even though I've seen some great ones recently around the place, because I think I will probably use V4WM almost exclusively instead of V4 once the clothing converter is available.

Love esther

depends on how much tweaking is involved. For instance, I'm finding that some SP3/V3 poses work well on Anastasia with a minimal amount of tweaking ;).

Laurie

Voila an opportunity for the enterprising Pose creators... convert all of their poses to the WM version!

I do hope that they think to turn limits on before starting on making poses... 12 degrees of side-to-side on forearms... sheesh. It's painful just to look at. :blink:

On the other hand, the great posing master Schlabber once said, whoever designed the limits in poser must have been using a 94 yr old man as his model.

Love esther

Does your elbow allow your forearm to go 12 degrees side-to-side? Yep, I'm old, but even when I was young, there's just certain things the body doesn't do. Ask any orthopod. To test this, hold your arm straight out and see how far the forearm goes sideways.

And Schlabber? :blink: Not overly impressed with some of those poses of his, great or not.

V4 poses don't work on V4-WM? Uh-oh. That's gonna slow my conversion to the Church of Weight Map.

It's probably small things that you need to tweak a little. Do you all use just canned poses? Don't you ever start with a pose and make it what you want? I almost never use a pose as it is out of the library. If I do it's cause I wanna test or render something quick. Otherwise, I tweak anyway.

Laurie

Not true. Regular poses do work with V4-WM.  However, those original poses were created for a rather limited V4.  With weightmapping, you can push those posed to a better extreme.

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It's probably small things that you need to tweak a little. Do you all use just canned poses? Don't you ever start with a pose and make it what you want? I almost never use a pose as it is out of the library. If I do it's cause I wanna test or render something quick. Otherwise, I tweak anyway.

Laurie"

I actually never use a pose as it comes out of a library, even my own, which is made up of cleaned-up poses. Each scene expects a specific look. I see a canned pose a PURELY a starting point. Then, I set limits. Or check the knees and forearms to make sure someone wasn't torturing V4 - no wonder V4 always looks so catatonic: she'd have to be severely medicated to submit to some of the positions we heartless artists expect her to assume. :ohmy:

Well, Vicky is 6'2" in Poser measure, and she has legs that go on forever. It's hard to pose her naturally, because she's got about 8 extra inches of legs and torso. Put her in heels and she's tall enough for the NBA! (Now there's an image, Vicky in heels and stockings driving down the court for a slam dunk.)

I'm glad to hear that V 4 poses don't need to be converted for V4-WM. I wa worried there for a minute, based on what has been said here.

I've been using Ilona's Pretty Hands sets with no changes needed at all. Ironman13's (what a misnomer!) poses all work reasonably well, and V4 looks oh, so much better!

sorry for misleading people. I ijust assumed.

You didn't mislead, Esther. No one misleads like I do, and you're never at the "MissLeading" meetings anayway...

You're courageous, poses sets are same as materials sets, poses never match the reality and materials are 90% fake reflective or are a meddley of anything ... I never buy something, i made my own since P6 ;)

Pose sets are a good "point de depart". Enfin, en principe. Rien est parfait, sauf la musique de Mozart. (Piano Concerto 23, deuxieme mvmt)

I love canned poses.

They do make setting-up work a lot easier, don't they?

Yep.  And the thing is because I use advanced library manager I can just right click on a pose and get the choice of upper body, or just the arm etc.  That's a nice render Robyn.  Looks like a vue render, but I know you mostly render in poser.

Love esther

Quote - You didn't mislead, Esther. No one misleads like I do, and you're never at the "MissLeading" meetings anayway...

I missed last week but I'll be on time next week. I'm bringing the chips :P.

Laurie

I admit, I haven't been spending much time on the forums lately.  What is "V4WM?"

Linda, Its Victoria 4.2 Weight Mapped for Poser 9 and PP2012...

http://poserplace.phantom3d.net/V4.2WM/V4.2WM.html

Poses may need to be tweaked a bit because she has new rigging...

Statement one: Given the way I use poses, I have had exactly zero issues with V4 poses on V4WM.

