Quote - The V4 and M4 clones are included with Genesis, so you don't need the V4 and M4 shapes to use Autofit in DS to convert clothing to Genesis. The Mil3 clones come with their shapes, so to convert clothing from them to Genesis you will need to purchase their shapes.

Cool, thanks for clearing that up

Quote - I believe, at present, using DS4.5 to first apply the V4/M4 shapes, then autofit and then export as duf, is required for preparing any existing Gen4 clothing... as far as I understand it...

...am I correct in thinking this?

OK, so in DS, I loaded genesis, morphed to V4, loaded an outfit, which auto-fit...now what?  Save the whole scene as Duf, or article by article?  Once I got the Duf's then what?

Also, I suppose I need the "latest" ds4.5 for this?

Yeah, I agree with what Deecey said... I'm glad to have the expanded choice... and not be locked out of getting something just because it is for Daz's Gen5 character set.

Quote - > Quote - I believe, at present, using DS4.5 to first apply the V4/M4 shapes, then autofit and then export as duf, is required for preparing any existing Gen4 clothing... as far as I understand it...

...am I correct in thinking this?

OK, so in DS, I loaded genesis, morphed to V4, loaded an outfit, which auto-fit...now what?  Save the whole scene as Duf, or article by article?  Once I got the Duf's then what?

Also, I suppose I need the "latest" ds4.5 for this?

4.5.1.6 is needed. The Docs have a nice tutorial on how to prepare it for Poser. It is run an action and set up minimal metadata.

Quote - But the one thing that drives me to "impulse buy" is realism.  If I see a character that is extremely realistic looking, it usually goes straight in the cart.

I like looking at realistic characters, and often end up buying them...but I hardly ever use them, so I probably shouldn't. 

That is a very nice render.  My first thought was, "Holy crap!  That doesn't even look like Genesis." 

For good reason, apparently.  :laugh:

Quote - > Quote - But the one thing that drives me to "impulse buy" is realism.  If I see a character that is extremely realistic looking, it usually goes straight in the cart.

I like looking at realistic characters, and often end up buying them...but I hardly ever use them, so I probably shouldn't. 

That is a very nice render.  My first thought was, "Holy crap!  That doesn't even look like Genesis." 

For good reason, apparently.  :laugh:

I might be tempted over the coming weekend to see how it transfers over to Genesis. I might attempt it, just for grins (as soon as I figure out how to do it). I'd be really interested to see the comparison.

Quote - What are you talking about? It works, really.

You only need DS if you want to create content for Genesis, or convert Genesis Content that DAZ hasn't converted to the new format yet (No kludge involved, or if you want to use Autofit (which converts clothing from other figures to Genesis.).

Autofit is a DS plug-in and has nothing to do with Poser.

Genesis Morph following works in Poser with this importer.

Specifically which Plug-ins has DAZ not updated in a timely manner?

Go back one page and start reading. 

And I have stated that autofit I am well aware is a ds only feature, stating that for me, it does not exist. YMMV, as long as it's your computer and not mine.

Plugins, go back to ds3.x and start counting.  I have a paid for ds3a, the prime attribute of that program is wait for the crash, power down and restart the computer, letting windows go over the HD to straighten out whatever it finds. No need for me to hold my breath, the "fix" for ds3 is called ds4, and I get about the same result there.  Am I going to bother with ds4.5?  No.  I have it, but reading here and in the daz forums, I"ll wait to see if they actually fix something or just come up with another 500 meg download, that will have replaced the old bugs with another batch of brand new bugs.  I downloaded dson, burned it to disk, and until I start reading and seeing some of the bugs there taken care of, disk is as far as it will get. 

I agree with vilters, any "plug in" that takes even the tiniest bit of control over what you can and can't do with your own computer is one that is NOT going to be put in my machine.  Thanks, Vilters. 

