This seems to be questions week for me!

Being a Poser user for many years.(I also have DAZ Studio Pro 4.6 which I still cannot get my head around). Is there any advantage in buying M6 and V6? I have all the DAZ Figures up to V4-M4! I do not seem much mention about these figures for Poser or are they mainly for DAZ Studio? I also have the Genesis collection working OK on the DSON importer.Any suggestions would be helpful. Cheers

V6 and M6 are just another morph for Genesis 2 Female and Male.  If you have Genesis 2 working in Poser there should be no problem

I have V5/M5 and V6/M6 and I've played with them a fair bit in Poser. But what follows are just my opinions and based on my experience. YMMV:

M5 and M6 are miles better than M4. And there is relatively more content being made available for them (and the basic Genesis male). Well, to be more specific, M6's chest is a bit troubling. But it seems to have been fixed in the Gianni morph. 

I don't, myself, see any advantage to using V5 or V6 over V4 in Poser, unless your renders tend to show off those of V4's anatomical flaws which haven't been fixed by various products or by the weightmapped versions.

Where M6 and V6 are best, I think, are in the HD versions of them. Unfortunately, those do tend to slow the Poser UI down quite a lot. And unless you're doing close-ups, I still don't think the differences would be all that noticeable.

There's enough content for V4 available, that I can't see why anyone would feel the need for a new figure just for new content. But for the male figures, it is a consideration, as they've always had much, much less.

I do have Genesis 2 working ok in Poser. So the M6-V6 are just another morph not a completely new figure as the DAZ 3-4 generation of figures were? I think I will stick to what I already have.I am having success with WM figures. Cheers

Quote - I do have Genesis 2 working ok in Poser. So the M6-V6 are just another morph not a completely new figure as the DAZ 3-4 generation of figures were? I think I will stick to what I already have.I am having success with WM figures. Cheers

V6 and M6 are based on the Genesis 2 male and female figures. So they are different figures from V5 and M5. Genesis 2 has separate male and female bases. But they are not so different in appearance, IMO, as to make you say, "OMG. WOW. I HAVE TO HAVE THAT."

Edit: Unless you render nude or bikini close-ups a lot (which I sometimes do). Then, maybe...

Genesis 2 is a SubD mesh.10 ,pro 14 has SubD's.
V6 morph is $40.00 with out genitalia.
but If you want the genitalia ya half to buy the pro bundles there more then $40.00 around $80.00 to $120.00,each morph has a pro bundle.
there's a few pro bundles.
HD Packs cost also.
third party cloths n stuff only works with DSON if that vender fix it to work with DSON.
So if your going to invest that kind of money ,you would about half to use the app it's made for.

If you are a pc member you get those much cheaper, specially when DAZ runs discounted sales. You can pick up pro bundles for under $50 most of the time.

I'm sorry, but if I'm paying $50 to $120 for the use of someone's genitalia, it better be a real girl.

Well if that is your reason for purchasing Pro bundles then its on you. I pay that price for all the extra content it contains:) I can get Gensmorphs elsewhere for a lot cheaper. They might not be official, but if it works it works, the rest postwork can finish up.

Quote - Well if that is your reason for purchasing Pro bundles then its on you. I pay that price for all the extra content it contains:) I can get Gensmorphs elsewhere for a lot cheaper. They might not be official, but if it works it works, the rest postwork can finish up.

Hey, all I'm saying is that the gens should be available separately from the bundle.

Maybe, but I doubt DAZ can sell Genitals seperately. I do not think their investors will allow that. For the same reasons no nudity is allowed in promo renders on the site. Maybe the only way they are allowed to do so is in bundles where it is not a highlighted feature.

Quote - > Quote - Well if that is your reason for purchasing Pro bundles then its on you. I pay that price for all the extra content it contains:) I can get Gensmorphs elsewhere for a lot cheaper. They might not be official, but if it works it works, the rest postwork can finish up.

Hey, all I'm saying is that the gens should be available separately from the bundle.

DAZ pretty much gave their reasons for not doing that several years ago and it has to do with how their payments are processed, so no need to rehash that again. Like zev said there are better alternatives if that's your focus.

