So I'm setting up texturing projects for later ...

and I'm dithering between Mildragon and Subdragon.

 

Whcih made me wonder .. which dragon do people prefer? and why?

 

Lyrra

I have Mildragon. But I do like the look of Subdragon. I may have to pick it up at some point.

 

My only complaint with the mildragon is that the wing membranes are single-sided, which precludes SSS on them. Sigh.

Yeah, that's one problem with the Milidragon, there's also the problem of its IMO pitifully small eyes. However it does look more ferocious than the old DAZ dragon that had spindly back legs.

MilDragon out of those two - and it's always in need of good hi-res textures. I don't use the SubDragon much, never been very impressed by it.

(I definitely prefer Swidhelm's Skywyrm to either of those though).

 

 

 

I prefer subdragon out of the stated two.

However prefer the look of Skywyrm I'd say, over both, too...

...I also like Dregon myself, too

I noticed there's a texture template for him on sharecg already, via a post at the apparently resurrected Poser Place forum:

http://www.sharecg.com/v/56819/browse/11/Poser/Template---Dregon

I like both the Millennium and Sub Lizards ;). Ya can't have too many dragons...lol.

Laurie

Are there any good add-on textures for Dregon kicking about, by the way?

Out of the two I guess subdragon but my preferance is actually Piccilo. He can be a pain to work with in some situations but he's got one sided, two sided, and dynamic wing membrains right out of the box. For animation I like Wyvern though he's technically not a dragon.

pdg

Oh yeah, Wyvern too ;). And Sea Dragon - both Mallen Lane's and BL Barrets :D. A dragon is a dragon is a dragon....lol.

Laurie

There was an old thread here that had all the various dragons listed years ago. Daz's dragonworld pretty much swamped the marketplace with dragon products.

I really liked the old oriental dragon from poser pros, and one that someone sold on his own website.. I can't recall him now, and haven't used him in ages.

 Remembered him! Curio's Majestic Dragon!

Subdragon  :)

Oh yes...Oriental Dragon. I have him too. I'm sort of a dragon freak. Tend to buy every one that comes down the pike if I know about it ;).

Laurie

Hmm I've been hunting and can't locate the old dragon list thread Anton started years ago. Can anyone else find he link?

This makes me wonder, are we actually getting more poser content with new releases, or are they just replacing old ones that have gone missing over the years?

I'm thinking Ragbash, Majestic Dragon, Eastern Dragon, Sixus water dragon, ect.

 

Attached Link: Poser Dragon animation

> Quote - Which poser dragon do you prefer?  Lyrra

This one...

I actually JUST heard back from Curio.. I'm trying to locate my majestic dragon downloads, and sent him a message. If I remember right, there was the dragon, a purple texture for him, and tack.

I'm amazed hes still around somewhere!

 

Wow, Garee...Magestic Dragon is from way back...lol

Another moldy oldie ;). Never liked the wings, so I didn't render em... Ah, how I missed texture stretching....not. LOL

Laurie

Adult Hatchling.

Yep, the Adult Hatchling is cool too ;). I have that one too..I'm so pathetic...lol

Laurie

Yep, ancient, like me.  I also liked the hatchling enough to do the Hatchling dragon PLUS over at daz.

 

 

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Not that I'm aware. :-(  What were you thinking? Maybe, just maybe, I can squeeze in time to work on one during the weekends.  Dregon, as free as he is, didn't really seem to take off to well.  He's more low poly - like a game model - so it's likely because the low polygon count limits how far you can morph him. I guess folks figured if I can't morph him, why make textures.

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Not that I'm aware. :-(  What were you thinking? Maybe, just maybe, I can squeeze in time to work on one during the weekends.

Hmmm.... I'm not sure I had anything that specific in mind... as yet... just found the template on sharecg and wondered if anyone had put it to use...

...let me think about the question, Teyon, and get back to you with some more quality answers

Maybe other folk have some ideas for good alternative skins for him too?

What about a saddle / tack for Dregon too... would that work? Is there anything like that already?

You know, that would be neat and I thought there was but maybe I should add that to the growing list of things I need to make in my spare time.  Though my current experience with Bertha is making me doubt my rigging knowledge, lol.

Bertha?

On Dregon, for starters... I really like what's going on texture-wise here...

Pretty elaborate stuff though...  I guess?

That's not a texture...lol. If it is, they're doing things I've never seen before. Is wondering how you bend the tips of those horny scales with a displacement map.

Laurie

Quote - That's not a texture...lol. If it is, they're doing things I've never seen before. Is wondering how you bend the tips of those horny scales with a displacement map.

Laurie

He he. No... LOL... it's a photo of a real world texture...

I'm not sure you could bend the tips with displacement alone???

The bending tips isn't essential though... cool as it is.