I have the -4 figures, and the chunk of change that went out to get them, I still remember.  To start on the -5 figures, and the last time I looked, evem a bigger chunk of change needed, justify that.  I can't.  I have Anastasia on the list, and I now have Miki4 and Tyler, I've got plenty to play with for some time to come.

D.

Quote - > Quote - What are you talking about? It works, really.

You only need DS if you want to create content for Genesis, or convert Genesis Content that DAZ hasn't converted to the new format yet (No kludge involved, or if you want to use Autofit (which converts clothing from other figures to Genesis.).

Autofit is a DS plug-in and has nothing to do with Poser.

Genesis Morph following works in Poser with this importer.

Specifically which Plug-ins has DAZ not updated in a timely manner?

Go back one page and start reading. 

And I have stated that autofit I am well aware is a ds only feature, stating that for me, it does not exist. YMMV, as long as it's your computer and not mine.

Plugins, go back to ds3.x and start counting.  I have a paid for ds3a, the prime attribute of that program is wait for the crash, power down and restart the computer, letting windows go over the HD to straighten out whatever it finds. No need for me to hold my breath, the "fix" for ds3 is called ds4, and I get about the same result there.  Am I going to bother with ds4.5?  No.  I have it, but reading here and in the daz forums, I"ll wait to see if they actually fix something or just come up with another 500 meg download, that will have replaced the old bugs with another batch of brand new bugs.  I downloaded dson, burned it to disk, and until I start reading and seeing some of the bugs there taken care of, disk is as far as it will get. 

I agree with vilters, any "plug in" that takes even the tiniest bit of control over what you can and can't do with your own computer is one that is NOT going to be put in my machine.  Thanks, Vilters. 

I started counting, I came up with zero. I have no knowledge of any DAZ plug-ins that have not been updated in a timely manner. 3rd party plug-ins? That is a different matter and DAZ has no control over that. As for 4.5? It isn't needed for this. In fact DAZ Studio isn't needed in any form for this unless you want to use it. The only reason you need DAZ Studio for Genesis is if you are creating Content.

How do you figure this plug-in takes over your computer? Because you can't install the content to places where your OS says not to install them? I don't get that comment at all. Please elaborate.

Oh and I forgot to mention that Poser dynamic clothing does indeed work with Genesis. Collide with the SubD bone for best results.

Quote - Miki 4 is brilliant. Blackhearted's Anastasia is brilliant. There is a lot of brilliant out there, and I support brilliant. 8-)

Wonderful image, Deecey and very well said. We are very lucky to have so many brilliant characters available to us and I am very happy with Miki 4, Anastasia, Michelle and Tyler. I have never lusted after Genesis but it has novelty value at the moment and I have enjoyed messing around with it. However, I don't think it will replace those other wonderful figures for me.

On another note, has anyone managed to get high heel shoes to conform to Genesis correctly? Does anyone have any tips on how to get high heel shoes to fit?

Quote - > Quote - Miki 4 is brilliant. Blackhearted's Anastasia is brilliant. There is a lot of brilliant out there, and I support brilliant. 8-)

Wonderful image, Deecey and very well said. We are very lucky to have so many brilliant characters available to us and I am very happy with Miki 4, Anastasia, Michelle and Tyler. I have never lusted after Genesis but it has novelty value at the moment and I have enjoyed messing around with it. However, I don't think it will replace those other wonderful figures.

On another note, has anyone managed to get high heel shoes to conform to Genesis correctly? Does anyone have any tips on how to get high heel shoes to fit?

High Heeled shoes made for Genesis or something else?

Well, it sure doesn't work on my machine... Poser 2012 SR3 and Win7.  I can look at the linked folder from Studio just fine, the files are there, but as soon as I load anything... wham!  First it takes forever for the linked folder to even load, then half of the menu vanishes, and then it all freezes up.  

So far, not too impressed.

How do you select "subD bones" when working with dynamic clothing on Genesis figures?  I don't see that option in my pull-down menu.

