I saw a piece today on how in 20 years the good ole PC is going to be gone.  Not sure if I agree with that but I think they will be marginalized.  So that makes me wonder, when are we going to get a tablet version of poser?

My iPad is at the ready......

Laurie

Quote - My iPad is at the ready......

Laurie

But how will you get past the Apple control-freakery to install content they don't aprove of??

;)

Seriously, the interface would need a major revamp for me to try it without a mouse

...  and a stonking great monitor to see the fruits of my labour

In 20 years time, I'm certain Poser as we know it now will be gone, too.  If we haven't come up with something better by then we need taking to see a big dog.

Yeah and by 2001 we were supposed to have colonized the Moon, landed a man on Mars, have flying cars, robots, and a whole lot of other nifty neat things.

Funny, we're a decade into the 21st century but it doesn't look all tha much different from the last decade of 20th century.  We have some new gadgets but other than that, not all that much has changed.

Yeah ! Poser on Asus Transformer ... :scared:

And Asus Transformer might work.  If you could get a hold of one of the new ones, that is.

It'spossible by installing ubuntu instead krakd rom then wine :b_cool:

Never try ...

I have wanted something like this on my ipad forever. I like to make things for Second Life and I can't do that on the ipad either. I think what we could have is some piece of it though. Like, if I could import a figure into the ipad and paint it there that would be great. Maybe you can't have the whole experience on the iPad, but it would be nice to be able to do some productive work there. So far, I have not found any really useful app. Although I have managed to use Art Rage to create shirts for Second Life. There are many times when I am sitting on the train, or in a coffee shop waiting for someone that I would like to have such tools. As it is, all I do is read forums in these situations.

Will there still be ipads in 20 years?

Well, as expensive as they are, I will probably still have mine.

j

Quote - Well, as expensive as they are, I will probably still have mine.

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Haha...me too...tho, if the iPad 3 is the same price, I may have to leap and get the 16 gig version :P. I just got the one I have about a month ago. I am so in love...lol.

Laurie

For right now, you could manipulate the desktop of your home computer from the IPad (over a network or the Internet) with a remote application. This was not very useful on an IPod Touch, but the IPad has a much bigger screen. It may be too slow to be very useful.

lmk

Twenty years is a long time to look ahead...anyone in the UK of a certain age will remember Tomorrow's World on the BBC. The desktop will stay around for a while yet, if only in hybrid - ie. you plug your portable into it. But it has advantages that won't just go away: security, scope for greater power (and we will always want greater power), large screen viewing, and a keyboard. Damned if I can touchtype on a tablet for long - if only because its not good for your hands/wrists. (And for long periods, you need a well placed angled keyboard, and a good screen at eye level - honestly, it's not good for kids to spend all that time surfing, gaming, and doing homework on a laptop!)

I have a feeling the form factor of portable computing will have changed dramatically in 20 years, as well as the capabilities.

Yep, I remember TW, philebus.  Good show until the last few seasons when they really dumbed it down.  

Definitely agree the desktop will be around in some form for a while. 

I'm hoping in 20 years, portable computing will be gyniod babes who will be quite sufficient at porting themselves around thank you very much.

Gynoid Green is People?!

This latest tablet craze is, may I say it, just a craze.  Tablets are essentially just larger smart phones without the phones--just as the laptop has not completely replaced the desktop computer, the tablet will not completely replace laptops and desktops.  Tablets are essentially media consumption devices, they can create media but lack the real horsepower to do everything a PC can do.  I think some people, depending on what they use their PCs for may go all tablet, but to do artwork like we are doing, a more powerful PC will be needed.  I do have friends who have almost completely abandoned their PCs and laptops for their iPads--but they essentially just surf the web, watch videos, and do email on it.  Even though there are art apps for mobile devices, they have severe limitations.

Tablets have the specs that computers had 12 years ago as far as processing power.  I think they could do a limited version of Poser that would be more similar to the early editions of the program and it could be fun--but if you look at the specs of a computer you need to run Poser, Vue, or Daz Studio smoothly and do renders that won't take a week--even with a tablet version of Poser, we're a long way off from jettisoning our PCs or Macs in the 3D art world. 

