Quote - DAZ Vendors/PA's have said ( in various forum posts ) that sales for Genesis stuff is really great. It seems the strategy of giving away Studio and the Gen3 human models over the past few years is paying off.

A  ton of new light buyers are replacing a small number of heavy buyers.

It is all pure business in the end.

Genesis frees up a lot of potential buying money from the small heavy buying crowd who won't invest in Genesis nor its 3rd party support... money that clever vendors could tap into.

Cool! Happy to hear it. So, we're not needed, nor is our spending there. I'm relieved to hear that.

Quote - > Quote - Silence is the worst form of communication

But the safest. Who wants to put themselves in jeopardy when it is already clear they do not want to listen or act upon what they are told? It takes effort to communicate with them. Why bother if it makes no difference and you are just labelled a troublemaker? They have obviously made up their minds on lots of things and talking will make no difference. Much of the silence, by the way, comes from them in my experience.

...exactly, where I live, the local transit aruthority does pretty much the same. Oh they hold public meetings (usually when everyone has to be at work) and say our comments are important, but in most cases they have already made their minds up. One official even mentioned to me the only reason the public meetings and hearings are held is because they are required to do so since they receive Federal funding.

About two years ago the commission made plans for sweeping cuts in bus service along with an increase in fares.  During the final public meeting (which I took the day off from work to attend) many not only voiced concerns but offered excellent suggestions to deal with the issues without resorting to such drastic measures.  That September the commission followed through with all the service cuts and the fare increase as originally planned. In the end, the opinion and needs of their customers meant nothing.

With respect to Daz, to basically say that they will never go to a Zip file or even offer it as an option pretty much makes their forum thread as moot as that transit commission meeting.

Quote - With respect to Daz, to basically say that they will never go to a Zip file or even offer it as an option pretty much makes their forum thread as moot as that transit commission meeting.

but... but... before you write off that thread completely. At least it makes it appear as if they are listening. That's what matters, right? :m_smile:

Quote - > Quote - DAZ Vendors/PA's have said ( in various forum posts ) that sales for Genesis stuff is really great. It seems the strategy of giving away Studio and the Gen3 human models over the past few years is paying off.

A  ton of new light buyers are replacing a small number of heavy buyers.

It is all pure business in the end.

Genesis frees up a lot of potential buying money from the small heavy buying crowd who won't invest in Genesis nor its 3rd party support... money that clever vendors could tap into.

Cool! Happy to hear it. So, we're not needed, nor is our spending there. I'm relieved to hear that.

In the short-term.

If you're Adobe, you gonna sell set 2 of the filters to the folks who bought Photoshop or the folks who downloaded it for free?

Folks BUY Poser.

I'm supposing DAZ_Rand is done with this thread their business started

I find the whole concept of this thread disingenuous.  If DAZ doesn’t miss the sales from the angered Poser users, who were banned from their forums or left of their own will, why come here - to a Poser forum - to clear up misconceptions or to speak to the misinformation bandying about the Poser-verse.  If DAZ doesn’t miss the revenue, than why come here and bring the topic up?  The facts are clear enough.  Genesis is for DAZ Studio - at least for now.  End of story.

I’m not interested in DAZ software.  I am a Poser user.  As for the DAZ installers, that’s kept me from purchasing any number of items from their store.  I prefer ZIP files.  The installers create unnecessary folders, temp files and don’t allow a custom placement of items into my Runtime.  The whole, V4 must be installed to the root Runtime - and being forced to create a dummy Poser.exe file to install the files where I like - was the last straw.

There a number of talented artists selling through the DAZ Website, and it these artists went out on their own or made their products available sans DAZ installers they would win over by business.  Poser is a hobby.  I don’t NEED anything DAZ has to offer, and there are plenty of fine content providers found elsewhere.

Best wishes to DAZ.  It’s been fun.

