Speaking of morphs, options and making your own.  Besides the PMD and empty channels (there are 60 and trivial for anyone to include more if they needed room), I have a utility on the table that will tap into Michelle's native morph system and convert a cr2 into injections for it (it writes out the whole shebang).  It is in private test and will be a free tool.  I feel like I've posted this already.  It's that kind of week :)

i hesitate to buy Michelle

I like the size of the body but the head seems to be too like young  plastic doll head

For now, i will wait after some development

There's something I find a little bit odd about the hands. I can't work out exactly what it is though...

Quote - There's something I find a little bit odd about the hands. I can't work out exactly what it is though...

Too large. But that's a very common thing among model makers. Angela has hands too large as well, but Ali put in a morph to shrink them and the feet. Perhaps Michelle has that too.

Laurie

I invested a fair amount of money in Eva only to end up being burned.  Once burned, twice shy.  I think I'll hold back for bit and see how things go. 

Thinking aloud: The face is pretty. But it's a caucasian face, and there is no dark skin. She has enough morphs, and If I bought her, I would probably buy the add-on morph pack too. I could make an OK dark skin, but I would like a really good one. She is stylised, but realistic enough for me. I hate the feet (so much) but they are being fixed.

What does she offer that I can't already have with Antonia, Bella, the Alyson derivatives, the Victorias, Mikis, P6Jessi or the G2 ladies? Those are the figures I use a lot. I just don't see what she has that is significantly different. Despite being stylised, she has about 70000 polygons, so she doesn't have  the low-poly advantage. The main promo image of her looks very similar in style and face type to Illusions Designs' V3 or V4 characters - soft face, luscious lips, wide eyes. I can already achieve that look, since I have many of their characters and I can get more really inexpensively. Weightmapped, so she bends well. I don't do extreme poses though. The body reminds me of Antonia - very average. No Wardrobe Wizard support yet. So I am waiting. I have been back to look at her several times.

And I now find myself also considering Little One, which I do not have, and Mankahoo's Angela 2.  I don't really need any of them, but at least the other two are distinctive. There is also BVH's Angela, which is low-poly. I think what I am saying is she does not have the immediate appeal that would make me rush to buy her. And if I react like this, perhaps others will too, and the chances of the figure gaining lots of support would be slim. But I could be wrong.

Well, she is lightyears better than the native Poser people, so a brand new Poser user who has not yet been directed to climb on the V4 bandwagon would likely be utterly enthralled with her.

We who have several hundred GB of content in our runtimes are likely going to wait to see what happens. For instance, a detailed Blackhearted sculpt of Michelle (given that her face looks way, way, way better than Alyson's) would make her an instant seller, and I'd buy her immediately. But for now, I'll wait.

And then, after trying so hard to talk myself out of it, I bought her and her morphs. I think I went back and looked at her ten times before I succumbed. Reasons for buying at last? Most of all, the team that made her. Those are top creators. Like I supported Blackhearted with Anastasia and Shae, this is my vote of support for people who are making things to take advantage of Poser's features. Looks like I'll have to make a dark skin for Michelle. And it will be free. I am still busy with another one for Bella, then I'll get onto Michelle.

Having played with her a bit, here is what she has that is special - a nice warm smile.

Thank you. I spent a whole day on that one morph. The smile morphs you get are not the first ones I made. The original smile morphs where pretty bad. LOL! Then Colm said something to me that gave me a eureka moment. He said to me "With the expressions you need to open up the face." I know it sounds silly but that one line of advise changed the way I do morphs. So, I deleted all of Michelle's expression morphs and started over, creating them one by one. With each expression I would spend hours studying photos of the human face with that expression then, try my best to make Michelle's face look that way. As far as her smile goes, I looked at a ton of pictures of Natalie Portman's smile. I always thought she had a warm, perfect smile.

          Thank You!

