so you purchased a product online and you discover it's bugged.

or is it?

Piracy is a major concern to software developers, it is not illogical for them to sell you a bugged product intentionally, that requires a fix from thier website to work properly, so the next time you purchase software you might want to download thier updates first before leaping to conclusions the softwares bugged, it is supposed to be bugged and it's done so to catch software pirates or prevent them from having a usable product without registering and paying for it.

and it's a really clever way to fight software piracy becauyse they have to get the update from the developer to make it work correctly, I suggest anyone developing software do this as well.

any comments?

If a resonsible PA did that, they would be out of business very quickly.

I doubt any PA would diliberatly sell a bugged version, so that you had to go to a web site to get an update to make it work properly.

I've never come across anything like you mention.

All the best.

LROG

Right. What about the people that paid real money for it? It wouldn't be in their best interest to piss THEM off. I think their time would be better spent making it harder to crack (which they do) and tracking down the little shits that rip it off (which a lot do), rather than punishing their legit customers.

That would just be....stupid.

Laurie

Quote - If a resonsible PA did that, they would be out of business very quickly.

I doubt any PA would diliberatly sell a bugged version, so that you had to go to a web site to get an update to make it work properly.

I've never come across anything like you mention.

All the best.

LROG

This.

Laurie

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doubt it is thier intentions to piss anyone off, but you can bet a watered down version of the product is probably what you get until you recieve the updates and you can't get updated without a valid user registration from the developer.

My dad is a software developer he says this has become recent practice for at least 10 years now.

it's not thier intention to cheat you, it is thier intention to be sure you purchased the product.

for example virus definitions alot of them are held back by most virus software developers you get the rest when you sign up for your updates and they do ask for your registrastion key.

Remind me never to buy anything from your dad.

For an example, I worked for a publishing house. If we ordered 3 copies of Photoshop and QuarkXpress, they had BETTER be working right away. That costs companies money. And I don't know ANY above board company that will piss off their paying customers for the sake of the few dunderheads who feel like they don't wanna pay for it.

Laurie

I even noticed some software packages that have tools that remain locked until thier server varify's your product key, even though you put the product key in when you installed it because they want to be sure the products registered and valid, I have only seen a few of these alot of therm are games but also seen this with document software as well but not as often as I see it with pc games.

Yeah, eon used to do that with Vue. And I'm the first to tell you it was a real pain in the ass. If I was a special effects company and bought every plant and plugin in their catalog I'd be real flippin pissed if I had to waste time puting in EVERY damn serial so I could use it. There's a fine line between what's necessary and what's too much damn trouble. I realize piracy is a problem, but it's never a good idea to make it too much of a hassle for your customers.

Laurie

But I see people in here more and more complaining they just purchased some 3d software and now it's bugged or it does not work as expected and every single time members say did you get the updates?

they come back later saying it works fine now, wonder why that is lol

Well, in Poser's case it's simply cause they missed it the first time. Not because they didn't intend to supply a full product at purchase. I think most "bugged" software are REAL bugs. Not intentional. And any company that would do that intentionally, IMVHO, has rocks in their heads.

Laurie

It could be some code is left out of the cd purchase or online download so when you register your product and recieve the update free by the eway not like they are charging you for the update all they ask is that you register it and we all know registrations free, so when you get that update suddenly what seemed not to work or crash on you seems fixed now hmmmm

Whatever. I think you're all sorts of wrong. Period.

Done now ;).

Laurie

yeah i wonder about that so many people say when they first buy it they cant find the main menue seen some daz studio gripes too but not as often they probably have either a more stable product or they don't use that registration to update practice I guess.

With poser I could be wrong assumming that, but thier are sofware developers taking this statagy to protect thier products.

I just don't know how mainstream it is yet.

Don't go to bed angry laurie lol

Never do ;).

Laurie

Tucan...

Is the point here that you are mad because you had to download updates for programs or other products? I'm not really getting the point of this thread other than to cast some aspersions on un-named individuals. Is there a point here somewhere?

I think I prefer Lightwave's security measures of including a USB dongle to get the software to launch.

btw, I wish there was some sort of security for Poser content to prevent theft and piracy so some of the big names might return.

NOT getting into an app wart here, but this is just an example.

DS4 came out and you had to buy Autofit.

DS4 Pro came out and Autofit was included.

You didn't get Autofit for free in the Pro version, you paid for it to be included with a serial code.

Some software comes with basic features to use and more advanced when  you pay for the upgrade to those features.

About upgrading and updates, it doesn't take long to update most programs if you want to after you have insatlled and paid for the upgrades.