After an all to brief holiday break, astute practitioners of the Queen's English are sound like they're giving shouts out to Biggie and Tupac, lonesome cowboys continue to wail in the wilderness "I wish I could quit you Vickie,"  as if some dark and invisible force binds those who have renounced the Evil Empire like some sissephean curse. In short, bidness as usual. The best I can say is that this has become a profound embarassment to Renderosity and the Poser community. My New Year's resolution is to read and participate no more. How many will join me?

Well, it's not the worse meltdown I've seen. About on par with whatever the Kardashian hoo-haw is about.

Quote - I find the whole concept of this thread disingenuous.  If DAZ doesn’t miss the sales from the angered Poser users, who were banned from their forums or left of their own will, why come here - to a Poser forum - to clear up misconceptions or to speak to the misinformation bandying about the Poser-verse.  If DAZ doesn’t miss the revenue, than why come here and bring the topic up?  The facts are clear enough.  Genesis is for DAZ Studio - at least for now.  End of story.

I’m not interested in DAZ software.  I am a Poser user.  As for the DAZ installers, that’s kept me from purchasing any number of items from their store.  I prefer ZIP files.  The installers create unnecessary folders, temp files and don’t allow a custom placement of items into my Runtime.  The whole, V4 must be installed to the root Runtime - and being forced to create a dummy Poser.exe file to install the files where I like - was the last straw.

There a number of talented artists selling through the DAZ Website, and it these artists went out on their own or made their products available sans DAZ installers they would win over by business.  Poser is a hobby.  I don’t NEED anything DAZ has to offer, and there are plenty of fine content providers found elsewhere.

Best wishes to DAZ.  It’s been fun.

The whole thing is making me wonder too and maybe you are correct. Seems like there are less people in the forums there than anywhere else.

At RDNA I counted 169 people in the forums and there were supposedly 736 online.

Rendo is reporting 7135 online and even if everyone has 10 browser windows open at the same time that is still 713.5 people

Daz currently has 46 people online.

If these statistics are to be believed it looks very sad for my once favourite place. :m_tear:

These are very good times for the DAZ and Poser communitites.

Change is happening. Change is being forced upon us... good things will come of it... but folks... it is okay to bitch about the changes.

Quote - After an all to brief holiday break, astute practitioners of the Queen's English are sound like they're giving shouts out to Biggie and Tupac, lonesome cowboys continue to wail in the wilderness "I wish I could quit you Vickie,"  as if some dark and invisible force binds those who have renounced the Evil Empire like some sissephean curse. In short, bidness as usual. The best I can say is that this has become a profound embarassment to Renderosity and the Poser community. My New Year's resolution is to read and participate no more. How many will join me?

I'm in ;).

Laurie

Quote - These are very good times for the DAZ and Poser communitites.

Change is happening. Change is being forced upon us... good things will come of it... but folks... it is okay to bitch about the changes.

"Change ain't good, Leon."  - Luc Besson, 'The Professional' aka, 'Leon'

Love that scene ...

Be Well,
Rªnce

We were going on the same path for years. We always waited for the next generation of DAZ foks - always depended on DAZ.

This opens new doors of opportunity.

I quote from a post by Kendall Sears dated 27 Dec 2011 00:35 in the thread on DAZ about piracy:

As far as invisible to the user: the App uses a library which loads the keys and accesses the daemon/DBMS which then returns the data to the app. It is not very different from how D|S works now. The difference is that the content data come from Daz/CP/Rendo/etc in an encrypted package that the built-in installer decrypts and puts into storage.

For those asking about "being implemented." These methods are used ALL THE TIME in areas that matter. Not so much for the consumer. So far, no one cares about the DAZ/Poser user's data except for the poor PA's who get screwed by unscrupulous 阿呆 who deserve to have their harddrives wiped without warning.

First consideration: it appears that my coffee stains work very well.

Second consideration: if the final comment is something more than sick bravado, it describes actions that, even if performed in response to a license violation, are (at least in the US) criminal behaviour and can be prosecuted as such.