I personally believe that at this time the best female figure for poser is v4, despite the tendency to misinform of some,  is a figure who has 10 years of evolution with additions that have been improving notoriously and with plenty of content caracterer all morph you can imagine , poses,  expreccions  etc ... for her and works very well  in Poser

as the male figure, I perhaps agree with what someone said earlier, I think M6 is a leap in quality compared to M4, but not works so fluid in poser (I do mostly female  characters , but that I saw is interesting), my biggest problem with genesis 2 is that I can not "tune them" with zbrush, but that in my problem

in terms of value, do not listen all that is said here, not always opinions are unbiased, especially some members, you can go to the stores and make your own conclusions, I think the price is a armed robbery, but is only my personal opinion.

the return of the living dead
¿the peace is finished?

Zev0 & Male_M3dia :
I know your all are killer CGI Artist that could make third party gen's that didn't need know post anything.
HINT HINT !!!

Sincerely not trying to be mean about it & I'm trying to put this as nice as way as possible.
But the why's aren't really the customers concerns. 
Even thou DAZ 6 series meshes are killer.
Would be nice if gen's was in the basic $40 morph packs.
So you would have a complete realistic character.

Roxie & Rex are killer Sub'D meshes that's complete realistic characters .

Your definition of real and mine vary completely. Just because a figure comes "complete" does not make it realistic. Realistic is more viable in a figures appearance, how it bends, topological detail accuracy, texture detail etc. Half the time I don't do nude renders. I dont need gens to make my figure realistic. If Gens is that important, well then go shop where its sold in all its glory. But don't expect a company who has firmly stated their stance on the matter to change its policy for those who want genitals obviously to create renders of a specific nature. And dont give me that "I do artistic nude renders" nonsense. We all know why most people want gens. If they want it so bad, they shouldn't have an issue paying for it.

Hi Everyone,Many thanks for your thoughts.I did not want to start a serious debate on the "unmentionables".I just wanted some opinions if the M6-V6 figures were a step up from the 4th generation and M5-V5 which I also have! Cheers

In my opinion yes. And that is unbiased. It's fact. It's not just the figure shapes, that is subjective, but the actual Genesis 2 bases that they are built on are an improvement over the Genesis1 base.

on the 5th generation anything is an improvement, I would like to listen now to those who filled the foruns post comments like "genesis 1, the figure dominating the future market for 10 years .. " or similar things, saying " dam I was wrong "

in terms of generation 4 and 6 I think I make clear my thoughts before so I need not repeat, I'm not like some users who need to always have the last word to be able sleep peacefully, of course it is my opinion is not a fact (I leave these "absolute" comments to our friends defend their interests)

ps. someone saw the movie "Troll Hunter"?

Let me troll....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2laBiFJZvM

There is an example of what can be done on the Genesis 2 base.

I like both V5 and V6 as base characters to build off of. It seems like the clothing for Genesis 2 Female/V6 autofits a bit better than Genesis/V5, but that could just be an impression or better designed clothing (Genesis1 clothing works very well on V6 too).

If your looking for more realism, the HD add on(s) looks awesome. I don't have any of the HD sets yet, but I am saving up for them. But IMHO it really comes down to what you want to do, and what you "like". V6 was worth the investment for me, she provides a good quick starting point to "build" from because I like her general look and shape, but your milage may vary.

Quote - Let me troll....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2laBiFJZvM

There is an example of what can be done on the Genesis 2 base.

That is DS - not Poser

Doesn't matter really. The mesh and HD tech works relatively the same in Poser if people bother to save PoserCF files. Most of my products work identically in Poser, including the HD tech. Performance will vary ofcourse, but the tech still works.

There are many drawbacks using the genesis figures in Poser so it is better to show in the Poser forum what it can do in Poser and not what it can do in DS

Quote - > Quote - Let me troll....https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2laBiFJZvM

There is an example of what can be done on the Genesis 2 base.