Here I did Sav Sonia. You can see the translations are very close. Genesis on the right. Whats nice is that With Genesis you can eliminate the V4 head shape and just have the morph simply by dialling it down.

Quote - I might be tempted over the coming weekend to see how it transfers over to Genesis. I might attempt it, just for grins (as soon as I figure out how to do it). I'd be really interested to see the comparison.  

Me, too!  Please post the results if you do it.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - Miki 4 is brilliant. Blackhearted's Anastasia is brilliant. There is a lot of brilliant out there, and I support brilliant. 8-)

Wonderful image, Deecey and very well said. We are very lucky to have so many brilliant characters available to us and I am very happy with Miki 4, Anastasia, Michelle and Tyler. I have never lusted after Genesis but it has novelty value at the moment and I have enjoyed messing around with it. However, I don't think it will replace those other wonderful figures.

On another note, has anyone managed to get high heel shoes to conform to Genesis correctly? Does anyone have any tips on how to get high heel shoes to fit?

High Heeled shoes made for Genesis or something else?

Yep, they are shoes made for Genesis.

I've tried parenting them instead of conforming but not having much luck there either.

Quote - Damn.

If I don't immediately switch Subdivision OFF once Genesis is loaded, Poser inevitable will crash after moving the camera around or doing other stuff.

It's as if OpenGL can't keep up with the SubD.

Without it, Genesis is as stable as any other figure.

 

Mine has been at level 1 this whole time and I haven't crashed yet. Hmmm...

Laurie

It seems there may be a problem with conforming shoes in Poser.

In DS it is possible to move the foot into the shoe when it is conformed as the shoe stays in its original position. In Poser this is not possible because when the foot is bent the shoe also moves. Is there any way around this?

Quote - 4.5.1.6 is needed. The Docs have a nice tutorial on how to prepare it for Poser. It is run an action and set up minimal metadata.

Got 4.5.1.6, but can't find this in the docs?  Can you give me a little nudge/link to where it is, and I will go from there?  I am searching, Export to Poser, export DUF, etc..?  Not finding anything...

Quote - How do you select "subD bones" when working with dynamic clothing on Genesis figures?  I don't see that option in my pull-down menu.

Where you tell the clothing what to collide against, unselect everything but the SubD bone on Genesis.

This is how I have converted Genesis stuff to Poser.

Converting Content for use with the DSON Importer for Poser

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - On another note, has anyone managed to get high heel shoes to conform to Genesis correctly? Does anyone have any tips on how to get high heel shoes to fit?

High Heeled shoes made for Genesis or something else?

Yep, they are shoes made for Genesis.

I've tried parenting them instead of conforming but not having much luck there either.

Since Shoes are special cases even on older generation figures, what shoes?

The shoes are from the Casual 1950 for Genesis Female from Daz.

I don't think I'm allowed to link to them but if you go to new releases they are at the top of the second page if you have 15 items per page.

BTW after I added the DS content to the poser library all my converted GenX morphs became available in poser.

Ah.  I ran the installers and pointed to the path where I installed the genesis content.  Does Poser need the metadata?

Quote - Flibbits:

If you are using Windows Vista, or Windows 7, create a Genesis directory anywhere but under a directory named "programs". Then install your .trx and .ds files there. If your DS 4.X files are loaded to a "documents" directory you can load them there. Where ever you load the files, add that runtime to your Runtines in the Poser Library.

lmk

Quote - This is how I have converted Genesis stuff to Poser.

Converting Content for use with the DSON Importer for Poser

OK, thanks!  I read it through, found the menus, but it does not say anything for items that are not Daz Studio Format...as an example, Fighting Fae armor does not have a Daz Studio Format dsf, dsa, etc type of file?

I think I better step back and let the trailblazers run wild here, and follow along later with my slow pack-mule along the well trodden trail.

I'll be lurking!  :tongue1:

Quote - The shoes are from the Casual 1950 for Genesis Female from Daz.

