DS first.

TBH IMO the cr2 exporter was a bit of a knee jerk reaction by DAZ, purely down to the amount of venom being spat at them from the Poserverse, sadly it's become more of a prick tease and is just pissing off more & more Poser users.

Quote - Several of the fixes in the latest CR2 exporter were noted as needing a service release for Poser 9/PP2012 to be supported.

I was actually using the (beta) service release

Quote - > Quote - Then what exactly is the current issue with getting conformers exported?

There is no issue, DAZ simply want Poser users to be able to use the .DSF format directly in Poser without having to export the content from DS first.

IMO see wimvdb's posts (which suggest there is AN issue but not necessarily where the issue is) but on the whole it seems to me that anyone but DAZ_Rand answering posts at this point is leading to more confusion rather than greater clarity.

Or maybe Dan ;)

Quote - > Quote - Several of the fixes in the latest CR2 exporter were noted as needing a service release for Poser 9/PP2012 to be supported.

I was actually using the (beta) service release

When betas collide!

I think now is a great time for me to bow out of an area where I can't do any direct testing myself, and stick to stuff that just relates to the base figure :)

Attached Link: http://www.kwiksurveys.com?s=OMEKIO_f872e781

Here's something intereting -

As you might have seen I'm running an unofficial survey regarding the recent content issue (mostly to satisfy some curiosity) - see link above. Yesterday I found out that there's a new Poser page at Daz3D and posted a link to said survey. To make it fair I also posted the same message to the Daz Studio forum.

Originally I posted on the commons but I wanted to get as many responders as poss.

This morning both the postings on the Poser and Studio pages were deleted.

Hmmmmmmmmmm.........

sorry about the typos - rushing out the door to work

Quote - Here's something intereting -....

This morning both the postings on the Poser and Studio pages were deleted.

Hmmmmmmmmmm.........

Yeah, happens a lot ;).

Laurie

Thought about it again and I'm saying it anyway.

If DAZ truely wanted to talk, the DAZ forum wouldn't be getting censored, edited, and deleted in to nonsence.

You couldn't have this conversation on the DAZ forum because if the entire thread didn't get pulled, it would at least be edited down to the point of making no sense.

There are quite a few issues at DAZ that can't even be address because the subject matter is taboo and gets an immeadiet deletion.

I'm banned for complaining about the censor ship. My ban is up in a couple of weeks, but I don't want to be part of the new "sanitized for our protection" DAZ forum.

I'm doing the carrara 8.5 beta, quite a few people are, but you don't see any posts about it on the DAZ forum. Why?

How can you talk about how well genesis works or doesn't work in carrara when the doesn't work part is deleted?

How can you talk about the touble with autofit if those posts are deleted.

How can you talk about using DSF to get genesis or scenes from studio to carrara when DSF is one of the DAZ taboo subjects that gets an immediate deletion.

DAZ doesn't want to talk, DAZ wants to listen to the bleating of it's fanboy sheep.

If the post isn't an official announcement, a PA posting about their latest piece on sale, or a newbie asking for help, there is a good chance it will get pulled.

 

You want to talk installers. How about the newest ones that doesn't mention Poser or runtime any time during the installation process. It's real fun trying to install in poser format to a runtime when you are never given the options.

Persoanlly I hate installers, they take me 3X as long to run through and install and unless you are right on top of it, no telling just where that content might get installed. The latest installers need a tutorial. A tutorial for an installer? If an installer needs a tutorial it has defeated it own purpose. Installers are suposed to make this easyer, but they don't, they just make it more complex.

Last night I had 16 installers to run, from 3 different DAZ eras, so that was 3 different places they wanted to install to. And even after installing with the newest installers, next ones up wanted to install to else where, so every one of them had to be pointed at the right runtime.

And just who's bright idea was it to set the installers up to make a short cut to your content on the desk top and the start up folder? I'm still shaking my head on that one.

Now try to explain that to a newbie, tell them DAZ never updates installers so installers install to where ever the content folder was at the time the installer was made. Try to tell them that the older content doesn't have micro data, and more then likey never will; DAZ doesn't update installers. So none of it will ever show up in you smart content tab and poof that post is gone.

Give me a good oldfashioned zip, unzip, cut, paste, done and I know my content is in the right place because I put it there. If it isn't that easy for you, you are on a mac or using the wrong zip unpacking app.

If these installers where all they were suposed to be the forum wouldn't be full of newbie posts about not being able to find their content. And I'm sure changing the name of the content folder to my libaray isn't at all confusing. I mean by some happy luck a newbie manages to point the installer to the studio folder, he just gets a content folder next to his my library folder so when he opens studio and goes to his library of coarse he can't find his content.

I finally got around to instlling the latest DS4 with the nonfunctional genesis cr2 exporter. This is just too typical of DAZ. I don't have poser so it may work in poser, but it sure doesn't work in carrara; which is suposed to be poser compatable.

 

I could most ashuredly go on. I've been watching the demise of the DAZ forum for weeks. Watching customer after costomer leave DAZ; or threaten to leave before their post gets deleted, long time poster after long time post just stop posting. And I haven't seen many of the best carrara users on the forum for quite some time.