That is DS - not Poser

The video simply shows how smay designed the character with JCMs and adjusted rigging for more accurate anatomical posing. Posing in Poser will give the same results, but since subdivision is handled by the DSON importer rather than Poser's due to SM not implementing edge weighted creasing from the Pixar spec, you would want to turn off subdivision until you are ready to render. The ease of creating JCMs and adjusted rigging is one of the benefits of the Genesis platform, so you can create entirely new characters from the base and still be able to use content made for genesis. You will get the same rendering results with HD-enabled characters in Poser by manually setting the subdivision level on the body actor before you render your scene.

I give up

Quote - Your definition of real and mine vary completely. Just because a figure comes "complete" does not make it realistic. Realistic is more viable in a figures appearance, how it bends, topological detail accuracy, texture detail etc. Half the time I don't do nude renders. I dont need gens to make my figure realistic. If Gens is that important, well then go shop where its sold in all its glory. But don't expect a company who has firmly stated their stance on the matter to change its policy for those who want genitals obviously to create renders of a specific nature. And dont give me that "I do artistic nude renders" nonsense. We all know why most people want gens. If they want it so bad, they shouldn't have an issue paying for it.

Why would I ever bother to exsplain my Art to any one. it's my Art.
I've been accussed of porn ,satanic etc etc art.lmao.
I owe no one a exsplanation for my Art ,ever.

You don't have to explain your art, just as Daz does not have to explain why they do not freely sell their Gens on the site seperately.

Quote - Doesn't matter really. The mesh and HD tech works relatively the same in Poser if people bother to save PoserCF files. Most of my products work identically in Poser, including the HD tech. Performance will vary ofcourse, but the tech still works.

that you do not mind does not mean you can do whatever you want, if you want to show functions daz there a forum for that software, it is not that hard to understand (though your goal is clearly another ..)

when Male_M3dia Zev0 & post in  this forum, are guaranteeof bother poser users with endless, endless,endless  replys until they can their goal, distorting the thread, make people stop posting here by attacks suffering

a moderator will do something to stop this constant harassment from these characters ???

ps. Male_M3dia Zev0  I find a picture ,is some member of your family?

http://www.cinemaseries.es/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/troll-hunter-2010.jpg

See? You post with the mentality of Poser user vs Daz user. If you enter a thread with that mindset, then that is how threads get locked. And a Mod will agree that we have not done or said anything offensive and have been on topic regarding the questions. All you have done is post comments regarding trolling and haven't said one sensible thing and resort to personal attacks. And stop with this "goal" crap. How old are you?

Cries to remove desenting views.. Saying people don't have a right to post for this or that reason.. These are the reasons many people stopped posting here long ago Aldebvrand40. Your just reinforcing the negative impression about who can post here and that all are not welcome unless they are part of the "party" line.

10 replicates in a pagetipical troll behavior , (check the "Z", and I think it will not end here, the troll always has to have the last word), anyone has any doubt about the true purpose of these "subject"

I think we should not give up, we have to listen to us let us have a clean forum where we can share poser things in peace without the constant harassment of sinister characters who only seek constantly bothering

days ago that these characters did not bother and the forum was a good place,

they returned to comment and fights back ,¿ any doubt of who they are the problem?

Quote - You don't have to explain your art, just as Daz does not have to explain why they do not freely sell their Gens on the site seperately.

I'm not trying to get DAZ to sell gen's separately.
would be nice if DAZ sold the gens in the $40.00 morph packs thou.
I don't want all the other stuff that comes in the pro bundle.
Thou I'm sure there nice meshes.
I just want to see how DAZ modeled the meshes.

Aldebaran40, you are the one being a troll here. 

Male_M3dia and Zev0 were responding to the OP's questions and have said nothing wrong. 

You are the one who is in the wrong, Aldebaran40. 

If you don't have anything constructive to add to the topic then do not post. If you don't like reading comments from members who you don't like, then remove yourself from the thread, since clearly you are unable to comprehend the multiple times that I have told you, and others, to use the ignore button that is provided on every post. 

If you have a problem with following those simple steps then find another forum to post in. 

This is your only warning Aldebaran40, and I have made it public so that everyone here reading can understand. 

No more arguing from anybody, or each of you will receive suspensions.