I've heard rumors of a web based version of Daz Studio, but what you will be able to do with it I have no idea--or even if you will be able run it on a tablet.

"Tablet Poser"?

You don't have to wait long. Only to Windows 8 is released.

Tom, I don't think a lot of people need the HP.  Take gaming rigs.  They used to be all the rage, but nowadays with the colsoles taking over (most companies design for consoles first, even if there is a PC version) you don't really need one anymore.  In fact there are only 2-3 genres of gaming that you can't really do on consoles...  Even shooters made the transition.  I still prefer mouse and keyboard for shooters but a console can accept a USB mouse and keyboard.

Also I don't remember seeing a PC version of angry birds.

This might seem tangential but there is a point to it.  More and more devices are cutting into the PC in terms of what they are able to do (TVs that can connect to the web).  In a decade, it's possible we'll have a tablet that's got enough power to run P9 on it.  And by then, it's possible that there will be an interface to make the use of it.

Likewise, if 90% of households have a tablet but only 20% have a PC, it'd be a good business idea to make a tablet version of poser.

I don't think tablets are just a phase...lol. Tell that to Apple, who sold a whopping 40+ million iPads last year ;).

Laurie

I think they are a phase, too.  Basically too big to be useful.  People carry 'em around for the same reason they used to carry Filofaxes and the big old Motorola cell phones.  They'll put up with a little inconvenience for the pose value.

Fast forward a few years and the tech will be really old hat; everyone and their granny will have one and the pose value will be in the minus.  Along comes the shiny new must have gadget and everyone drops the tablet like the wrong end of a shitty stick.

The real advance in portable computing/entertainment/comms will be, IMO, something about the size and shape of a ballpoint pen.  In fact, you'll probably be able to write with it, too.  Have all the power of a current top spec PC, Terabytes of storage and the ability to communicate with just about any device anywhere.

You need a big screen for that?  Simples.  Just pull the flexible panel out of the slot in the side, or tell it to talk to the display device in your Ray Bans.  Keyboard, Sir?   Certainly, press that button there and you'll get one projected onto a flat surface.  The tech for both those things exists now.  :)

I predicted the flat TV, the Kindle and SS storage for music and photos over 30 years ago.  Bet you I'm right this time, too.

Well Microsoft came out with the first e-Reader about 10 years before the Kindle and no one bought it--and Microsoft predicted that it would quickly elliminate the printed page--then in flopped.  I do think Tablets are here to stay, but I don't believe they have or will make the desktop computer or laptop completely obsolete.  People get bored eventually and things are only new for a certain amont of time.  Remember 5 years ago, the netbook was king and people were gobbling them up--where are they now?  I, for one, don't like doing artwork on a small screen--but I love my iPad for checking email in the morning, making journal entries, screening pictures from my digital camera.  It is fun to use all these little apps to apply filters to pictures, but can they replace Photoshop--not on our life.

What I am saying is that the love affair with tablets and eReaders will last until they are common place.  Then I expect, people will realize their limitations and quietly go back to their PCs for doing stuff they just can't due with a weak processor and limited Ram.  I'm sure they have their nitch, but then something else new will come along and everyone will be flocking to that.  PC world had an article that talked about this, Steve Jobs predicted the "death" of the desktop computer--but although not as prolific as they once were, I don't think that they will be completely replaced anytime soon.

BTW you can download Google Chrome and download apps for your PC--including Angry Birds even!  I think the allure of these little app games are their portability.  I downloaded the Sims 3 for iPad and frankly--it sucks--it doesn't even come close to the fun and creativity I can have with my PC version.

Quote - Yeah and by 2001 we were supposed to have colonized the Moon, landed a man on Mars, have flying cars, robots, and a whole lot of other nifty neat things.

Funny, we're a decade into the 21st century but it doesn't look all tha much different from the last decade of 20th century.  We have some new gadgets but other than that, not all that much has changed.

And Pan American would take us there, LOL

Quote - Well Microsoft came out with the first e-Reader about 10 years before the Kindle and no one bought it--and Microsoft predicted that it would quickly elliminate the printed page--then in flopped. ...