Any company that deliberatly sets out to bug their software to get you to pay more updates is in the wrong business as customers will soon spread the word about it.

If you have real information about this then you need to get in touch with those in busines to get it stopped.

All the best.

LROG

Quote -
If you have real information about this then you need to get in touch with those in busines to get it stopped.

...otherwise, threads like this do little other than supply firewood.

Too right about the firewood.

Now if something gets past QA then it's fair game to say, oopsie, you made an error here, and warn others about it, in a correct way.

Hell, I've done it in the past and shown how to solve the problem in a few minutes.

But.......

You can't say a whole industry is making bugged programs without at least some proof about it.

That's when the mods have to come in due to legalities.

All the best.

LROG

I don't really understand this.

If you can get hold of pirated software and crack it, you can get hold of the updates and crack them too.  It's an extra step for the original crackers, but not  necessarily for the end user.

What moriador says. The person who shared the files, just shares the update/d ones later on. Buggyness comes from shipping software prematurely, because companies try to be faster than a competitor.

But I admit I had thought about that when, after a discussion about piracy in their forums, a company suddenly released products that all needed updates shortly after... ;) Maybe it was a test, maybe a trainee needed to learn a few more things...

whats it called cispa? think cispa is designed to put an end to that sort of thing basically what happens is all online traffic goes through the cia head quarters directed into fusion centers where the traffic is analised by cia agents if they catch someone doing something illegal they notify the cyber security divsion of that persons home town police force and thier internet provider to pobtain isp evidence, and they get probably more then a knock on thier front door, and just think they could have ovoided all that by simply a couple hundred bucks.

Now they gotta sleep with bruno every night until they get out of the poky.

well it's not actually bugged they assume you have an internet connection and the software corrects itself with any automated update so really they are not selling you a bugged product they are selling you what is called the boxed version of it without the updates that you are supposed to recieve anyway online.

right

Laurie

great smegging aardvarks.........

But if they require you to sign up to recieve your updates and ask for your product info then they can be sure you purchased it by checking the product code is valid, in order for this to work they need to number thier evaluation products and give them out by credit card so they have your identification you wont pay for it but they have your information so if that evaluation ends up cracked they can trace it back to the person they originally gave it to, they can also do with installers by having a secret code embedded so that if the product ends up online where it is not supposed to  be they can check the code and figure out who it was origianlly sold to and hold them responsible for allowing it to get onto the internet.

there are lots of ways to prevent that but it also costs money to pay people to check it.

But it wont matter CISPA does alot of things to put an end to it, the us government loses millions of tax dollars per year to piracy and you wonder why we have this recession, imagine if they got that money snd how much better off the market would be right now.

I think that's what they already do, isn't it? Check your serial when you get an update?

The fact remains that no matter what software companies do, someone always builds a better mousetrap. It sucks, but that's the way it is. I do NOT see a company (that wants to stay in business) purposefully breaking the software they sell you just to get you to the website for an update. Most will just make the software internet aware, which a lot already do. Even then, the crackers find a way to get around it. All we can do as consumers is support the software that we love and use.

For what it's worth, I doubt HIGHLY that software piracy is even a fraction of the reason for the recession. cough

anotherthing the poser community can fight this too, if Daz or anyone else asks for the product key before they sell a product to someone they can send the product key to the company that the product originated from to varify if the product key is legal, I really don'y see any legal issues asking for the persons product key if a legit varification is being done and they are told on the web page where they are making the purchase that it is being used for legal product varification purposes, not onlyu that but renderosity and other sights might even be able to get some cash out of it from the product manufacturer for helping to nail pirates.

by doing that they can't buy anything unless they can produce a valid legal product code so the product is pretty much almost pointless since they can't paticipate in the products community and commerce.

Um, trust me....no Poser store is gonna ask you for your product key. And I personally wouldn't give it. I have nothing to hide, but I'm not in the habit of giving every Tom, Dick and Harry my serial codes. Are you silly? Even my husband doesn't know my serial codes for the software I use ffs...

Laurie

but bugged or not it does seem like a great idea and I sometimes wonder if that is policy lol since we hear so much this is not working or that is not working lol.

well I look at this way you are giving them access to your credit card number and that information is no more sensitive then your product key so what's the difference?

if you trust them with your credit card and your personal info then the product key should not be a problem considering you just gave them your entire credit card number that you trust them enough to process correctly.

Quote - For what it's worth, I doubt HIGHLY that software piracy is even a fraction of the reason for the recession. cough

Haha. Yeah.

Given that the 17 year olds that are using pirated C4D, for instance, would NEVER pay for it, it's not as though the software company has lost any sales there.