I don't think I'm allowed to link to them but if you go to new releases they are at the top of the second page if you have 15 items per page.

Thanks let me look.

Quote - Where you tell the clothing what to collide against, unselect everything but the SubD bone on Genesis.

The problem is, I don't see anything that says "SubD bone" among the options.

Quote - > Quote - This is how I have converted Genesis stuff to Poser.

Converting Content for use with the DSON Importer for Poser

OK, thanks!  I read it through, found the menus, but it does not say anything for items that are not Daz Studio Format...as an example, Fighting Fae armor does not have a Daz Studio Format dsf, dsa, etc type of file?

I think I better step back and let the trailblazers run wild here, and follow along later with my slow pack-mule along the well trodden trail.

I'll be lurking!  :tongue1:

Fighting Fae Armor for V4?

I asked about V4 clothes earlier and was told it had to be taken into DS and autofit used on it. I assume I would then save it as a duf file and then make the Poser Companion file as detailed in that tutorial. V4 clothing won't fit Genesis in its raw state unless it is a dynamic outfit.

I'm sorry I can't be of more help. I basically know my way around DS but that's about it.

Quote - > Quote - The shoes are from the Casual 1950 for Genesis Female from Daz.

I don't think I'm allowed to link to them but if you go to new releases they are at the top of the second page if you have 15 items per page.

Thanks let me look.

Thanks, it may be those shoes but they are the only high heeled ones I have for Genesis.

Quote - Fighting Fae Armor for V4?

I asked about V4 clothes earlier and was told it had to be taken into DS and autofit used on it. I assume I would then save it as a duf file and then make the Poser Companion file as detailed in that tutorial. V4 clothing won't fit Genesis in its raw state unless it is a dynamic outfit.

I'm sorry I can't be of more help. I basically know my way around DS but that's about it.

Yea that's the one!  It is this part that I don't know how to do in DS: "...I would then save it as a duf file..."

I have brought it into DS, Auto-fit it to Genesis, but then was not sure how to save them out to DUF's?  Piece by Piece, or the whole set or what that process was?

Quote - The shoes are from the Casual 1950 for Genesis Female from Daz.

I don't think I'm allowed to link to them but if you go to new releases they are at the top of the second page if you have 15 items per page.

If you don't see a preset, check the parameter dials under feet. Generally in genesis you conform the shoe then set a morph dial to get the foot in the high heel position. A few high heel product have a high heel morph.

Anyone knows what is wrong in GenX when I get "Error Loading Genesis morph: CloneVictoria"

I installed DS 4.5.1.6, Victoria 4 shapes, GenX and Essentials in DS4.5. (And V5, M5 and other morphs).

Anything that's MATs and poses must be converted to DS4.5 and then converted for DSON according to the tutorials?  Pose files need no conversion to DSON?

http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dson_importer/poser/userguide/dson_content_conversion/start

Quote - How do you figure this plug-in takes over your computer? Because you can't install the content to places where your OS says not to install them? I don't get that comment at all. Please elaborate.

Oh and I forgot to mention that Poser dynamic clothing does indeed work with Genesis. Collide with the SubD bone for best results.

Go back and look for vilters.  You cannot uninstall and reinstall poser with dson installed, how or why, I have no idea, but that one is enough that I won't install dson.  Why such a script would be necessary, I have no idea.  If they want some script like that, it should be if poser is uninstalled, so is dson, not prevent doing a reinstall.

Whether Genesis works with poser dynamics or not is rather something I don't have to know, as I have no intention until I start seeing fewer things as some have posted.  Problems and headaches I have enough, I don't need to pay anyone to have more. 

dson makes the library slow loading?  First, why?  Then why does undocking the library help?  I have no idea, and it's not my  place to do anything but install and run, which it's obvious won't work.  "Workarounds" are not answers, not problems fixed, just sidestepping the inherent bug of the moment.  I labored for 44 years under the conception that something was either right or it was scrap.  Why would I hold software to a different, far more lax, standard?