         -tate

well I didnt rush to grab this one as

a) I'm feeling poor after buying a new car all of a sudden (yikes)

and b) Joe is already all over it so someone else can do magnets for once :)

But it does look like a cute new figure. Couple little things here and there I'd probably touch up with small morphs, but then I do that to every figure I get my mitts on. Doesnt suffer from DAZ's eternal pinhead-itis which drives me buggo. Has a younger, cuter feel to her, but that may just be me

The bends all look pretty good and the fact that the figure is out already with Crossdresser and hair convertor support is a great thing.

So I'll probably pick this up in a month or so when cash permits (y'all go buy my stuff now okay? lol)  with the eye to makeing a Devkit for her like my ALy2 one and maybe some other bits and bobs.

And kids .. be nice. even making a pair of socks is a giant pain in the wossnames, a whole human figure no matter how much you like or don't like it - thats a heroic effort.

Lyrra

Quote - > Quote - There's something I find a little bit odd about the hands. I can't work out exactly what it is though...

Too large. But that's a very common thing among model makers. Angela has hands too large as well, but Ali put in a morph to shrink them and the feet. Perhaps Michelle has that too.

Laurie

Yeah, maybe that's it. There seem to be morphs for everything so there's probably something for hand size. They just look.... odd...

@NanetteTredoux

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Thinking aloud: The face is pretty. But it's a caucasian face, and there is no dark skin.

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There's a dark-skinned character for her in the works.

See this thread on RDNA

I thought I saw something of Sandra Bullock's smile there too. The ability to smile convincingly is crucial for my Poser work because I do stories. It was the first thing I tested after loading her into my scene. Very nice. She is assured of a part in my story with that smile, even if I have to use her as a "white" woman!

Edit: Oh good! that dark skin is just right.

          -tate

Now she's starting to become interesting...

Innr thigh bulges way too much. Look at how legs should be shaped. Note the change in contour by the knee.

Also, the wrist needs to be adjusted. From the front and back it looks really thick - like there's no transition between the arm and hand. Also, the back of the ankles on a human thin out to the achilles tendon. And more transition between the bottom of the leg and foot. And yeah, the knees need to be angled down and inward a bit.

I realize you probably don't wanna hear any advice from me as I was not constructive at all in my criticism before, but here it is, as it is ;).

Laurie

That's definitely better. Maybe a bump out on the inside of the knee. A knee bumps out a bit on the inside as it angles down. Yours goes in rather than out. That pic V01f showed is good to follow :).

Laurie

I've got her and have played with the various morphs and tried a lot of poses. She is, IMHO, what everyone has been yelling for: A girl who is pretty out of the box, but who does not look like a high fashion model. She morphs beautifully.

I agree with you, LaurieA about the glitches on various shape areas, but Tate has already indicated he is listening to those comments, so I expect her to improve with age.

I'm not nuts about the texture pack that comes with her, but again, I expect that to take care of itself as more characters become available for her. (Thanks, Snarley, for the quick addition to EZSkin,... that helps a lot!)

Tony, I hate to have to agree with you () but you are 100% correct... vendor suppport is going to determine her fate. I will say this... Tate and Co. SEEM to be doing this right.

jjrowland... I see a STUNNING opportunity for you to make a buck off her, as well. (Inside joke, folks... move along.)

In short, I think she COULD be the real deal that Poser users who want an alternative to V4 have been waiting for. 

Thanks to Tate and Company.

Well, I really disagree with one point - your last one. I think Anastasia is the alternative to V4 we've been looking for....lol. But, I could be wrong :P I am, frequently...lol.

Laurie

Quote - Well, I really disagree with one point - your last one. I think Anastasia is the alternative to V4 we've been looking for....lol. But, I could be wrong :P I am, frequently...lol.

Laurie

Don't get me wrong. I'm a big fan of Anastasia as well! I'm just sad she has not "caught on" a bit more quickly than she has. (I'm still waiting for a bra and panties set that I like for her.)

Quote - Here is a headshot from the above mentioned morph I'm working on.

WOW, love the head shot of the new morph, now I am getting interested.  I like the warm smile too, it's beginning to look as though it provides something more than what I have already.