Bye.

Read into this what you will... 

When I first saw the thread title I said to myself, "Oh, this is going to be fun." 

Quote - I quote from a post by Kendall Sears dated 27 Dec 2011 00:35 in the thread on DAZ about piracy:

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As far as invisible to the user: the App uses a library which loads the keys and accesses the daemon/DBMS which then returns the data to the app. It is not very different from how D|S works now. The difference is that the content data come from Daz/CP/Rendo/etc in an encrypted package that the built-in installer decrypts and puts into storage.

For those asking about "being implemented." These methods are used ALL THE TIME in areas that matter. Not so much for the consumer. So far, no one cares about the DAZ/Poser user's data except for the poor PA's who get screwed by unscrupulous 阿呆 who deserve to have their harddrives wiped without warning.

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First consideration: it appears that my coffee stains work very well.

Second consideration: if the final comment is something more than sick bravado, it describes actions that, even if performed in response to a license violation, are (at least in the US) criminal behaviour and can be prosecuted as such.

Bye.

Not too different - in intent, if not implementation - from a rootkit, then?  Oopsie.

"This opens new doors of opportunity"

Which can also be the same door hitting you in the ass on the way out.

As others have pointed out, there are basic differences in the human male and female structures.  And there are ways these differences change between a child, young teen, teen, or mature person.  To say one figure will replace discrete figures, okay, I had the idea that it would be nice, years ago.  Genesis only proves that it will NOT work.  What you end up with is at best a kludge that doesn't resemble either a child nor an adult, male or female.  It does not bend like an adult, or a child, getting it to look right is difficult.  Made worse by a program that is unstable, which will not run in my better computer, barely runs in a cheap eMachines. 

Support for V3 is disappearing, fortunately I have what I need for that one, as well as for V4 and some for the male counterparts.  It begins to look like throwing everything they have into V5 and whatever else they come up with is their aim, and abandonment of the older figures soon to follow.  Were the genesis figure compatible with most of the already available software, it probably would not be a factor, however the opposite is true.

Poser can't conveniently use genesis, and the answer seems to be "Tell SM about it"  but the weight mapped poser figures won't work in DS, I so far haven't heard "Tell DAZ about it."  However, the genesis figure is not available except as part of DS4, then has to be exported, forcing anyone wanting to use it in anything else to learn an unfamiliar program to export it to anything else.  For the DS users, this is fine, for me, it's a stopper, full stop. 

releasing DS4 before any documentation was available was a mistake, a big one.  Releasing genesis with nothing available to modify it was another.  Lots of "advance interest", granted.  Followed by lots of users saying "Oh, well" and moving on.  Poser's weight mapping offers the possibility to change the older figures to have much better bending, all that's need is time for the right people to learn that well enough before a whole lot more are released in the form of morphs.  Two systems gives two choices, yes, change can be good, but it doesn't always come out as the changers hope.

Quote - I quote from a post by Kendall Sears dated 27 Dec 2011 00:35 in the thread on DAZ about piracy:

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As far as invisible to the user: the App uses a library which loads the keys and accesses the daemon/DBMS which then returns the data to the app. It is not very different from how D|S works now. The difference is that the content data come from Daz/CP/Rendo/etc in an encrypted package that the built-in installer decrypts and puts into storage.

For those asking about "being implemented." These methods are used ALL THE TIME in areas that matter. Not so much for the consumer. So far, no one cares about the DAZ/Poser user's data except for the poor PA's who get screwed by unscrupulous 阿呆 who deserve to have their harddrives wiped without warning.

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All a bit Orwellian, isn't it? I wonder what would happen to me then, basically taking bits and pieces of "Holiday Nook" into PFE in order to unhide translation and scale dials for furniture so I could... um, Pose them. Would modifying an item consitute some breach that would then trigger a response from the "Daz App"?

Oh, far-fetched, you say? And this rubbish isn't?