Ahh...so much different then tho ;). Time and technology had to catch up - good idea, wrong time...lol. I do agree with you that there's no way it's gonna replace the desktop or laptop unless it somehow sprouts a mouse and keyboard. Ever try and do any significant typing on a tablet? Ugh. :P

For what I do with my iPad, it's fantastic. I can chat with friends (as long as I don't have to write a novel), watch video, listen to music, read or play a game or even take a college course...all from my recliner....lol. Ah, life is good :-D

Laurie

There are a couple of models of tablet that could handle it for windows 7.  Asus eeeslate has a core i5 processor and samsung is releasing or has released a windows 7 slate with a newer i5.  Both are pretty appealing to me but at $1K -$1.5k a bit too steep, and you wont fit a lot of content onto a 32 or 64 gb ssd

Quote - "Tablet Poser"?

You don't have to wait long. Only to Windows 8 is released.

 

Comparison iPad iOS 5 vs Windows 8 Slate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntSdfGzF60M&feature=related

New Windows starts in 8 seconds.

I guess a lot would depend on the specs of the Windows 8 tablet; such devices may not have a graphics chip powerful enough to do 3D work and process speed is also important. At one time I really craved a Windows tablet so that I could use Corel Painter on it and draw and paint directly on the screen.  Since then I purchased all sorts of art apps for the iPad and found that I still prefer to do such activities my desktop computer with my Wacom Tablet, on the iPad my fingers block my view and it's easy to make marks unintentionally.  I don't know what advantages, if any, working with Poser on a tablet would be be--other than portability.  I do get that some artists like to use their tablets and smart phones as portable sketchbooks.

Until I can find a stylus with a nice fine tip rather than one of those fat, bulbous things you can find right now, I won't be able to draw on the iPad ;).

Laurie

I don't like the soft stylus either, it's like trying to draw with a soft eraser.  I like the tactile feedback better from the Wacom Pen on the tablet, it feels like a real drawing implement.

I agree ;).

Laurie

This looks more like a "real" future to me.

A transparent window that does it all; TV, multimedia, and PC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mTVPVobDrms&feature=related

Coming to you, "ha-ha-ha- "this year"

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Think ful HD and wall size ! ! ! !

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It's really hard to tell at this point what the future holds.  OLEDS were supposed to replace standard leds by now and they can produce really thin displays without a backlight--but only a few companies have used them yet.  They have created a flexible screen that can be rolled up and unrolled, but if you have to hold it like a scroll I don't think it's quite practical.

I can already use my Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit TouchScreen computer as a tablet.  Touching the screen to move a figure's arm, etc.  As it stands, I use the dials in Poser and rarely even use the mouse.  Trying to do fine adjustments with my fingers would be just ...

I may drop computers someday, but it will NEVER be to take up a tablet.  The media hype about tablets and cloud computing is just a lot of ... hype.

I use parameter dials a lot of pose the figures too, it is just too easy to grab the wrong thing with the mouse--like clothing parts instead of figure parts--I think it would be worse with my finger actually unless the boby part were really zoomed up--but then one could not see it's relationship with the other parts of the body well.

Yea, I actually tried it right after I purchased the TouchScreen.  Not so good.  But Poser 7 HAS a Tablet Mode Mouse Input function, and it can be used with a TouchScreen computer.

I rarely touch the screen at all.  And when I do, I kick myself.  Nothing worse than finger prints on my monitor screen ...

I don't feel for me personally a touch screen PC would be particularly useful--I don't want to have to be reaching across the desk all the time.  Love my iPad touch, but I still use a stylus on that rather than my big fingers.

Sometimes it seems technology is in search of a problem to solve.  I prefer to use things that don't get in the way of what I want to do.  A touchscreen for me would be as much use as an ashtray on a bike.

It's alright for scrolling documents.  The mouse and keyboard are one of those drawer things under the desk.  To reach out with a pen and easily pull a Web document up or down.  It is a good multimedia machine too ...

To each his/her own.  I do believe you are right, Sam, ... looking for a problem to solve.

Best Wishes,
Rªnce

Quote - A touchscreen for me would be as much use as an ashtray on a bike.