Ohhhhhh, PhilCccccccccccccc............................................. WW plugin?

Attached Link: https://www.facebook.com/RDNAsMyMichelle?notif_t=page_new_likes

Attached Link: http://www.philc.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=105&start=345

Phil is one of my favourite people in the whole wide world!

Quote - Well, I really disagree with one point - your last one. I think Anastasia is the alternative to V4 we've been looking for....lol. But, I could be wrong :P I am, frequently...lol.

Laurie

I'll reserve judgement till I see these new poser figures that are apparently coming out ...From there we can see what will catch on and what will blow away like a fart in the wind:)

Quote - I was just on PhilC's forum. Looks like good news for "My Michelle" users! :D sweet!

Awesome  

That is great news!

well the innher thigh curve is within the range of possibility ... I'd lessen it just a bit so the legs dont touch. intersecting like this is a) unnatractive and b) will give morph programs fits

Lyrra

 Here is an update on the FBM I've been working on. It's just a quick screen grab. Been looking at a lot of Anatomy references and dug out my old Andrew Loomis and Jack Hamm books just to help me with the anatomy. :D

     -tate

Back View..

 -tate

Looks good I think I've now lost track of everything in this thread / at Rdna a bit... but did you tweak the ankles and / or achilles tendons some then?

Those definitely look improved to me...

cheers

EDIT: Oh yeah... just read the top of this page of thread... LOL :lol:

Thanks, the ankles and, achilles tendons have been tweaked a lot. ;) Here is another screen grab.

  -tate

Am I the only one for whom the head will not scale? If you make the scale dial visible, only the cranium scales... the face stays the same size, yet it all seems to be grouped together.

Quote - Thanks, the ankles and, achilles tendons have been tweaked a lot. ;) Here is another screen grab.

  -tate

Cool

Yes, the feet and ankles are looking good there - many thanks.

The hands are possibly looking a little bit too big now, relative to the feet... I think?? Otherwise the hands look very nice I reckon.

That said, I would like having the option of bigger hands too... so I'd be as keen to be able to scale the feet up, in the above, as much as the hands down... depending on the exact look I was going for... and I think you've already got the hand and feet size morphs available in her anyway?

Overall I think your Michelle is a cracker, Tate... and getting better by the hour it seems

Perhaps it is due to view angle.

But?? Is the left shin "thicker" then the right shin?
It shows in all 3 of your latest previews?

Quote - Perhaps it is due to view angle.

But?? Is the left shin "thicker" then the right shin?
It shows in all 3 of your latest previews?

Thats not possible, I'm working with a symmetrical mesh.

Must be the view from the camera then.
Worth to take a look at it, the right shin looks "odd" to me from these angles.

It "looks" smaller while I am sure it is not.

@Basicwiz

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Am I the only one for whom the head will not scale? If you make the scale dial visible, only the cranium scales... the face stays the same size, yet it all seems to be grouped together.

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Scale the neck to and watch the magic :-)

Quote - Scale the neck to and watch the magic :-)

Absolutely right! (But how bizarre is THAT?)

Quote - > Quote - Scale the neck to and watch the magic :-)

Absolutely right! (But how bizarre is THAT?)

It's a bit unusual...lol.

Laurie

So you can't scale them seperately? Do they only scale in Constrain proportions?

Quote - So you can't scale them seperately? Do they only scale in Constrain proportions?

Sorry... selecting the neck worked perfectly. Don't understand your question.

Just note that Poserworld.com have now a first clothing for Michelle '

By the way ,Poserworld put recently many new products  so it would be interesting if they support Michelle like they recently did for Anastasia

For me , i will wait the update before buying Michelle .Right now i think she need may corrections on legs and face (i share some suggestions read here) and a very good texture for its body and face

And wait to see what PhilC do for transferring cloths to Michelle 

Hey guys!

I agree on the head scaling.  It is fixed where it works as intended (locally).  :)