For as long as I can remember alot of rave and talk has always been around Victoria 4.2. However, I have never reallyed used Victoria 5 or Victoria 6. I am not asking for what is better but more about what is different as far as V4 vs V5 and V4 vs V6. If anyone has any feedback I would apprecaite it.

V4 is for Poser.
V5,V6 is for DAZ Studio.

Victoria 4 is a stand alone base figure that is both Poser and DS compatible.

Victoria 5 is a morph set of the Genesis 1 figure included in DS 4.x

Victoria 6 is a morph set of the Genesis 2 Female base figure that is a separte download for DS users called the Genesis 2 Female Starter Essentials.

If you wish to attempt to use either Genesis 1 or the Genesis 2 Female and any of iit's morph sets, you will need to pick up the DSON importer from DAZ.  You can either buy it outright or you get it free with purchase ($20 of DSON compatible items IIRC). 

The DSON works on Poser 9 and up.  If you do decided to use it, you need to download the DSON, the Genesis Starter Essentials, the Poser Companion Files for the Genesis Starter Essentials, the Genesis 2 Female Starter Essentials and the Poser Companion Files for that.

If you do not have a version of DS4 installed on your system, you need to make sure the install DS4.x files is checked when you install the DSON.  You need to install the Genesis Starter Essentials and the Poser Companion Files (for one or both Geneisis figures your choice).  I would keep them in a separate runtime but you can install them the main Poser runtime if you want.

After all those hoops you sort of have Genesis.  How well the DSON importer works for you is anyone's guess.  Some users have few issues, some have long since thrown in the towel or never even bothered.

However, you still don't have V5 or V6.  Both of these are morphs sets for the two incarnations of Genesis.  Oh, and neither Genesis figure come with many morphs included.  Genesis 1 needs the Evolution Morph packs (head, body and expression morph packs).  Yes, you got it.  Three separate packs or head and body in a bundle and the expressions.  Genesis 2 Female (just the Female as DAZ is back to Gender split after the Gensis one figure has all ages and genders) only has head and body morph packs (again either two purchases or in a bundle) but expression come with it.  However when the Genesis 2 male comes out, you'll probably have to buy the male morphs so you still have another purchase.

Genesis 2 female also only uses V5 uv mapping in DUF (as DAZ native format) out of the box.  There is a product (a PA product not a DAZ original because DAZ wasn't interested in making it easier for users of the new figure to use their old cotnent) that will allow you to use V4 textures on V6.

There's probably more but I think that covers much of it.  Fun, huh?

Mind = Blown

Just wait, in a month it will be dawn vs v4 vs v5 vs v6 ;)

Bill

Let's put it this way..... for V5 & V6 you pay a lot more money for a lot less and a lot of trouble. If you haven't tried it, I suggest that you don't even bother doing so. I'm back to the 4th generation and I intend to stay there until DAZ makes a native poser figure again. That will not happen, so I keep an eye on Dawn and whatever else may come. It was only a matter of time until someone filled the gap Das has left since dropping poser support, I'd say wait for Dawn.... she already gaining lot's of support and she's not even out yet.

Dawn...is that the one with the facebook page?

Yes :-)

and announced support from many developers in both DS and Poser world.

Bill

I shouldn't be skeptical?  Details have been very vague, and the upper third shot of the character that's available didn't look particularly promising...eyes too close together, for example.

YMMV, I think v4's eyes too big and too far apart, but there is a morph for that ;)

Bill

Morphs, yeah.  I'd just once like to be impressed right out-of-the-box with a third party figure though.  Still could happen, don't get me wrong, but I've been hurt before.

Well the introductory price is right.  I will try it and see what I think.  For poser, though, all of the most used characters are third party.

Bill

If you go the Free Item forum here and look for the thread Dawn of a new day, you will find some very familiar names there.  Including two Zygote's/DAZ's co-founders. 

There's also a thread in the Meet and Greet forum over at RDNA that has a long list of vendors who are involved in the project.

Check out both of them. 

IMHO DAZ3D messed it up from V4.2, the last and best Vicky. If I need D/S and lots of unnecesary things to use those new VickyGenesis, hell for them

Voltex :
I use both Poser and DAZ Studio.
I would advise you see for yourself.
Diffrent App's ,Meshes just click with diffrent CGI Artsit.

