an unnamed web site has sharply decreased enabling their products to work in Poser without using their "work around". well, it had nothing to do with renderosity, except now I am noticing products that will not function in Poser unless the "work around" is utilized.

I for one refuse to use any "work arounds" that is available, as I paid good money for Poser software that I find more desirable. some renderosity vendors are cutting out many sales to straight poser users.

I almost added a product to my cart until I noticed that it will not work without the "work around". it is not the first product that I have noticed that does not provide for straight Poser use, and I skip over them for vendors that still want Poser sales

Hello,

You will not the "work around" for any Poser product sold on our site. 

The only time you will need one is if you covert a product made for Daz Genesis or Genesis 2 and you are trying to get it to work in Poser.

Warmest Regards,

I started to purchase some poses and it mentioned the "work around" and studio as being the only options. I can not find it now, but if I do I will send a site mail to you

several products does not have an option for V4 anymore only G2

thanks for your response

I understand what you are trying to say Richard. We want to make it so that everyone can find something to fit their artist needs. But, please keep in mind we do not have any intentions on limiting Poser content. I'll make sure to add this to my list of concerns.

Thanks!

It is up to the artist as to what software and render engines they make their products compatible for.  Renderosity has no control over this.  If you have a problem with DAZ-only content for Gen4 or props, then take it up with the vendor.

Also, it is best to get used to this-- V4 is gradually going by the wayside in favor of Poser-ver.-Dawn and Genesis 2 female/male.

In regards to props however, you can always ask the vendor to release some Poser shaders or whatever for them.  I know that Dariofish will do this for his products-- usually for free.  Shaders and lighting is an entirely different matter, and it depends on whether or not the vendor knows how to make them for both systems.

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Also, it is best to get used to this-- V4 is gradually going by the wayside in favor of Poser-ver.-Dawn and Genesis 2 female/male.

 

I sure hope this is not true as I can assure you that Gen2 females do not work well in Poser Pro 2014, regardless of DSON or what ever DAZ wants to call it these days.  It is a hit and miss whether or not "she" and all of her morps work or not.  The business at another store has dropped dramatically and I sure don't want to see Rendo shove V4 by the wayside as you say.  Bad idea.

 

I am well aware that DSON products do not work well in DAZ, and I am not surprised that it's even worse with Gen6-- I can't imagine the HD products/options working in Poser, in particular.

However, what I said is still true-- V4 is going by the wayside, little by little. 

Certainly the majority of new releases on the page today are overwhelmingly V4.
I seem to have overestimated the conversion, based partly on the freebies trend (very little free stuff for V4 anymore-- vast majority is for G2F and both versions of Dawn)

I did look at some of the vendor patterns, however.

Vendors who make exclusively for Gen6 or Dawn now: Dariofish, Dzheng, Jroulin, Kang1hyun, Karth, Kobamax, Oskarsson, OutofTouch's clothing, Sickleyield

Vendors who make stuff for V4 OR Gen6 & Dawn: 3DSublimeProductions,  Artemis, FWArt, Halcyone (almost none for V4 anymore), Lilflame, Outoftouch's hair (always compat. w. V4 and Gen6), P3Design, Rhiannon, Sabby

Please note that for clothing and hair, only MODELS, not textures are included. This list is by no means exhaustive, and does not include vendors who usually make products compatible with both or all three figures.

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Quote - I am well aware that DSON products do not work well in DAZ, and I am not surprised that it's even worse with Gen6-- I can't imagine the HD products/options working in Poser, in particular.

 

However, what I said is still true-- V4 is going by the wayside, little by little. 

 

Certainly the majority of new releases on the page today are overwhelmingly V4.
I seem to have overestimated the conversion, based partly on the freebies trend (very little free stuff for V4 anymore-- vast majority is for G2F and both versions of Dawn)

I did look at some of the vendor patterns, however.