Statement two: I've never seen a pre-made pose that worked out of the box for my purposes.

That said, I find it to be a major time saver to get the pose "sort of" where I want it. Takes far less time to tweak than to make from scratch.

A perfect example of this is a little set of free poses that I created depicting Michael showing affection to Vicky by way of caressing her breasts. These were modeled using native M4/V4. Guess what? They don't line up right if you have reshaped much of anything on either body. But guess what else? They take about two minutes to clean up and get ready to render!

Expecting an out-of-the-box pose to be exactly what you need is like comparing the $9.95 reading glasses you buy at the drug store to a pair your optomitrist made by measuring your refractive issues. It'll get close, but it's NEVER going to be "right."

I thougth Poser was all about creativity.

Buying things seems a lot like:

"Darling? I am going to kook diiner".
And then driving off to the nearest Mc Donalds.

Sorry, sometimes I FIND MYSELF FUNNEY;;;;

Quote - Sorry, sometimes I FIND MYSELF FUNNEY;;;;

(holding back on all six of the obvious responses!)

You are too nice. :-)

But I was expecting. :-)

Poses are a lot like lights:

They work in one scene only, for one figure only, for one rigging only,  in one Poser version only.

Another Poser version?
Another figure?
Another rigging?
Another scene?

And out comes the tweaking knife.

Helmet = ON
Gasmask = ON

Happy Posering to you all.

Hey?????
What was that word??
Posering??

I said??
Posering??
To Pose?
In Poser?
Aha; a pose in Poser.
:-)

Post away. . . .
Does the postman Pose?
I hope he does not have to buy that pose :-)
And posts my post for free. :-):-)

Here vilters...have a drink. You've been posing too hard.

Laurie

Right Laure, You are soo rigth.
But I have not been Posering today :-)
I have been morphing.

Another one;

Take the pose away from Poser and all that's left is an "r".
Oeps!!

We have an "R" application.

Nice avatar,
I "ll dive for cover when your cat wakes up. Those eyes do not predict good news..

Well, we can take the "do it yourself" argument to great lengths. Such as, instead of using V4 as a starting point, be a REAL artist and make your own figure from scratch. And the clothing, too.  And all the props. And textures. :laugh:

 As people have said here, pose sets are good for eliminating 75% of the drudge work. The tweaks make it a little different from what anybody else may be doing. And if it's not for public consumption, who cares anyway? Frankly, I don't mind trading off some original creativity in the interest of time. I don't have an hour or two to start from the scarecrow position and precisely rotate and translate every joint from zero, just so I can tell myself the pose is mine all mine.

T"ake the pose away from Poser and all that's left is an "r".
Oeps!!

We have an "R" application."

*..right. you do know you are not making any sense at all....?

All it is, move a few dials on the V4 pose to get the same V4WM pose, but it seems that is a little bit too hard.

Some of the poses I used in my own V4WM set, I had created for myself a while back for just V4.

I tried them on V4WM and only need a few minor tweaks to get them right.

All the best.

LROG

I'm with RV regarding canned poses.  Elbows do not move side to side.  Knees do not move side to side.  Fingers do not move side to side above the first joint and even then it's not a true side to side movement.  Nor do any of these joints twist.

Yup, Schlabber is good but some of his poses are highly "odd".  That's probably the most diplomatic way to put it. 

I have scaled down V4WM to a five foot figure in relation to V4 Assuming she is six two.  Like most people here I use ready made poses as a strating point.  So far I haven't noticed that V4WM takes any more time to get the pose right than before.  Even the clothes have converted easily with the suggested work-around.

I bought Pose Magic some years ago and I've hardly ever used canned poses since.  Canned poses can be annoying.  Sometimes the posemaker doesn't think like I do :) That's when I run into problems. Like when the hip is transposed to god knows where or all my facemorphs suddenly disappear.   That being said, I don't think using canned poses with V4WM is a major issue.  There will probably be a tendency to do over the top extreme poses for her to begin with (since now she can pull them off;) but I think V4WM will gradually become the norm for posering.

that's what I'm hoping.