V4 was made in 2006
V6 was made in 2013
V6 is the newest and most used Mesh in the World.

Not so sure ya can get an unbiased opinion on a app specific forum ;)

V6 is the most used mesh in the world? I find that hard to believe, must have been a typo.

Dawn sounds interesting but to pin our hopes on an unreleased product doesn't make sense. It's like preordering an Xbox, foolish. There's no telling what may be in the final release.

I hope Dawn is a breakthrough figure. And that it will get plenty of support. And that the team will make male and child figures. And that vendors will create loads of diverse characters for them. And that we'll get plenty of clothing or Wardrobe Wizard support. And that there will be plenty of morph packs.

Forgive my reticence but I'm not holding my breath.

Quote - V6 is the most used mesh in the world? I find that hard to believe, must have been a typo.

Dawn sounds interesting but to pin our hopes on an unreleased product doesn't make sense. It's like preordering an Xbox, foolish. There's no telling what may be in the final release.

I hope Dawn is a breakthrough figure. And that it will get plenty of support. And that the team will make male and child figures. And that vendors will create loads of diverse characters for them. And that we'll get plenty of clothing or Wardrobe Wizard support. And that there will be plenty of morph packs.

Forgive my reticence but I'm not holding my breath.

Lol not the most used, but most sold during its release period compared to all their previous figures.

V6 is the most used mesh in the world? No, it had the most successful release in DAZ's history.

Coldrake

If V4 sold 500,000 and V6 sold 1,000,000.
Then that would make V6 the most used Vicky ,Right ?

Quote - I shouldn't be skeptical?  Details have been very vague, and the upper third shot of the character that's available didn't look particularly promising...eyes too close together, for example.

Best part about Dawn is that it's made by people who founded and made DAZ great way back. Chris Creek etc...  People with long good reputations. Aaand, people are excited because it is supposed to work in both programs, in it's native format. Lot of people are hopeful, myself incuding.

Quote - Voltex :
I use both Poser and DAZ Studio.
I would advise you see for yourself.
Diffrent App's ,Meshes just click with diffrent CGI Artsit.

V4 was made in 2006
V6 was made in 2013
V6 is the newest and most used Mesh in the World.

Not so sure ya can get an unbiased opinion on a app specific forum ;)

Quote - If V4 sold 500,000 and V6 sold 1,000,000.
Then that would make V6 the most used Vicky ,Right ?

Ah, another one who fell for DAZ's tricky advertising. DAZ stated that Vicky is the most sold mesh in the world and they make it seem like it's refering to V6, but it isn't at all. DAZ sold 3 million copies in total and they actually give no numbers with version sold how much. V6 isn't the most used or sold Vicky at all, it's probably the least sold and used Vicky. Never forget V4 has been free for a long time and because of that she is most likely still the most used DAZ figure up to date. Also don't count out V3, that figure did very very well and still has it's uses. I wouldn't be surprised if she holds the record in sales. On top that, there aren't a million DS users and V6 is limited to the number of DS users.

V6 has just been released and at that price and knowing she's not Poser compatible (inspite of what DAZ wants to make us believe), she's only just beginning to sell. V4 has been around for years generating, V6 was just born and she may never get her shining moment now that some real competition has arrived.

I wonder how V6 is improved over V5. I've heard V6 has an interesting new feature that might help reselll shoes. What else is new? The quality of the renders I've seen look about the same.

I'll buy new Vickies again if they will be 100% Poser compatable. Without D/S

Quote - I'll buy new Vickies again if they will be 100% Poser compatable. Without D/S

There's no technical reason they can't be compatible; the cr2 version of V5 works for me.  Daz might need to invest some Dollars in creating a procedure to add morphs and animated joint centers, as I don't think that can be done with an injection pose, but it can certainly be done with Python...

Do not forget something very important: V4 was given away for free practically from the get go.  First to PC members and later when DAZ gave away all it's base models.

During the time when all of the base models were free, DAZ was gaining no sales revenue from them so they pretty much aren't counted as such.