It's a pitty when you have to go to the competitors forum to have an open discution about DAZ, DAZ apps, and DAZ content. Because you certainly can't do it on the DAZ forum.

 

Please excuse the spelling, I blame it on this not so user freindly forum. ;)

Yanno, I was hoping this "gesture" that Daz is trying to make was going to mean that things would be changing in other areas as well. I suppose not. You can't breed trust if you keep deleting people's posts. Especially when that trust was on very thin ice as it is. Ya just lost mine. Again.

I've gotta tell ya Daz, you just took the wind out of my sails.

Perhaps you should take this place as an example. Your posts don't get deleted here unless you're attacking someone or just being a troll. Not for voicing an opinion, even if it's against the site itself. Cause, yanno....they can take the criticism. Unlike you folks.

Laurie

I suspect that if an employee posted the same thing in their own company's forum, it wouldn't get deleted. 

The reason the discussion is going on here is most likely because here is where most of the grumbling and such is occurring. 

As for the rest? Couldn't care less, really. I usually don't go to the DAZ forums becuase there's way too much discussion churn for my tastes, and thinking about an issue instead of having to whip out a first thought just to get heard leads to less insight, IMHO... a curse of being a popular forum, I guess. Slashdot has a similar problem.

Oh, forgot. Please pass what I said above to your new management.

Damn, you've totally bummed me out now.

Laurie

I've got a feeling the discussion is going on here Pengy because posts don't get deleted willy-nilly based on emotion by the whim of some admin on a power trip. Yeah, perhaps this place is a little meaner than other forums but you can voice your opinion here without fear of reprisal just cause you don't agree with staff It's refreshing. And it's the way it ought to be. Maybe that's why this place has lasted so long.

Daz definitely needs to get a thicker skin. Overall, displeasure with their product isn't a bad thing. How are they going to improve it if they don't care to listen to people who tell them what's wrong? The only thing I get from that is that they don't care about what's wrong. What else are we supposed to think or conclusion to draw? It makes me feel distrustful toward them. I just can't feel any other way. And I don't like feeling that way about them - I've used their figures for a lot of years and I like em (for the most part).

Laurie

Laurie, does Renderosity allow people to post the same thread into several different forums, just because the OP doesn't think it is receiving enough notice in the most widely used forum on the site? 

Posted into these forums days after the original thread which was so popular it is no longer on the front page.

 

And BTW you said 

"Perhaps you should take this place as an example. Your posts don't get deleted here unless you're attacking someone or just being a troll. Not for voicing an opinion, even if it's against the site itself. Cause, yanno....they can take the criticism. Unlike you folks."

So basically Renderosity works by the same rules as Daz3D

Quote - I suspect that if an employee posted the same thing in their own company's forum, it wouldn't get deleted. 

The reason the discussion is going on here is most likely because here is where most of the grumbling and such is occurring. 

As for the rest? Couldn't care less, really. I usually don't go to the DAZ forums becuase there's way too much discussion churn for my tastes, and thinking about an issue instead of having to whip out a first thought just to get heard leads to less insight, IMHO... a curse of being a popular forum, I guess. Slashdot has a similar problem.

 

It happens here, because HERE you CAN voice an opinion and not have it deleted because yanno, thats the way DAZ is.  Cant say nothing at all that isnt prim and proper or make a statement that isnt OOOH, WOW, thats so AWESOME.  Complain about something and poof, its gone. 

Quote - Laurie, does Renderosity allow people to post the same thread into several different forums, just because the OP doesn't think it is receiving enough notice in the most widely used forum on the site? 

Posted into these forums days after the original thread which was so popular it is no longer on the front page.

 

And BTW you said 

"Perhaps you should take this place as an example. Your posts don't get deleted here unless you're attacking someone or just being a troll. Not for voicing an opinion, even if it's against the site itself. Cause, yanno....they can take the criticism. Unlike you folks."

So basically Renderosity works by the same rules as Daz3D

Then why not delete one and LEAVE one? Sheesh. Send the poster a little sitemail "Please keep to one forum". Not delete em all. And I'm sorry, but Daz does NOT work by the same rules as this place. LOL

I'm not trying to start any kind of site war, cause that's just stupid. I AM trying to point out where Daz needs to improve if they want even a modicum of trust from anyone that's not a falling-down Daz groupie.

To be fair - the one in the commons was not deleted

 

Quote - To be fair - the one in the commons was not deleted

Well, that is certainly a relief ;).

Laurie

I am going to go out on a limb here and assume that many of the questions that people have asked are just not going to get answered.

So much for wanting to chat....

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Quote - I've got a feeling the discussion is going on here Pengy because posts don't get deleted willy-nilly based on emotion...

 

...wanna bet? I have examples of posts being deleted (and one that has been visibly edited by mods) in this very thread, based on emotion (the other qualifiers you added? c'mon, you know better than that ;) ).

 

Also, winvdb covered the rest of it, methinks.

Hm sorry but thats kind of a ridiculous sentiment and makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.

If DAZ only wishes to censor everyones negative opinions, why would they come here to START a thread to discuss things and actively listen to everyone being upset? Here, where they have absolutely no control.

And maybe some questions aren't getting answered because A: They haven't been gotten to yet, or B: there is no viable answer to give on the subject yet. Would you prefer to be misinformed?