Tucan, I think the CIA (or NSA rather) is busy analyzing everyone's email and banking transactions in order to to determine who is financing international terrorism and plotting to fly airplanes into skyscrapers. I doubt they give a flying F about software pirates, except possibly maybe to hire the very best ones to assist them in cracking encryption.  They don't need CISPA to pass for that because the NSA is already doing it.

Yeah, I don't think software pirates had much to do with Lehman Brothers collapse or subprime mortgages. 

But maybe we can blame them for the Eurodebt crisis. ;)

Quote - but bugged or not it does seem like a great idea and I sometimes wonder if that is policy lol since we hear so much this is not working or that is not working lol.

It's not a great idea. It's an invasion of privacy. And yes, it's bad enough you have to give them your CC information. Giving them your serial codes also is just one more thing for a thief to swipe, and the likelyhood of that goes up the more ppl you give it to. Besides, there is no system in place for a Poser content store to accept your serial without really having access to it and then sending it to SM for them to verify and then to send it back to RO that it's valid - all the while keeping everything safe from prying eyes.

If you'll forgive my french, that would be a huge clusterfuck.

I think you're dreaming and maybe just a little bit nutty.

Laurie

Still waiting for that prrof that companies are deliberatly bugging software.

Without that it's just fiction.

All the best.

LROG

Why would RO or Daz have anything to do with the serial codes of the software they didn't sell me?

Maybe I'm developing my own posing software and rendering with LuxRender.  Am I not allowed to buy content then?

Quote - Still waiting for that prrof that companies are deliberatly bugging software.

Without that it's just fiction.

All the best.

LROG

It's a CIA plot, remember. You can never prove those.

Quote - Why would RO or Daz have anything to do with the serial codes of the software they didn't sell me?

Exactly :P

Oh, and as for hearing that this isn't working or that isn't working? That's ALL Smith Micro sir. And DS and Silo... just 'cause you paid for software doesn't mean it isn't infested and buggy. You'd do well to remember that. Show me the perfect, bug-free program...it doesn't exist ;). Poser, Silo, Hex...all software that I've purchased (and no, I'm not giving you the serial codes) all crash on me. ALL.

Laurie

I guess that depends on the security of the sight then, I know it seems like an invasion of privacy but really sounds like it could work too, sounds like a good idea but then it's my idea lol

I blame the aliens from Mars!!!!! Lol.

About as much proof.

All the best.

LROG

How about sending them a copy of your birth certificate and a sample of your DNA to prove it's you as well?

By they way, that's not a viable option, just a joke!!! LOL.

All the best.

LROG

the idea is for anyone who sells support to a product to ask for the product key so it can be varified with the product manufacturer once the checks done the data is deleted until the next purchase where it is again requested so no chance of anyone stealing anything, but course it is controversal alot of people would not like it but it sure would paint pirates into a corner where they could not participate or buy anything for pirated software in a community that works together to stop it.

Quote - I blame the aliens from Mars!!!!! Lol.

About as much proof.

All the best.

LROG

There will be a public reading of The Catcher In The Rye this evening at 9:00 pm in the chatroom. Bring your tinfoil hat with you.

but here is where I am missing the point a pirate would not be stupid enough to give over an invalid product key unless he was dumb as a turd and obtained it from a pirate lol

they would catch some people but not the ones they really want to catch just the teenagers who don't know any better probably.

Show me the perfect, bug-free program...it doesn't exist ;).

Not a profesional one that has been deliberatly bugged to make you buy updates.

Bugs appear in anything coded, try writing a 1,000 line program and not make a mistake, now taimes that by X amount for the coding for larger programs and you will get bugs.

All the best.

LROG

Quote - but here is where I am missing the point a pirate would not be stupid enough to give over an invalid product key unless he was dumb as a turd and obtained it from a pirate lol

Exactly. So let's punish the valid users? Whatever.

Laurie

true but don't they beata this stuff out or extensivly test it before going to market maybe the tests are just basic ones and those community memebers who have issues are doing advanced stuff I guess with it then it bugs lol

All this is going away from your orignal posting that software was deliberatly bugged to make people buy updates.

Your reasoning has been shown to be incorrect, so now it goes away to priate software etc.

I give my serial to Poser to only one company and that is SM when I'm getting SR's. After that I don't need to give it anyone or any other company for any reason whatsoever.

Next it will be that you have to send them a specific code word that has been encrypted so that Echelon cannot decode it.

All the best.

LROG

Please don't let this turn any uglier than it has. I see a locked thread in it's future.