V6 is not free.  Nor is V6 truly a figure.  Like V5, it's a morph set.  They can sell a million of them but it won't matter much if the main support comes from only source.  Success of a figure in the Poserverse is not defined by how many sales or downloads a figure has.  Or even how amazing it is.  If the vendors do not support it, it isn't successful. 

I've seen figures come and go.  In it's day, Apollo Max was groundbreaking.  In some respects it still is.  But the lack of support and all the other folderol surrounding it pretty much killed any possiblity of success.

In terms of support, V4 is their most successful release. 

I hold no loyalty to any software or any mesh.
All softwares & meshes have something to offer.

Lots of replys on the matter. Thanks guys I got a much better understanding of the figures now.

Damn.  I was hoping the thread was going to be about nekkid mud wrestling wimmin. 

Subtext

@SamTherapy 

Mwhahaha :lol:

"If the vendors do not support it, it isn't successful."  

You can be 100% sure that vendors will support V6. Vendors follow the money. And for those that want a superior figure for Poser just export a Cr2 version of V6. No DSON is needed.

RorrKonn, "I hold no loyalty to any software or any mesh. All softwares & meshes have something to offer."

Of course that is true, a Poser user can learn Daz over the week end. There is nothing wrong with people who refuse, they still can be good people. Just don't want my sister to marry one, that's all.

Why should I bother to learn a worse (IMO) interface and use a substandard mat room?

Voltex Just Joined Jun 19 2013 only had 10 Post.

So Voltex is new
,Voltex does not know how every one Loved DAZ Co.in the V1,V2,V3,V4 days.
Then when DAZ Studio Pro 4 & V5 was released ,there was a CivilWar.
Cause DAZ made code for there DAZ V5.
That Smith Micro did not want in there software Poser.
So now a lot of Poser users still Loves DAZ meshes V1,V2,V3,V4 .
but some hates DAZ Co.

Since Voltex is new and just asked about Vickys.

I said V4 is for Poser.
V5 & V6 is for DAZ Studio.

I was being fair to Voltex buy just stating the way it is.
No bias ,predgest ,personal opinions in that statement.

Voltex Didn't ask us about are bias ,predgest ,personal opinions.
Even thou Voltex definitely got them.

Quote - "If the vendors do not support it, it isn't successful."  

You can be 100% sure that vendors will support V6. Vendors follow the money. And for those that want a superior figure for Poser just export a Cr2 version of V6. No DSON is needed.

RorrKonn, "I hold no loyalty to any software or any mesh. All softwares & meshes have something to offer."

Of course that is true, a Poser user can learn Daz over the week end. There is nothing wrong with people who refuse, they still can be good people. Just don't want my sister to marry one, that's all.

Never said the vendors wouldn't support V6, the vendors at DAZ that is.  Will the vendors here at Rendo or RDNA be quick to support it?  Probably not.  Genesis 1 had the advantage of V4 mapping by default and UV swapping.  Vendors could make a textue for V4 label it "for V4 and Genesis" and maybe add a few sales.  Outside of DAZ, I only know one or two vendors that included morphs for both V4 and Genesis along with the texture.  There maybe more but I'm not a Genesis user so I didn't really pay all that much attention. 

I went the export cr2 route for Genesis way back when that was the only way.  I wasn't impressed with it then.  In fact, I came close to getting banned from the DAZ forums by good old DAZ_Rand (he's long gone now) because I kept criticizing the elbow and knee bends.

One thing that I do find amusing about the whole Genesis, Genesis 2 Female thing is the fact that so many users are offened that DAZ chose to add "Genesis" to the name.  I actually asked over there if DAZ had called it by some innocuous, generic term (way back in the early days Zygote/DAZ sold a model called Nude Young Woman) would there have been as much of an upset.  I actually got an answer to the effect that DAZ should have just called it V6. 

Quote - ne thing that I do find amusing about the whole Genesis, Genesis 2 Female thing is the fact that so many users are offened that DAZ chose to add "Genesis" to the name.  I actually asked over there if DAZ had called it by some innocuous, generic term (way back in the early days Zygote/DAZ sold a model called Nude Young Woman) would there have been as much of an upset.  I actually got an answer to the effect that DAZ should have just called it V6. 