~Shane

Quote - on the 5th generation anything is an improvement, I would like to listen now to those who filled the foruns post comments like "genesis 1, the figure dominating the future market for 10 years .. " or similar things, saying " dam I was wrong "

in terms of generation 4 and 6 I think I make clear my thoughts before so I need not repeat, I'm not like some users who need to always have the last word to be able sleep peacefully, of course it is my opinion is not a fact (I leave these "absolute" comments to our friends defend their interests)

ps. someone saw the movie "Troll Hunter"?

V6 is V5 with a little more quads added to it.

Well like I said earlier, if you are a pc member, on more than one occassion you can get the pro bundles for around that price. You'll be amazed at how much you save really. And the gens are in all pro bundles so you can even choose one that is cheaper. But I hear you about putting it in maybe a starter bundle. But that is their decision to make.

Quote - Cries to remove desenting views.. Saying people don't have a right to post for this or that reason.. These are the reasons many people stopped posting here long ago Aldebvrand40. Your just reinforcing the negative impression about who can post here and that all are not welcome unless they are part of the "party" line.

Khory_d , please be  honest with me so I ask you, if you are a practicing Catholic and want to discuss issues related to your beliefs,¿ you go to a Catholic forum, or are you going to upload your comments to a forum on the Muslim religion?

I think if you go to a Muslim forum what you're looking for is not an adult exchange of opinions , you are search a  fight , create chaos ,disturb those who think differently than you , and that bothers me a lot , that there are people who act with the sole purpose of disturbing others just because they do not use the software that they want.

I think it's an understandable feeling

Sigh....

after an argumentation think very valid receipt this answer

Quote - Sigh....

sorry ambienshade ¿this is constructive?, you're going to do something or the rules are not equal for all

Religon? On these forums? Your kidding me right?

Do you mean do I own poser? Yes and have for about 9 years. In fact I have even done poser only products in the past (yes they are in this store) so is that enough or do you have some other sort of requirements to post?

Quote -  10 replicates in a pagetipical troll behavior , (check the "Z", and I think it will not end here, the troll always has to have the last word), anyone has any doubt about the true purpose of these "subject"
I think we should not give up, we have to listen to us let us have a clean forum where we can share poser thingsin peace without the constant harassment of sinister characters who only seek constantly bothering

days ago that these characters did not bother and the forum was a good place,

they returned to comment and fights back ,¿ any doubt of who they are the problem?

Give a specific example of where you think that someone is trolling or harassing someone else in this thread. Because so far the only harassment comments I've seen are coming from you. 

So since you keep insisting that certain people are being trolls, you need to be more specific and give actual examples of what you perceive to be trolling comments. So far everything I have read in this thread has been accurate and can be verfied. Therefore they are not trolling comments, but maybe I missed something and if I have, then this is your chance to point it out and I'll correct it. 

Normally this would be done privately, but in this instance I think it needs to be done right here in the thread for everyone to understand. 

~Shane

Quote - Religon? On these forums? Your kidding me right?

Do you mean do I own poser? Yes and have for about 9 years. In fact I have even done poser only products in the past (yes they are in this store) so is that enough or do you have some other sort of requirements to post?

I  might say that you misunderstood what I asked you, but really you not understand ANYTHING of ANYTHING (may you  not understand a analogy or perhaps I not wrote  well ) , so I will not waste time with you because I think there are serious idiomatic difficulties to have some coherent argumentation with you (you do not have the guilt, in  occasion words or exprecions in some language means something else in another, is not big deal...)

Quote - > Quote -  10 replicates in a pagetipical troll behavior , (check the "Z", and I think it will not end here, the troll always has to have the last word), anyone has any doubt about the true purpose of these "subject"

I think we should not give up, we have to listen to us let us have a clean forum where we can share poser thingsin peace without the constant harassment of sinister characters who only seek constantly bothering

days ago that these characters did not bother and the forum was a good place,

they returned to comment and fights back ,¿ any doubt of who they are the problem?

Give a specific example of where you think that someone is trolling or harassing someone else in this thread. Because so far the only harassment comments I've seen are coming from you. 