D.

Quote - > Quote - Fighting Fae Armor for V4?

I asked about V4 clothes earlier and was told it had to be taken into DS and autofit used on it. I assume I would then save it as a duf file and then make the Poser Companion file as detailed in that tutorial. V4 clothing won't fit Genesis in its raw state unless it is a dynamic outfit.

I'm sorry I can't be of more help. I basically know my way around DS but that's about it.

Yea that's the one!  It is this part that I don't know how to do in DS: "...I would then save it as a duf file..."

I have brought it into DS, Auto-fit it to Genesis, but then was not sure how to save them out to DUF's?  Piece by Piece, or the whole set or what that process was?

Ah, okay, then you have to save them individually. I find it easier to go to the scene tab to select each piece. When you have the item selected go to File -> Save As -> Support Asset -> Figure Prop Assets to save the item in a directory under My Library - People - Genesis - clothing.

Then make the Poser Companion File as detailed here:

http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dson_importer/poser/userguide/dson_content_conversion/tutorials/creating_dson_companion_files/start

It's not easy to explain that process without images.

I've just converted B-Girl III by 3DAge. It has a bit of poke through but that can easily be fixed with the morphing tool. I think it would depend on the item of clothing as how successful autofit will be.

Quote - Ah, okay, then you have to save them individually. I find it easier to go to the scene tab to select each piece. When you have the item selected go to File -> Save As -> Support Asset -> Figure Prop Assets to save the item in a directory under My Library - People - Genesis - clothing.

Then make the Poser Companion File as detailed here:

http://docs.daz3d.com/doku.php/public/software/dson_importer/poser/userguide/dson_content_conversion/tutorials/creating_dson_companion_files/start

It's not easy to explain that process without images.

I've just converted B-Girl III by 3DAge. It has a bit of poke through but that can easily be fixed with the morphing tool. I think it would depend on the item of clothing as how successful autofit will be.

Cool!  OK, I will give that a whirl, thanks for your help!

Quote - > Quote - The shoes are from the Casual 1950 for Genesis Female from Daz.

I don't think I'm allowed to link to them but if you go to new releases they are at the top of the second page if you have 15 items per page.

Thanks let me look.

OK those shoes are weird. The feet and toes do not weight the shoes at all they are entirely weighted by the shin. When coming into Poser they are not keeping the shin weights, so are moving rigidly. I passed it on to DAZ's Devs, because it should also be weighted the way it is in Studio.

Quote - > Quote - The shoes are from the Casual 1950 for Genesis Female from Daz.

I don't think I'm allowed to link to them but if you go to new releases they are at the top of the second page if you have 15 items per page.

If you don't see a preset, check the parameter dials under feet. Generally in genesis you conform the shoe then set a morph dial to get the foot in the high heel position. A few high heel product have a high heel morph.

There doesn't seem to be a preset or any morphs in those shoes. :(

Quote - Cool!  OK, I will give that a whirl, thanks for your help!

You are very welcome. I just hope it helps.

Quote - > Quote - > Quote - The shoes are from the Casual 1950 for Genesis Female from Daz.

I don't think I'm allowed to link to them but if you go to new releases they are at the top of the second page if you have 15 items per page.

Thanks let me look.

OK those shoes are weird. The feet and toes do not weight the shoes at all they are entirely weighted by the shin. When coming into Poser they are not keeping the shin weights, so are moving rigidly. I passed it on to DAZ's Devs, because it should also be weighted the way it is in Studio.

Thank you very much for your help. Hopefully they will be updated so I can try again. :)

I forgot to say, when creating the Poser Companion File make sure to select the option shown in the image as there is no metadata.

Quote - > Quote - The shoes are from the Casual 1950 for Genesis Female from Daz.