I wonder why this tidbit by Kendall Sears hasn't been shared by a Daz_Person on this thread... :glare:

Really, you guys are going with Big Brother speculation now? :sigh:

Quote - Really, you guys are going with Big Brother speculation now? :sigh:

What did you expect?  DAZ_Rand showed up, and was a "good natured source of information".  DAZ has never clearly stated it's road map for the future, just dropped hints here and there.

If he didn't want us to speculate on incomplete information, he shouldn't have spilled the beans.  Especially if the company hasn't actually decided whether or not it will actually go that route. Which is apparently the case.

This is the danger of letting a company evangelist talk on forums.  They don't know when to hold their cards near their vests. 

I wasn't talking about the download manager thing (which I have made it very clear to DAZ that I DO NOT like the idea of either), I meant the speculation about criminal behavior and DAZ spying on how we use our purchases. I'm with you on that, I really want to just download a file and be done with it, but let's try not to run with Alex's "coffee stains" or other worst-case scenarios that haven't happened yet if we can.

I don't think a concern with what I do to content - nor the right to do so - is "Big Brother Speculation" at all, SS. The idea here is to prevent piracy, right? So, modifying content to repackage it for resale could be part of what they are trying to prevent.

There is not a single item I have bought anywhere at any point that I use as is. I mod most things somewhat, a lot of things heavily, so much so the original developer would be hard put to identify as his or hers. I mess with stuff. Transmaps, UVmaps, objs, shaders, everything. This is why the installer is so little of an issue: the installer dumps everything into this dummy folder from which I only take what I want and put it where I like and use tools to make the content work for me, like PFE and Blender.
Why do I do this? PP2012 doesn't render skin shaders with light blue in diffuse_Color very nicely. Or hair with gamma_value set to renderer default either:needs to be 1. Or Reflection_Lite_Mult on. Ot Filtering set to quality when it should be set to Crisp.

But now with a proposal that content be encrypted and you will never really have access to it, since the actual item is somewhere in a Daz cloud and all you see is an instance of it, an encrypted instance to prevent theft, means it is no longer yours to mess with.
For those few of us who don't do the load-pose-render thing, this is not going to work. Yes, we are in the minority. Clearly. Daz apparently have hordes of new customers who are happy to use content as is.

Which worries me.

I think the Shroud of Turin really reveals the outlines of Mike 5's face

Hey! Who threw that rotten tomato?!!

A little earlier someone posted some stats about how many people were online at DAZ and at Renderosity. If the stats accurately reflect the following for each, the simple math would seem to be that Rendo = Real Big and DAZ = Real Small. I don't know if it just means that Rendo members are just online at Rendo much more than DAZ members are, or if Rendo just attracts more casual window shoppers. No way for us civilians to tell.

Point being, Real Small seems to be wielding a disproportionate influence on some members of Real Big. Especially on their blood pressure. The market will determine if DAZ's direction is good or bad for them. No amount of ranting and dire predictions by us will matter. We vote with our wallets.

Now let's go back to having fun with our hobby!

Which makes me question if there have ever been any mascot type suits ever modeled for any character. Sandwich board is easy. Mascot not so much.

I would seriously doubt that DAZ or any other provider would encrypt products in such a way that they could not be edited like you say. I'm not sure how they could to be honest, especially since PAs often need to get inside products and figures for morphing, editing, and other means of content creation. Their reasons would most likely be either to deal with piracy or to ease the installation process for new users. Should we never truly have access to the products we buy, you can rest assured that I and many others will be raising hell with any store that goes that route.  :)

Really wouldn't worry about that though, a lot of us are making it clear to whomever we can that any such service should be an option if at all possible and not the only method. Again, I don't speak for DAZ, but I do try to make my opinion heard there.

Thanks, SnowSultan. That was probably a misconception that I derived from that Sears quote: I do tend to enlarge things a bit. No, I do! No, really. :biggrin:

{putting my copy of "1984" away :biggrin: }

...PrecisionXXX excellent observation.