So since you keep insisting that certain people are being trolls, you need to be more specific and give actual examples of what you perceive to be trolling comments. So far everything I have read in this thread has been accurate and can be verfied. Therefore they are not trolling comments, but maybe I missed something and if I have, then this is your chance to point it out and I'll correct it. 

Normally this would be done privately, but in this instance I think it needs to be done right here in the thread for everyone to understand. 

~Shane

I'm hoping that I answer what I asked you a while ago ,the rules are the same for everyone or are some for sellers and other for ordinary users

Why my messages do not appear, you asking me to contact you in public, but after you  hidden me? It is a pretty cowardly act

Looks like the forum formatting is messing up.

Quote - This seems to be questions week for me!

Being a Poser user for many years.(I also have DAZ Studio Pro 4.6 which I still cannot get my head around). Is there any advantage in buying M6 and V6? I have all the DAZ Figures up to V4-M4! I do not seem much mention about these figures for Poser or are they mainly for DAZ Studio? I also have the Genesis collection working OK on the DSON importer.Any suggestions would be helpful. Cheers

Hi, arrow1:

To answer your question:  M4 and V4 were the last DAZ figures to use Poser's rigging system.  Starting with Genesis, DAZ went to using the Triax weight-mapped rigging system, which is completely different.  However, DAZ has also set up a system whereby the Genesis1 and Genesis2 figures can be used in Poser.  I haven't done much with that, so I can't say anything about how well it works.

There is no "advantage" in buying M6/V6 unless you like the figure shapes and want to be able to use them.  They are basically just morphs of the Genesis 2 Male and Genesis 2 Female figures, as are all the other "generation 6" figures.

I've made pose sets for the Generation 6 figures, and have been quite impressed with the way they bend and move.  In my opinion, they're considerably better than the Generation 4 figures were.  I was particularly impressed with the new "Gianni" figure (which is a morph of the Genesis 2 male).  

Bottom line, it just boils down to what figures you like, what you're able/willing to spend, what content you want to be able to use, and a whole bunch of other things that are pretty much up to you.  It's kind of like the old question of, "Which is better, WordPerfect or Word?"  There is no "answer" to that.  Both programs are good.  I've used both extensively.  They both do basically the same thing, but they do it somewhat differently.  WordPerfect does some things better than Word does, but Word does some things better than WordPerfect does.  The same is true of Poser and DAZ Studio.

I, too, had problems "getting my head around" DAZ Studio, but as a content creator, I felt that I had to learn to use DS, even though I started in Poser.  Having used both now for several years, all I can say is that it boils down to personal preference.  There are things I really like about Poser, but there are also things I really like about DS.  There are some things about Poser that I hate, but there are also things about DS that I hate.  Is one program "better" than the other?  No, not really-- it's just like WordPerfect and Word:  they're both good; they both have their good points and their bad points, and which you prefer to use is really just a matter of your personal preference.

Since you say you have been able to get the Genesis figures working okay with the DSON importer, I'd suggest picking either M6 or V6 and trying it out, and then, if you like the results, go ahead and get the other one.  

Sorry to provide such a vague answer, but yours is a question for which there IS no "definitive" answer.  It all comes down to personal opinion, personal taste, and personal preference.  

M6 and V6 look fantastic in Poser renders. (The HD versions are even more impressive.) Poser has great SSS shaders. And firefly can be a lovely render engine. So there are reasons to use them in Poser, as opposed to Daz Studio.

But the HD versions are slow in Poser. If you find your UI slowing down -- parameter dials not moving, for example, or moving in quick uncontrollable leaps) -- you have to adjust your workflow. Pose first, then add textures, then clothes, then hair. Then last minute pose adjustments, perhaps even typing the parameter numbers in instead of turning dials.

The result can be really outstanding. But they are not my "go-to" figures because 1. I don't have that much content for them, 2. I don't always know what my scene is going to be before I start loading content, so I like to play around. And a slowed down UI isn't something I can deal with at that time.

For single figure pinups, V6 is absolutely the best female available at the moment. The best male for Poser, however, is probably Tyler. He is very underrated, but comes with a billion morphs (like having morphs ++ and muscle morphs) and the JCM's and pose controls that Blackhearted put in him do make him a very realistic character, with smooth and easy posing. 