I don't think I'm allowed to link to them but if you go to new releases they are at the top of the second page if you have 15 items per page.

If you don't see a preset, check the parameter dials under feet. Generally in genesis you conform the shoe then set a morph dial to get the foot in the high heel position. A few high heel product have a high heel morph.

Not the situation here. :( The weights are not transferring correctly.

Right here.

Does installing this for Poser add an entry or modify the poserStartup.py?  After loading SR3.1, my Shaderworks Library Manager 2 no longer auto-loaded.  So, I went and re-updated the Netherworks Script Auto-Launch, and now I am getting the old, "ImportError: No module named dson.dzdsonimporter" failure trying to load Genesis.

Anyone?  Bueller?  Can someone take a look at their poserStartup.py, and see if it has more than the default:

import os
#import Numeric
import poser

runtimeRoot = os.path.split(poser.AppLocation())[0]
mainButtonsPath = os.path.join(runtimeRoot, "Runtime", "Python", "PoserScripts", "mainButtons.py")
poser.ExecFile(mainButtonsPath)

This is what mine looks like:

import os, sys
#import Numeric
import poser

def _loadAddons(runtimeRoot):
    # Load addons to Poser
    try:
        addonpath = os.path.join(runtimeRoot, "Runtime", "Python", "addons")
        sys.path.append(addonpath)
        for addon in os.listdir(addonpath):
            fullpath = os.path.join(addonpath, addon)
            if(not(addon.startswith(".")) and os.path.isdir(fullpath)):    
                try:
                    import(addon)
                except Exception, err:
                    print "An errror occurred importing addon", addon, ":"
                    print 'ERROR: %sn' % str(err)
    except:
        pass

#-------------------------------------------

Load the default python button commands...

#   (use poser.ExecFile instead of execfile so we can use cross platform name, etc)
#-------------------------------------------

runtimeRoot = os.path.split(poser.AppLocation())[0]
mainButtonsPath = os.path.join(runtimeRoot, "Runtime", "Python", "PoserScripts", "mainButtons.py")
poser.ExecFile(mainButtonsPath)

_loadAddons(runtimeRoot)
for runtimePath in poser.Libraries():
    _loadAddons(runtimePath)

I purchased genesis morph pack myself for breasts etc and like you I can’t find them. Firstly, where do you put them in the external Genesis folder I made for all Poser/Genesis files.  Secondly, where do they show up inside Poser?

I made a folder in My Documents I named Genesis Starter Essentials. In it are all the folders such as:

aniBlocks, Camera Presets, People, Props, Runtime, etc. The files for the morphs went to the folder “data” which is outside the Runtime,  as follows:

dataDAZ 3DGenesisBaseMorphsDAZ 3DEvolution

Should they be somewhere else?

I still don't se any parameter dials for the new morphs.

Sorry, I don’t find the instructions for this new Genesis/Poser very intuitive or easy to install or follow.

Appreciate any help

Quote - dson makes the library slow loading?  First, why?  ...

D.

The slow loading library is a known issue that's been reported to Daz and can be avoided in Poser Pro 2012 by setting the library to "external" in preferences. Poser 9 users will have to wait for a fix.

Laurie

Any morphs you load (and that are installed to the same folder as the Genesis Essentials and core files) should just show up as a dial option in the figure. You don't inject  - the plugin scans for content that's available to it when you load the figure.

Laurie

Thanks @mada!  That fixed it. :)

For everyone else, be careful using Netherworks Script Auto Launch, or just go ahead and backup your poserStartup.py right now....in case another script re-writes it!

Ok...wow...that was a lot of work to get one partial outfit to Genesis in Poser, and the bottoms came out pretty bad. To be honest, I don't have the patience for the payback here.

I think I will hang on for DSON v2 or something.  I am going back to my Cycles renders.  :)

Thanks for all the help!  Wanted to get through it at least once.  Fun distraction!  Good luck with it!  :tongue1:

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