Ack....guess I should remove the ashtray from my bike then. sigh

:P

Laurie

Our band's keyboard player uses an iPad a lot.  Has a docking station for live use, so he can record straight from the desk and has a secondary setup to use with the keyboards.

In the studio, however, he uses the PC almost exclusively.

I have absolutely no use for one.  In fact, I hate using a laptop without a mouse.  Not that I have a laptop; I can't justify owning one.  Much as I like technology, I'm not a gadget freak.

Sister in Law, however, has to have shiny new everything.  She's also one of those people who will need to have her phone surgically removed.  Drives me up the fucking wall. :) 

But don't you like to read? Heard of the Gutenberg Project?

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Heard of books?  :p

"Heard of books? :p"

You sound like one who doesn't know the price of milk. How long is it since you actually bought a book? I don't know about US but here in Stockholm a hardcover book starts at $50 something. At Gutenberg everything is free. from Aristophanes  and Herodotus to Balzac and Louis Mencken. A treasure trove. You can carry several hundred books around you at any time to pick from. Having a tablet means never have a boring minute. And if you are tired of reading you have internet..you can fix your bills keep contact with your mistress(es) etc etc..

Come on..! Show a little backbone will you? (yes that was a quotation you can see films too..:)

I don't know a lot about the US, either; me being in the UK.  

What I do know is:

I have over 4,000 books of my own.

I inherited my father's entire collection last year - approx 10,000 books.

I have a well stocked library about an hour from here.

Somehow, I don't think I need to worry about running out of things to read any time soon.

Rarely have a moment to get bored, either.  If I'm at home I'm either kid wrangling, doing stuff around the house, playing guitar, doing stuff on the computer, painting pictures and drawing stuff for the kids, or all that other stuff people have to do in order to live, such as eat shit and breathe.

When I'm out I'm usually kid wrangling, shopping or running other errands, and attending to the other mundanities of life, recording music, writing songs or playing with the band.

Some time in between all that I get chance to sleep and once in a while, read.  I finally got my nose into Foundation a couple of weeks ago.  Everything here has been so damn busy I think I've made it to Chapter 7.

If, however, I have to get more things to read at some distant point in the future, my family always seem to buy me books (yay them!) and in all honesty, books here aren't all that expensive, relative to other stuff.

So anyhow, I need this Gutenberg thing (yes, I heard of it quite a while ago) why? 

So you have 4000+ 10000 books, all solid classics no doubt! But the thing is you can't carry then around with you. Saying nay to tablets is just like saying nay to electricity or hot and cold water. No matter what fabulous inventions there are always naysayers.

I'm not a naysayer.  It's a great idea.  I have no use for one.  

I prefer hard copy books myself, and I don't mind paying US prices.  I have no, repeat NO, use for a tablet and unless one falls out of the sky, I will probably never own one.

The two machines I do have - I travel a lot and do need a portable - take up more than enough of my free time.  If I am away from my desk (the portable is pretty big and I use it at a desk, table, etc.), like taking a walk or DRIVING, the last thing I want is a device of any kind.  My phone is a phone - no features - it makes phone calls.

There is a problem in the USA: it's called idiots driving around while yapping on their cell phones. Outrageously dangerous bunch of self-absorbed, to use a Brit term, WANKERS.

Quote - ...all solid classics no doubt!

Care to explain that particular remark?

Please don't insult my intelligence by claiming it was a straightforward comment, since you know very little about me or my reading habits. 

Well, to be honest, the ipad sorta just fell into my lap because a friend was selling it for a hundred bucks and we couldn't pass it up ;). The hubby had it for awhile, wanted an Android tablet, so the ipad came to me. It wasn't anything I was thinking about getting or owning. I can honestly say tho that since I've gotten it, I've rarely put it down - it's a third monitor, a book, a newsreader, a portable movie player, an alarm clock, a game console - I can go on and on...lol. I'm not an Apple fanboi by any stretch of the imagination but I've gotta say - as a person who's also used an Android tablet - the ipad is just nicer. It crashes less, everything just looks beautiful on it. I have no problems streaming video like I do on the Android tablet and where things on the Android tablet look ok, they look awesome on the ipad. I'm an overnight fan of the thing....lol.

Laurie