One figure mesh that fits all cannot do any single one accruately. It's the old "Jack of all Trades" syndrome. All the more why I am not rushing to get Daz Studio 4 as Genesis is it's major selling point.

I'm beginning to wonder if Daz is not trying too hard to become something bigger than they are. Suddenly, the basic application (which used to be free) now will have a price on it.  The Advanced version is almost as expensive as the basic version of Poser even though it doesn't have same the features (like user defined dynamics or a detailed shader creation tool) and is always in a state of Beta development. The "Pro" version is almost as expensive as the Pro version of Poser and only adds the Content Creator Tools and bridges to interface with other apps (several of which most hobbyists cannot afford).

NP Robyn, I don't think things will ever so bad that stores will be dictating what kind of art we make and how we use what we buy. Better not.  ;)

"One figure mesh that fits all cannot do any single one accruately. It's the old "Jack of all Trades" syndrome."

I think it depends on whether you consider DAZ's figures 'accurate'. When I use the M4 or V4 Genesis shape, to me it feels exactly like I'm using V4 or M4. They're no worse than the Gen 4 figures themselves, plus you can use all of the other morphs with them. There are also individual body part sizing morphs that I wish more people would try using because they can also help with a lot with the "men and women don't have the same proportions" issue.

Not trying to pitch Genesis to you, just saying that it's still about as accurate as the figures we're used to.

Quote - Poser can't conveniently use genesis, and the answer seems to be "Tell SM about it"  but the weight mapped poser figures won't work in DS, I so far haven't heard "Tell DAZ about it."

That question (about a new CR2 importer for DS) was asked (by me) and answered (or at least acknowledged by Randall) earlier in this thread.

Ps? Any one remember who we are talking to?
Someone threw a stone in the water and ran.
BTW, I do not want to chat. I want answers, solutions.

36 pages into this now and NO answers, no solutions.

NONE.

Not a single one.

I am going for a walk, and talk to a tree :-)

Have a nice day you all.

Quote - > Quote - I find the whole concept of this thread disingenuous.  If DAZ doesn’t miss the sales from the angered Poser users, who were banned from their forums or left of their own will, why come here - to a Poser forum - to clear up misconceptions or to speak to the misinformation bandying about the Poser-verse.  If DAZ doesn’t miss the revenue, than why come here and bring the topic up?  The facts are clear enough.  Genesis is for DAZ Studio - at least for now.  End of story.

I’m not interested in DAZ software.  I am a Poser user.  As for the DAZ installers, that’s kept me from purchasing any number of items from their store.  I prefer ZIP files.  The installers create unnecessary folders, temp files and don’t allow a custom placement of items into my Runtime.  The whole, V4 must be installed to the root Runtime - and being forced to create a dummy Poser.exe file to install the files where I like - was the last straw.

There a number of talented artists selling through the DAZ Website, and it these artists went out on their own or made their products available sans DAZ installers they would win over by business.  Poser is a hobby.  I don’t NEED anything DAZ has to offer, and there are plenty of fine content providers found elsewhere.

Best wishes to DAZ.  It’s been fun.

 

The whole thing is making me wonder too and maybe you are correct. Seems like there are less people in the forums there than anywhere else.

At RDNA I counted 169 people in the forums and there were supposedly 736 online.

Rendo is reporting 7135 online and even if everyone has 10 browser windows open at the same time that is still 713.5 people

Daz currently has 46 people online.

If these statistics are to be believed it looks very sad for my once favourite place. :m_tear:

 

 

Ouch!

Quote - Daz currently has 46 people online. If these statistics are to be believed it looks very sad for my once favourite place. :m_tear:

Where did that number come from? On DAZ's page i could not find it.

Wow... talk about fevered.

I think I'll sit back a little further and let this simmer some more.

I figure in a week there will be aliens and international bankers involved.

*Quote -*Wow... talk about fevered.