Genesis does not work in Poser exactly as it works in Daz Studio. We all know that. But it does work. Whether the slow down in UI that Poser users tend to experience when they load multiple figures (or fully clothed HD figures) is an issue is entirely a matter of what kind of machine they have and how much they can tolerate the inconvenience.

The only way to know that is to try the figures for yourself.

I DO do artistic nudes (and they usually don't need the gens). So I find The HD versions of V6 and M6 to be useful.

Why Daz only includes the gens in the pro bundles I cannot say. The payment processer reasoning makes no sense when you first think about it, as Daz accepts credit cards and Paypal, and you can buy porn with a credit card and Ebay (which is owned by Paypal) sells adult sex toys. But perhaps Daz is using a third party merchant account from a local bank. Who knows what kind of restrictions they have?

Yes, the Platinum club makes buying pro bundles cheaper. The ever present sales also. I think I paid less than $50 for each of the pro bundles I bought.

Having said all that, I still don't necessarily recommend these figures to people who ask because a vast majority of Poser users can get by very happily with fourth generation Daz figures, the content for which IS cheaper, and easier to use and install into Poser.

But if someone specifically wants to do close-up pinups or nudes, or they are bemoaning a lack of content for male figures, or they'd like to be able to play with some of RawArt or JoeQuick's characters -- then they probably need to bite the bullet and give Genesis a serious try.

To me, it doesn't make sense to limit your options before you've experimented (seriously) with different technologies.

As always, these are just my opinions based on my own experience. :)

The other thing to remember is that you can buy V6, try her out, and if she works for you, keep her. Use her. Enjoy her.

And if she doesn't, because she slows down your UI too much, ask for a refund. :)

Edit: Or, if you have Poser Pro 2014 or Poser 10, ... search for "JoePublic"'s "hacking V5" thread to learn how to make Genesis or Genesis 2 figures native to Poser, and just as fast as other CR2s.

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Why Daz only includes the gens in the pro bundles I cannot say. The payment processer reasoning makes no sense, as Daz accepts credit cards and Paypal, and you can buy porn with a credit card and Ebay (which is owned by Paypal) sells adult sex toys. But perhaps Daz is using a third party merchant account from a local bank. Who knows what kind of restrictions they have?

 

You can not buy porn with Paypal, if they find out a merchant is using it, they will lock their account and freeze their funds. I know of a site that tried and pretty much lost a few grand, and that was two years ago and still no resolution. Visa has also gotten pretty restrictive with what they will allow too; renderotica lost their payment processing for about a month over some of the promotional renders and gallery postings. They were already paying a higher rate through because of their status and had to use a specialized payment processor. They didn't get the processing back until several products were removed from the store and renders removed from the gallery. DAZ doesn't want that distinction as if they had it, they could no longer offer Paypal for payments or would have to use specialized payment processor. I'm guessing they would rather err to the side of caution to keep their choice of payment processors wider by not allowing certain things or bundling certain items in more expensive packs so that it's not the focus of a product and it's acceptable by the processor.

Quote - Why my messages do not appear, you asking me to contact you in public, but after you  hidden me? It is a pretty cowardly act

I have not hidden your comments. That's not even possible for anyone to do. There's some sort of issue with the formatting of this thread that started with the last post I made. 

I haven't had time to read everything else that's been posted yet.

~Shane

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Why Daz only includes the gens in the pro bundles I cannot say. The payment processer reasoning makes no sense, as Daz accepts credit cards and Paypal, and you can buy porn with a credit card and Ebay (which is owned by Paypal) sells adult sex toys. But perhaps Daz is using a third party merchant account from a local bank. Who knows what kind of restrictions they have?

