Attached Link: http://www.fallencity.net/lore

Looks really good. Bookmarked, will have to sit down and figure it out soon.

Thanks, Crescent!

Thanks, good tutorial plus the link to Poser Arcana got me some more information I needed and didn't know about. Gromit

Nice clear tutorial, and yes, Arcana has a wealth of useful info as well. One error to fix, tho: 1 = yes, 0 = no, not the other way around. For those who tire of waiting for a 20MB Vicki file to load in Wordpad, CR2Edit will make MAT, MAP and MOR files for you in seconds, tutorial here: http://www.zenwareonline.com/cr2edit/tutorials/tutorials.html Dan http://www.zenwareonline.com/cr2edit/cr2edit.html Sorry Win only for software http://www.zenwareonline.com for ZenPaint, ZenTile, ZenGrid and VueMaster

Wow! Thanks y'all for this info! :)

Thanks dwilmes. That makes more sense to me, but I would have sworn that when I played with that setting, it was the other way around. Then again, my level of coherency has definitely been in question for a while. Anyhoo, I've changed it. Hope I didn't mess anyone up. Glad some people are finding it useful!

Crescent, i think i would like a printable summary of the RGB values for your makeup tutorial available as a download at the end of the tutorial--that would really help, people may have enough RAM to keep open both Poser and a Web page at the same time, and for convenient. thanks!

Crescent, those yes-no things can be confusing conceptually, for sure, with the double negatives that can come up, like with "hidden 0" meaning "no, it is not hidden". As for the RGB's, the number you gave is probably "good enough for government work", the actual formula to acurately make the conversion is: B = Whatcolor 65536 G = (Whatcolor - (B * 65536)) 256 R = (Whatcolor - ((B * 65536) + (G * 256))) where Whatcolor is a number from 0 to 16million+ as returned by a system color dialog or in code. However, very few paint programs if any will use this number directly with it accessible to the user, so if you are doing it by hand,your numbers are the practical way to do it. Dan http://www.zenwareonline.com/cr2edit/cr2edit.html Sorry Win only for software http://www.zenwareonline.com for ZenPaint, ZenTile, ZenGrid and VueMaster

nfreedman - on the MAT Look-Up page, I have a downloadable text file with the calcuated values. I'll make the link more explicit. dwilmes - I analyzed Sama1's values to get that number. I'm sure that if I play with your values for a bit, they'll make sense. As with most things, I'm trying to do a trade-off between absolute accuracy and scaring everyone off with tons of complexity. I appreciate everyone who has taken time to point out what would make the tutorial better!

I'm sure those numbers are fine, no one is likely to care if it's off a couple shades out of 16million, LOL! But after seeing that table, I thought I'd better take pity and make something for you to automate at least that part. Remember, if you have CR2Edit, making MAT/MAP/MOR files is automated, but if you are making them by hand, grab this: http://www.zenwareonline.com/cp.zip 7KB Click on go, choose your color from the 16 million in the color picker that will appear. The line for the MAT file will be placed on the clipboard, ready to paste into your file with no further action. It is set up for tex colors, so if you are doing a reflection etc just change the single letter in your pasted text. (Ks and Ka rather than Kd) The app is a whopping 28KB, but you will need the Zenware system files to run it, unless you own another Zenware app. http://www.zenwareonline.com/zenware.zip for system files, has an installer. The colorpicker itself can be put anywhere you want. Dan http://www.zenwareonline.com/cr2edit/cr2edit.html Sorry Win only for software http://www.zenwareonline.com for ZenPaint, ZenTile, ZenGrid and VueMaster