 

I think I'll sit back a little further and let this simmer some more.

 

I figure in a week there will be aliens and international bankers involved.

Led by David Icke of course

Quote - I figure in a week there will be aliens and international bankers involved.

You do know all international bankers are aliens?

Only 33% of them. The Xyprickiarn religion always discourages more than 1/3 interference in anything (especially when it comes to other species' affairs), and they're pretty vicious about enforcing it. But then, they've always been pretty obsessed with  thirds.

I have an idea though - let's see if we can generate some crazy rumors and speculations on our own as well. I'll start.

You see DAZ got a new CEO for a very good reason: the fate of huanity depended on it. Dan Farr was called away by a cabal which consists of NASA, the ESA, the porn industry, and the MPAA.

I really don't want to shock you gents out there, but it must be said: It seems that humanity is running low on bimbos. No, really. It began with China's One Child policy,which tended to produce more baby boys than girls, affecting 1/4 of humanity's supply of chicks in the first place, and coupled with Mao's strict gender equality diktats, began eating away at the supply of bimbos severely.

At first it was no big deal - it's just China, right? Well, then the like of Gloria Steinem arose, and the whole feminist movement arrived. Even then, we all figured, again, no cause for alarm... lots of ditzy bimbos around, and the feminist movement appeared at first to be an easy way to rectify the problem, because now we can get all the free and easy sex we wanted, and the chicks all thought they were liberating themselves by giving it away without the requirement of a wedding ring or courtship (seriously, when J. Edgar Hoover first came up with that at the 1962 Illuminati Convention, we all thought he was hitting the scotch again. But I gotta tell you, that bastard's a friggin' genius! I still owe him $10 over that.) 

But then the 80's came around... women just weren't giving it away like they used to. Cocaine helped stave off the inevitable for awhile, but the writing was on the wall. The whole AIDS thing just hammered a lid on it, and the supply of bimbos simply dried up. I mean, yeah, sure - the chicks came to their senses eventually and began to give it away again, but by then they were only doing it because their biological clock was clanging after being put on snooze for over a decade, and the three remaining ova each one had were screaming to be fertilized. Seriously - sex is way better when the chicks aren't whispering baby names afterwards while sobbing in the dark. Kinda hard to kick 'em out at that point, yanno? And by then, the poison was affecting every young generation. 

But we tried... we really tried. But damn; getting the pretty young things to cough it up has been getting progressively tougher and tougher to do. Not even bankrolling and producing Jersey Shore could crack that armor. It was finally a few years ago, when Obama called, begging for a solution. It was getting to the point where even he wasn't able to get any on the side. Figures the government would only want to step in when they can't benefit any more... So I call up Dan. Got him and the President together. 

The solution is drastic, but it just might work:

We've got a colony on Mars now. We've been growing our own martian bimbos. Sometimes we'll import a few back to Earth as seeds of sorts... sometimes it goes right (Lady Gaga and Miley Cyrus stand out), and sometimes it goes horribly wrong (like that time we brought Britney Spears back to replace the clone that's been using to hold her place all these years). 

It's been hit or miss for awhile, but I think now with Dan on board, I think we'll be able to pull it through. In fact, I'm sure we will. We have to. We have no other choice. Humanity depends on it.

Well... I've spilled it. I'm sure the NSA has picked up the post by now, and they'll be by to take care of business, to tie up their new loose end. I think I'll go out to the balcony now, and have one last glass of brandy befo- aww, crap. The helicopters are coming. I gotta g*$@#!I*FNfwqapu732149ROEQQ)TREI()#! NO CARRIER

Quote - > Quote - Daz currently has 46 people online. If these statistics are to be believed it looks very sad for my once favourite place. :m_tear:

Where did that number come from? On DAZ's page i could not find it.

Go to forum index and scroll down the page. Click on View Members Online link at the bottom.