 

You can not buy porn with Paypal, if they find out a merchant is using it, they will lock their account and freeze their funds. I know of a site that tried and pretty much lost a few grand, and that was two years ago and still no resolution. Visa has also gotten pretty restrictive with what they will allow too; renderotica lost their payment processing for about a month over some of the promotional renders and gallery postings. They were already paying a higher rate through because of their status and had to use a specialized payment processor. They didn't get the processing back until several products were removed from the store and renders removed from the gallery. DAZ doesn't want that distinction as if they had it, they could no longer offer Paypal for payments or would have to use specialized payment processor. I'm guessing they would rather err to the side of caution to keep their choice of payment processors wider by not allowing certain things or bundling certain items in more expensive packs so that it's not the focus of a product and it's acceptable by the processor.

I said you can buy porn with a credit card, and you can buy adult sex toys from Ebay with Paypal. I didn't say you could buy porn with Paypal because you're right. I don't think you can.

That said, Renderotica had pose sets for rape and torture scenes. And hundreds of images of sexual torture in their galleries and advertising their products. They were extreme. Even I found them offensive and troubling, and that's saying something.

RDNA, Renderosity, and others regularly sell sets (cheap sets) including improved genital morphs, and feature full frontal nudity and close-ups of these genitals in product promo pics. Galleries here and elsewhere permit full frontal nudity. And have you seen some of the stuff you can get prints off at DeviantArt? :D :D

I'm pretty sure that payment processors know the difference between nudity and sexual violence. We know Daz is based in Utah and somewhat more uptight about their "image" than other marketplaces. That is their preference, and entirely their choice. But let's not pretend they are totally liberal in their attitudes towards nudity and sexually stimulating images, cuz they just ain't. :D

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Why Daz only includes the gens in the pro bundles I cannot say. The payment processer reasoning makes no sense, as Daz accepts credit cards and Paypal, and you can buy porn with a credit card and Ebay (which is owned by Paypal) sells adult sex toys. But perhaps Daz is using a third party merchant account from a local bank. Who knows what kind of restrictions they have?

 

You can not buy porn with Paypal, if they find out a merchant is using it, they will lock their account and freeze their funds. I know of a site that tried and pretty much lost a few grand, and that was two years ago and still no resolution. Visa has also gotten pretty restrictive with what they will allow too; renderotica lost their payment processing for about a month over some of the promotional renders and gallery postings. They were already paying a higher rate through because of their status and had to use a specialized payment processor. They didn't get the processing back until several products were removed from the store and renders removed from the gallery. DAZ doesn't want that distinction as if they had it, they could no longer offer Paypal for payments or would have to use specialized payment processor. I'm guessing they would rather err to the side of caution to keep their choice of payment processors wider by not allowing certain things or bundling certain items in more expensive packs so that it's not the focus of a product and it's acceptable by the processor.

I said you can buy porn with a credit card, and you can buy adult sex toys from Ebay with Paypal. I didn't say you could buy porn with Paypal because you're right. I don't think you can.

That said, Renderotica had pose sets for rape and torture scenes. And hundreds of images of sexual torture in their galleries and advertising their products. They were extreme. Even I found them offensive and troubling, and that's saying something.

RDNA, Renderosity, and others regularly sell sets (cheap sets) including improved genital morphs, and feature full frontal nudity and close-ups of these genitals in product promo pics. Galleries here and elsewhere permit full frontal nudity. And have you seen some of the stuff you can get prints off at DeviantArt? :D :D

I'm pretty sure that payment processors know the difference between nudity and sexual violence. We know Daz is based in Utah and somewhat more uptight about their "image" than other marketplaces. That is their preference, and entirely their choice. But let's not pretend they are totally liberal in their attitudes towards nudity and sexually stimulating images, cuz they just ain't. :D

I think it's not so much about location and more about making sure they can keep selling. If your business depends on payments, then you make sure you do things in order to keep it. However they do from time to time have loftier plans about who they want to sell to, for instance when they wanted to have DAZ Studio in schools to teach about 3D, so products showing nudes would be geared toward who they want to sell to, not so much a prudish stance. You'd be more in a position to do that if your store was set up a set up so that it appeals to more people. Not to say that some of their products aren't skimpy, but for the most part it's set up so they're not at the mercy of payment processors that handle sites that get an adult designation.

However the OP wanted more information on M6-V6 not genitals and the such so we should probably keep the converstion steered towards that.