The colors and self-similar-esque variation in the sizes of the scales is what I liked most about it...

dragonlinggggg!

and fantasy dragon fly

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Laurie

 

Vector Displacement could do it.  Hopefully we'll get that in a future Poser release.

Yeah, I begged sm for it already. or even full 3d normal mapping would be nice.

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Fingers crossed. :D

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Fingers crossed. :D

Mine too! ;)

Laurie

you'd need a normal map to bend the tips like that - poser can now take them I think, but you'd need something to make them. Either ZB or some good sculpting and bake it via xnormal.

 

Hi Garee! I should have known you'd show up in this one :)

 

the very very old dragon rollcall thread is dead. But heres the 2006 thread, with plain white renders of a number of beasties

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/showthread.php?thread_id=629602&page=1

I'd completely overlooked Dregon .. I think he might not get any support because so many people ignore the poser installed library.  I'll give it a poke tonight and see if I get inspired.

Lyrra

 

I helped with several of Viomar's remaps of the DAZ Dragon. I'm not sure those remapped versions are even in freestuff anymore. They're still in my Poser4 runtime on my external drive.

I love dragons, and don't think you can have too many. My only gripe is coming up with really good "realistic" shaders for them.

If spikes are modeled, and not displaced, can you not bend the tips of them with magnets?

Yep.. you can always combine morphs and displacement maps.

Hi Teyon

Yep! A real limitation of a great model- low poly. Arrrgh. I wonder if he started life as a higher poly model that might still be out there?

 

Eric

 

Not that I'm aware. :-(  What were you thinking? Maybe, just maybe, I can squeeze in time to work on one during the weekends.  Dregon, as free as he is, didn't really seem to take off to well.  He's more low poly - like a game model - so it's likely because the low polygon count limits how far you can morph him. I guess folks figured if I can't morph him, why make textures.

Maybe wings are necessary for dragon popularity. My dragon was barely noticed. Oh well...

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Your Dragon of Plenty looks intruiging Paloth... and a good basket tack(?) and range of fruit there with him too!

Perhaps he does need some conforming wings added, to really take off?

haha monkeycloud - "take off" very good.

Love esther

Does the Subdragon work properly in Poser?

 

The subdragon def. Just like the "shape" of that one the best.

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Yes. As far as I know it does. Might now work with say poser two three four or five. But I know I've never ran into any problems using the subdragon with Poser six.  

I should include the disclaimer I may have just been lucky too though, one never knows. :)

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Which dragon is "yours"? 

Attached Link: Dragon of Plenty

*Which dragon is "yours"?*

*It ain't got a thing if it ain't got a wing?

Quote - Which dragon is "yours"?

*It ain't got a thing if it ain't got a wing?

Wings aint a personal prerequisite for me... especially not when compensated for by multiple limbs and his own supply of fruit

Ahhhhh...I still like the look of the old DAZ Dragon - a bit low poly by today's standards, with some texture stretch, etc, but still, it's a great shape and head.

Another oldie that I like the look of - who also needs some quality texture work - is the Story Book Dragon.

I generally aim at natural media effects through mats, PS Plugins, or overpainting, so sometimes the model quality isn't so much of an issue as the look, which means that these two have a safe place in my runtime.

I have to add my vote for the Swindhelm dragons though - they are awsome!

maybe somebody could poserise the stanford dragon.

I thought the Hellfish Studios Great Dragon could make the subdragon very decent. (that's not it in my picture) I bought it even though I'm short of cash this month. I didn't notice that it mainly works in DAZ Studio, and Poser isn't really supported. The "read me" from his morphs in free stuff says the morphs may work in Poser. So far no. A shame because I really like the head and body shape. What I have is some very nice poses and textures, but no morphs, and I was getting really bored with the standard subdragon shape. Also getting the files in the proper directories from the zip files is unusually tough, meaning I see no "runtime" or "my libraries" folders in DAZ Studio 4 as specified in the zip file. I'd like to give it a go, but I don't understand DAZ file structures at all. I have all three zip files that I bought, and so far can't find the black texture. My "great love" for DAZ studio is another topic, but like I said, I'd give it a try just for this nice dragon. Sorry to trouble you with this, but it's like a bad dream. I used to be okay with tweaking Mildragon one and two, but Mildragon one is gettting pretty old now.

Enclosed is a render of a red zombie dragon I made out of Mildragon 2 last night. I was trying to get a dragon version of Satan for Halloween. Don't ask me why.

Oops! There is no black dragon texture because it was from another "Light Dragon" pack.

Downloading the material presets from freestuff first was hella confusing. Couldn't figure how to edit my post.

Okay, figured out crazy DAZ studio file structure. It's all in "documents". I might get the dragon to work if I can work with wonderful DAZ studio.