Isn't the Gene2 female form functionally similar to gene1, but a female base?  If so, then the name is understandable.  I actually think it is a good idea to call her Gene2 because she is (presumably) an iteration of Gene1.  I think the Victoria name is a legacy that won't go away for one reason or another.  Probably because users expect the base model to have a name (viki, miki, anton, cookie, etc) and female body shape didn't stand out enough.

Quote - Of course that is true, a Poser user can learn Daz over the week end. There is nothing wrong with people who refuse, they still can be good people. Just don't want my sister to marry one, that's all.

we allow this kind of unnecessary and misplaced comments that do not contribute to the topic of the folder and then we ask why start fights (DAZ / poser) ....

Back to the topic , I find infinitely superior v4 (with the multiple packs  that have come later to fix the problematic areas better ) or V4 WM  to V5 , the ability to sculpt and modify it I think is superior to V5 and works a lot faster
(I have not tested v6 , so I can not comment on it ...)

Quote - "If the vendors do not support it, it isn't successful."  

You can be 100% sure that vendors will support V6. Vendors follow the money. And for those that want a superior figure for Poser just export a Cr2 version of V6. No DSON is needed.

RorrKonn, "I hold no loyalty to any software or any mesh. All softwares & meshes have something to offer."

Of course that is true, a Poser user can learn Daz over the week end. There is nothing wrong with people who refuse, they still can be good people. Just don't want my sister to marry one, that's all.

+1

I've been spending a lot of time on a couple of Xenphoro forums, which give the user the ability to rate posts. If I could rate the quoted post, I'd add a 'like' and a 'funny' rating because it almost made me spurt my drink on my keyboard.

Having been away from the forums for, OMFG!! 6 whole months!!!, I feel totally lost. A new Vicky. A new Poser.

At least the main topics for debate haven't changed. :)

 Congrats! She's in barn. Your first render should place her in a Temple with a Sword!

Hmnnn. Wonder if I still have the Chainmail Bikini- the first to my knowledge-skimpy impractical armor. I think it was for Posette-but someone made a fit for The Millenium Woman....

I made mine some 10 years back- Vicky and I have been on good terms since

Quote - just made my first Victoria 1 render today.  

 Welcome back Moriador!

There is a new figure- go check out Dawn in the freebie forum.She will have Daz and Poser versions (different rigging-same mesh). Also she is the creation of some of the creators of Vicky-who left Daz-and will get some company support-as well as enthusiam and likely morphs etc from other vendors.

The Poserites and Dazzies have been relatively peaceful in that thread. Maybe peace will break out and flowers will bloom in the wastelands!

Quote - > Quote - "If the vendors do not support it, it isn't successful."  

You can be 100% sure that vendors will support V6. Vendors follow the money. And for those that want a superior figure for Poser just export a Cr2 version of V6. No DSON is needed.

RorrKonn, "I hold no loyalty to any software or any mesh. All softwares & meshes have something to offer."

Of course that is true, a Poser user can learn Daz over the week end. There is nothing wrong with people who refuse, they still can be good people. Just don't want my sister to marry one, that's all.

+1

I've been spending a lot of time on a couple of Xenphoro forums, which give the user the ability to rate posts. If I could rate the quoted post, I'd add a 'like' and a 'funny' rating because it almost made me spurt my drink on my keyboard.

Having been away from the forums for, OMFG!! 6 whole months!!!, I feel totally lost. A new Vicky. A new Poser.

At least the main topics for debate haven't changed. :)

Quote - The Poserites and Dazzies have been relatively peaceful in that thread.
Maybe peace will break out and flowers will bloom in the wastelands!

Be weary of the flowers ,
They have bloodstone petals with thorns dripping acid and the aroma of vile hatred.
Damn can't humans make a magnificent paradise.

Quote -  Congrats! She's in barn. Your first render should place her in a Temple with a Sword!

Hmnnn. Wonder if I still have the Chainmail Bikini- the first to my knowledge-skimpy impractical armor. I think it was for Posette-but someone made a fit for The Millenium Woman....

I made mine some 10 years back- Vicky and I have been on good terms since

Quote - just made my first Victoria 1 render today.  

actually, i'm on the lookout for a Bubble Bazooka for her.  the biggest bubbles wins!  She Dommѐ