Stats a few hours ago:

RDNA: 616 online

Renderosity: 8036 online

Daz: 46 online

Just now:

RDNA: 659 online

Renderosity: 6830 online

Daz: 64 online

It does appear to be a lot of noise from a tiny site which does not seem that important in the grand scheme of things. I think Poser users will survive! :m_bouncy:

It actually says on the bottom:

This data is based on users active over the past five minutes

I don't think the figures for RDNA and Renderosity are the same

Quote - It actually says on the bottom:

This data is based on users active over the past five minutes

I don't think the figures for RDNA and Renderosity are the same

 

I'd be surprised if it wasn't as that is actually a programming standard as far as I know.

Somehow I doubt that: Having 7014 users active in the last 5 minutes here (and you yourself divided that already by 10 to have the actual users) is a bit much isn't it?

I don't know if it's still true, but at one point Renderosity's users online count was based on activity in the last half-hour.

Here, I read a long time ago it counts the number of browser windows open. I don't know if that is still the same as Renderosity has changed since then. I counted the number of people online at RDNA and it matched the total displayed. Normally for an online script they take 300 seconds which is 5 minutes. If the time frame is too big there is no point in it. There could be deviations but the figures are too vast for it to mean much.

Quote - > Quote - I quote from a post by Kendall Sears dated 27 Dec 2011 00:35 in the thread on DAZ about piracy:

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As far as invisible to the user: the App uses a library which loads the keys and accesses the daemon/DBMS which then returns the data to the app. It is not very different from how D|S works now. The difference is that the content data come from Daz/CP/Rendo/etc in an encrypted package that the built-in installer decrypts and puts into storage.

For those asking about "being implemented." These methods are used ALL THE TIME in areas that matter. Not so much for the consumer. So far, no one cares about the DAZ/Poser user's data except for the poor PA's who get screwed by unscrupulous 阿呆 who deserve to have their harddrives wiped without warning.

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First consideration: it appears that my coffee stains work very well.

Second consideration: if the final comment is something more than sick bravado, it describes actions that, even if performed in response to a license violation, are (at least in the US) criminal behaviour and can be prosecuted as such.

Bye.

Not too different - in intent, if not implementation - from a rootkit, then?  Oopsie.

Please remember that Kendall is a regular user offering his ideas for a content system and not a DAZ insider trailing what is to come.

I just looked it up. Renderosity has 1225 unique users in the past 30 minutes

Still more as DAZ, but not as much as it seemed to be at first

I did this by "Members" from the Menu, Who's Online and then cut the users and paste it into excel to make the count. Active time was 0-30 minutes for each of them

There's a mod site for a game I play that says right now there are 226 guests and 42 members online. If I sign in, it says I'm the only member online. Go in the forums and you'll see that there are questions labeled "new" that haven't been replied to in a year.

Those numbers really don't mean anything. If there are really 7000 users here right now, they sure are quiet.   :)

And apply the same logic to the DAZ site and you get?

Bill

Forums are a thing, market places are another.  In all the years shopping for 3D content, I've still spent more total dollars at DAZ than any other site.  From 2007 on my visits to the site have fallen off (one purchase of a big $29.95 in all of 2009).

I love the venders there, there's a lot of good talent, but I hate the bloody installers.

Attached Link: DAZ3S/Renderosity/RDNA site comparison

Quote - I don't know that I'd atach any great weight to it, but if the relative figures really interest you try Alexs. Using the top level sites (I didn't try just the forums, since they aren' separate sub-domains at all sites to enable comparisons) it looks like DAZ and renderosity are roughly comparable: http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/daz3d.com+renderosity.com+runtimedna.com

Those numbers mean nothing.  Alexa only measures those users who have the toolbar installed.

"And apply the same logic to the DAZ site and you get?"

I said they're not accurate, there are some places that have higher numbers of visitors than a counter may show. Do what Richard says for a more accurate number, and compare DAZ's graph to RDNA's, which Janl said earlier had 10 times what DAZ had.