 

Vendors who make exclusively for Gen6 or Dawn now: Dariofish, Dzheng, Jroulin, Kang1hyun, Karth, Kobamax, Oskarsson, OutofTouch's clothing, Sickleyield

Vendors who make stuff for V4 OR Gen6 & Dawn: 3DSublimeProductions,  Artemis, FWArt, Halcyone (almost none for V4 anymore), Lilflame, Outoftouch's hair (always compat. w. V4 and Gen6), P3Design, Rhiannon, Sabby

Please note that for clothing and hair, only MODELS, not textures are included. This list is by no means exhaustive, and does not include vendors who usually make products compatible with both or all three figures.

 

I'm not sure why you would say that, given that every model sold at Renderosity (including hair and clothing) includes textures.  They won't even test one without them.

There are a lot of reasons for supporting Genesis 2 Female and DAZ Studio over Poser and Generation 4 and Dawn.  The two platforms are gradually moving further apart in terms of their technology, and a lot of us find DS's technology easier to use - Poser's benefits are all on the rendering end and none on its creation features, and as someone who works with the creative tools, I'm going to choose DS every time.  And of course there's the fact that I can make an extremely good living without ever touching Poser, and supporting both takes twice as long or more. 

I'm not going to make the same product twice at the lowest common denominator of features (which is what it takes to support both programs, given how far the tech is drifting apart) when I can make two different products with more complex features instead (by only using DS).

I use Genesis 2 in Poser quite frequently. I also use the HD versions in Poser. So the idea that DSON importation doesn't work is just a myth. To be sure, it doesn't work well on lower end machines. The HD Genesis 2 models, set a subdivision 3, will cripple a slow machine or one with too little RAM. But that's not a limitation inherent to the format. I remember V4 being hard to load on a slow machine when she first came out. But if your machine is actually designed for 3D work, then DSON imports work fine. I have no problems with them. So I absolutely support vendors who choose to create for Genesis and Genesis 2.

I do vaguely wish that some DS only items came with Poser CFs if only so that I would know before purchasing that the meshes actually load in Poser (as some will not work at all). The materials I'm quite happy to fix up myself.

Maybe vendors like Sickleyield could do a quick test and just make a note in the readme as to whether or not the meshes can be imported into Poser -- even if they as vendors have no intent on supporting that method? Recently I bought the M4 versions of an outfit from SY when I would rather have bought the Genesis versions -- except for my uncertainty as to whether or not they could be imported. [I did buy some similar ones that had Poser CFs, as well -- SY's a very fine creator.] A simple nod to say, "Yes, they work in Poser, but you're on your own if you try it," would have been sufficient to persuade me to buy them. :) Just a thought.

Edit: I want to add that I do understand the hesitation -- because what a headache if some customers take a warning in a readme that Poser works but isn't supported to mean that use in Poser should be completely error free and easy! So I get why even that might be a problem. (All I wanna know is whether the mesh will explode or not. :))

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Also, it is best to get used to this-- V4 is gradually going by the wayside in favor of Poser-ver.-Dawn and Genesis 2 female/male.

 

I sure hope this is not true as I can assure you that Gen2 females do not work well in Poser Pro 2014, regardless of DSON or what ever DAZ wants to call it these days.  It is a hit and miss whether or not "she" and all of her morps work or not.  The business at another store has dropped dramatically and I sure don't want to see Rendo shove V4 by the wayside as you say.  Bad idea.

Absolutely agree,

I was one of the first vendors here. which made Genesis and Genesis 2 Characters, but as a Poser user, i prefer to work, my content inside Poser, i cant not work on a character that needs to be developed ONLY inside DS and a character that makes my Poser work so slowly ...lol

Also Generation 4 characters geometry was the closest thing, to real people, by my opinion always!

It's worth noting there's nothing singling Poser out for this 'treatment.' I own both, but use Daz by strong preference (to the point that I actually spent the money on the different technologies so I can migrate V4/M4 content to G2F). I just find it easier to put scenes together in Daz.

