Can someone point me to the press release on this issue? I never got anything in my mailbox about it.

I googled "Smith Micro Dawn"

http://hivewire3d.com/forum/showthread.php?1321-Smith-Micro-Software-introduces-Dawn

http://my.smithmicro.com/marcom/eblasts/poser/20140320/index-web.html

Thanks BB!

Sticking this at the top so that everyone has a chance to see it. 

~Shane

"I am willing to join the staff!"

Maybe Hivewire should make a deal with SM to include Dawn's base figure in the next version of Poser.

We all welcome new figures in the Poser library.

However:

If this means SM is abandonning Rex and Roxie development, she is not so welcome after all.

Hopefully not the next native Poser figure.

Hopefully.

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If this means SM is abandonning Rex and Roxie development, she is not so welcome after all.

+1!

Definitely not a good thing. She seems to be a step backwards compared to the current Poser figures. I don't see the point.

Random thoughts:

I think some people may be looking at this the wrong way.

Yes SM is promoting Dawn, but at the same time they are also promoting the developers of Dawn.

Yes, Dawn is (insert what you think about her here). But that is not the whole story in any way.

Hivewire is a group of talented people that make characters and content. They don't wade thru millions of lines of code for programs everyday. Some of the crew at Hivewire have a track record for developing Poser characters that actually get used. Who would have thought..... I seriously doubt that Dawn is the last character that the folks from Hivewire will ever make, it isn't the first. I can also tell you from personal experience that Hivewire does listen to what users say.

SM didn't make V1-V4, and look what happened there.... Just about every other character that came out during that run was not embraced by the average Poser user, including the ones that came with Poser.

Lots of people complained when you know who stopped making Poser characters. Now we have a developer that is making characters for Poser, again. Dawn is in version 1, how many of you gave up on Victoria at version 1  ????

Food for thought...

Now before anyone fires back at me I would rather we have tons of characters to choose from, than not. Use whatever characters you want too, and be glad that developers take the time to make new ones, and build on them. I still use characters as far back as Posette, and even earlier ones for crowd scenes.

I look at SM decision about Dawn as a good thing, not a bad one.

Sorry, don't trust Hivewire. Sure great Dawn another character, great, created by the originator of V4, great. But when you hold a contest that people bust their ass off to get the limit of entries on time then extend the contest the same amount of time that the contest originally ran, because a few people griped about wanting to use a morph pack that was in development, that was supose to be part of the prize pack for winning the contest. And then when vocal about it, get pretty much treated as a troll because I voiced discontent over the fact they would pull a stunt like so. I could have understood a few days to a week for an extention, but the whole length of the contest was ridiculous. So honestly, if they can't keep their word on a contest, and give only a reasoning as people wanted to use a pack which was intended for a prize in the contest, and lack of entries, wait, "quality entries"I don't feel they can keep their word on the models they produce. Just my experience with them, and quite frankly my last with them, regardless they dawn the Sir Lancelot gimick or not.

Quote - Random thoughts:

I think some people may be looking at this the wrong way.

Yes SM is promoting Dawn, but at the same time they are also promoting the developers of Dawn.

Yes, Dawn is (insert what you think about her here). But that is not the whole story in any way.

Hivewire is a group of talented people that make characters and content. They don't wade thru millions of lines of code for programs everyday. Some of the crew at Hivewire have a track record for developing Poser characters that actually get used. Who would have thought..... I seriously doubt that Dawn is the last character that the folks from Hivewire will ever make, it isn't the first. I can also tell you from personal experience that Hivewire does listen to what users say.

SM didn't make V1-V4, and look what happened there.... Just about every other character that came out during that run was not embraced by the average Poser user, including the ones that came with Poser.

Lots of people complained when you know who stopped making Poser characters. Now we have a developer that is making characters for Poser, again. Dawn is in version 1, how many of you gave up on Victoria at version 1  ????

Food for thought...

Now before anyone fires back at me I would rather we have tons of characters to choose from, than not. Use whatever characters you want too, and be glad that developers take the time to make new ones, and build on them. I still use characters as far back as Posette, and even earlier ones for crowd scenes.

I look at SM decision about Dawn as a good thing, not a bad one.

I completely agree with this. :)

Laurie

Well, hey, everybody keeps saying SM should promote its characters. Sm should include a good quality figure with Poser. Excuse me for taking people at their word.

The problem with any new figure is that everybody starts thinking in dollars before they ever get the figure popular.

FIRST get your figure high on the popularity scale, THEN start thinking in dollars.

And?
Trying to push a figure through our throats will backfire heavily.

"Trying to push a figure through our throats will backfire heavily."

I won't argue with you. Now that there is a moderator that is vehemently against Dawn, no matter what I say the thread will be locked. I prefer to do not talk.

I have no problem with Dawn or with Smith-Micro promoting her. 

I wouldn't even have a problem with her being included as a native figure. Maybe it would be good for both companies. 

I made this thread a sticky so that everyone visiting the forum would see the news and so that 20 other threads about it didn't spring up simultaneously, and they were beginning to.

I could just as easily have deleted the entire thread as it techinally violates Rosity's policy on having off-site commercial links in posts, but because of the above and the companies involved, I didn't. 

As long as the arguing doesn't start, the thread will remain open for mature discussion. 

If you want it deleted then continue to make aggressive comments and it will be. 

Happy Posering everyone :)

~Shane

I regret that I didn't exhibit a welcoming attitude towards Dawn when she first appeared.

To be sure, she's not perfect. But no figure is.

Right now, I'm enjoying working with a few more of the huge number of new figures in the market, including Dawn. Every one of them that is released offers something different. They all have different flaws and different advantages, and I've finally come around to the view that trying to force a single product to do everything doesn't work nearly as well as embracing the diversity.

I do empathize with vendors who are called upon to support new figures, and I understand why having just one pair that everyone loved would be advantageous to content creators. But from a user's perspective, the sheer variety in these releases have been a great boost to creativity -- and a lot of fun to play with.

Every time I need to do an illustration I "screen test" a few different figures for each character in the picture, to see if they can take on the character I have in mind. Dawn was shortlisted for the role of the mother in the book I am illustrating now. A woman in her early forties who has just had her ninth baby. I really wanted to use Dawn. The pear figure body shape would be perfect. But the face.... I have every free and commercial morph pack available for Dawn, but even with all of those morph packs loaded, I just couldn't get the face and expressions I needed. Not enough flexibility. In the end, I chose to use V3. I was surprised myself. 

But this doesn't mean that Dawn is a bad figure - she is still in development as far as I am concerned, and with the limited morphs we have now, she doesn't age very well, and it is very difficult to get away from the Dawn look. We really need more face morphs for her. Faceroom compatibility will be great.

Quote - I could just as easily have deleted the entire thread as it techinally violates Rosity's policy on having off-site commercial links in posts, but because of the above and the companies involved, I didn't. 

I do not understand if it violates the rules or not, if you put your rules,¿in what cases can, and that cases not?

I didn't know smith was promoting Dawn. I use Dawn 

and I kinda would like to see more for Antonia. Poser

is just a hobby for me. I leave the product making side

to the Pros. Hopeful soon I'll get Roxie also. LOL

I don't care if they're getting behind dawn or not. she's still a gourd on a board on stilts with a Martha Raye smile.

As long as they don't stop developing in the line they have with Roxie that is.

Rex and Roxie are the two easiest to pose figures I've found yet, note I said "I've found", ymmv.  I'd like to see Kate and Ben given the same amount of attention and updating, there is definitely a hole where teens or pre teens are concerned.  A few touches with the morph brush, and Katie turns in to a lovely mid teen, but she don't bend for diddly. 

More support for Antonia, definitely yes.

But she's not Smith's figure.

Doric

Outfit coming soon in freestuff here.

Happy Posering everybody.

What do you mean, me?

Ha, ha, ha, 
I got the idea for the "Roman" outfit when I was building the Forestrunner, also here in free stuff.

Nice dress, BTW.

Thanks but it is the mesh that is important. I felt I should make a Kriegerin, using the same reference but I have a better idea. Why don't you do an Assassin, and I do the same. So can the two girls fight it out. I should have asked Dawn what she thought but she had to do her nails..

Ha, she had to do her nails. LOL.
Ha-ha-ha-; She does not like to get dirty.
Probably using poison to get rid of her enemy.

Nah, Roxie likes the "hands on", more active approach.
LOL. 

Assassin huh? ?

Well, I only do this as a free time hobby, but why not?

Time table?
Period?
Weapon?

As an example we can compare the result with mine and PhilC's previous release.
We both released a set at the same time, (without knowing it) and the score is 3/2 for Dawn versus Roxie. (or PhilC versus me.)

Released the same morning:

Roxie-Mexican 139 Downloads so far
Dawn-Persphone 210 Downloads so far

I am thinking of taking inspiration from Assassin's Creed, the video game series and there is also a film. Time table = Whenever you have time(finish what you are doing first), and

Weapons of your choice.