However, when shopping on Renderosity, I have to keep my eye out for the different items that only work in Poser (or won't work well in Daz). IBLs and similar sets are perhaps the most prominent of these. And sure, I spend half a second wishing I could get the same stuff for my preferred program... but that's all the time I spend on it, because this is just how it is. Poser and Daz are different programs, and both have large user bases. And the people who sell here on Renderosity work in one, the other, both or (admittedly rarely) neither.

And, as I am not God-Emperor and they are not my slaves, there's absolutely no reason for me to expect them to make the products they're making exclusively for my preferences or for my benefit. I'm just really glad there are lots of talented people who are making things I can use.

DSON doesn't work well for you, apparently. I'm sorry to hear that. I'm certain it's frustrating to see a fantastic character and then realize you can't use it effectively the way that you want to. However, that's life in the competitive marketplace -- just the same way that you're going to run into cool looking Windows games if you're a Mac user, or car stereos that take double-din space and connectors you don't have in your car. Not everything's going to work for you.

Realizing you don't like Daz, have you tried loading the character you want to move over into Daz, adjusting the look and feel, and exporting it as .cr2 instead of trying to use the DSON importer? It doesn't work as well for me, but some people apparently have really good results with that. Is that a possibility for you?

Edit: I want to add that I do understand the hesitation -- because what a headache if some customers take a warning in a readme that Poser works but isn't supported to mean that use in Poser should be completely error free and easy! So I get why even that might be a problem. (All I wanna know is whether the mesh will explode or not. :))

I really love it when vendors are clear about expectations. "Has not been tested in Daz Studio" tells me that if I want to grab the piece and use it in Daz, it may well work, or may need to be tweaked, or may not work at all -- it's at my own risk. (And a lot of the time reviewers will then follow up with their experiences.) "Will not work in Daz Studio" tells me not to get it at all.

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Also, it is best to get used to this-- V4 is gradually going by the wayside in favor of Poser-ver.-Dawn and Genesis 2 female/male.

I certainly hope, as a hobbyist who has been working in Poser for years because I didn't like Daz, that the statement above is not as ominous as it sounds.  I spent thousands on V3 before finally giving in to V4 and now have spent thousands on her. Long ago I decided not to indulge in the new Genesis figures because I just didn't like the way they looked. In all honesty, I still don't. I found with the available things here with Silver and Sabby and other vendors, V4 was my favourite.  Now I have been forced out of my over 10 year membership with Daz and have been spending all my art money here. I too have been a little worried seeing more and more G2 items appearing, and that is why I am responding here.  I have no problems with more items here for those people involved with Daz or other figures, but I worry that V4 will be gone as it is over there and then my Poser days are over, unless of course I might want scenery. I guess it will be good for my bank account, but not for my spare time fun and enjoyment in my retirement.

So I hope there are still hopes for us that didn't want to venture into the latest figures but are good steady customers for anything with V4. I would hate to be forced out of Renderosity too because there is really, other than one other site, nowhere else to go to get the quality you do here.

That's just my two cents worth added to the commentary.............

The real question is why doesn't Smith Micro focus on making Poser support for modern figures more user friendly? At the end of the day content creators are going to create for whatever there is a market in.Though I'm sure V4 will continue to see support for a while yet as well loved as she is/was. But it is inevitable that support will slow as more and more customers adopt the newer Technology. V4 was released in 2006 that's 9 years ago, V1 came out in 1999 thats a 7 yrs gap between V1 to V4. 

It's probably not helping the market that Smith Micro has a fairly hefty entry price with Poser 2014 nearly $500 and a purchase of V4.2 is nearly $20. Whereas Daz Studio is free, Genesis 1 and 2 bases are also free. WIth that in mind as the market expands less and less people will be using V4 and possibly even Poser. This not only affects the customer base but emerging vendors who are more and more using DAZ Studio as their application of choice. Also there will be a percentage of people who will decide its time to upgrade from V4 to the newer figures. Ultimately modern figures are where the future of the market is. And Nostalgia will not be able to hold back the market ultimately.

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