So I took Roxie and loaded up Alyson 2  with her, then copied some morphs from Alyson to  Roxie. Not too bad. Then I got the bright idea to apply Alyson's Anastasia morph and copy it to Roxie....

Ooops! Forgott the nudity tag. Shane could you get that for me please?

Just a newbie question.How did you transfer the morphs? Would it be possible to transfer the GND Anastasia morphs to Dawn?

Just a newbie question.How did you transfer the morphs? Would it be possible to transfer the GND Anastasia morphs to Dawn?

I transferred the morphs in Poser Pro 2014 using the Copy Morphs command from the figures menu. You can copy the anastasia morphs to Dawn but it doesn't mean they will work or look good. Even with Roxie, while I think she looks fantastic, it does take some tweaking of the dials.

Thank You

I have poser 10 so I'll give it a try.

Roxie and Anastasia, side by side...

I dialed back Roxie's Breasts in this one to about .460. The chest needs some tweaking on this one. But all in all, still not bad.

I think her ribcage looks too large, shoots out towards the bottom, but cool experiment, Clarkie!

I think her ribcage looks too large, shoots out towards the bottom, but cool experiment, Clarkie!

Thanks, Pumeco. Here's more... I loaded loaded up another Roxie in here default state (on the left) and  Anastasia (on the right). In the middle, I have the amalgam Roxie. She's got some Roxie and some Anastasia base in her. I backed off on the Anastasia breasts a bit and went more with Roxie's natural ones, and used her native morphs to scale them up a bit.  Her face is a mix of normal Roxie and rthe GND base.

It would be interesting to hear what Blackhearted thought about this.

Sorry, I keep forgetting the nudity tag.  I probably need to stop posting that early.

I like the dip between the pelvis and the top of the femur on the middle Roxie more than the left Roxie, but I think the breasts and genital region look better on the left Roxie.  To be honest I'm not a fan of Anastasia, I much preferred the original GND.  The abdomen on Anastasia looks too long to me, and the breasts too implant-like, I'd much rather look at Roxie's as shown on the left Roxie.  It's a shame you can't blend the original GND into Roxie cause that was a very nice 'athletic' body.

Well, the mixed one looks a little older than Roxie. This side by side just reinforces what I always thought about the figure - that her body shape looks like an 11 or 12 year old girl shudder.

Laurie

 Roxie meets Blender. LOL.

 An older Roxie came out of Blender. LOL.
She was not so happy with this "Gravity thing" on planet earth.

Ack ... my eyes, my eyes!
Facepalm

 Ha-ha-ha-, No Gravity in your 3D world?
Never removed a bra before? LOL. 
Euh, on a real woman that is?
LOL.

PS : Tony puts on kevlar helm and gas mask, and  is diving for shelter right now. LOL.

 2 more Roxie-Blender ladies. LOL.

A Rather Witty Vilters Wrote:
"Ha-ha-ha-, No Gravity in your 3D world?
Never removed a bra before? LOL. 
Euh, on a real woman that is?
LOL."

I just don't like saggy breasts, and you know very well how proud Roxie is of her pert puffies!
As for the bra, the liberated type of women I prefer don't even wear bras :-D

This isn't going to degenerate into one of "those" threads, is it?

Rolls Eyes
Dunno Clarkie, ask Vilters, I thought my comments in the thread are fine, I'm just replying to Vilters witty post!

Here's an interesting question. I've used the "Copy morphs from..." feature in Poser to copy morpjhs from Alyson2 and Anastasia to Roxie. I've shown you picures of this above.  Now, I've dialed in values to find a full body morph that i like. However, it is far from perfect.  And since the morphs weren't really made for Roxie, they have deformed her mesh a lot in some places. I'm using Blender now to correct some of these problems.

Now I readily admit that I have used Blackhearted's Anastasia morph as a starting point, however, given that this is Roxie and not Alyson2 that I'm working on, who gets the credit for the morph? Is this my work or his? I mean, either way this is good practice for me, but does that mean I can release it as my work or not at all, since initially it was his morphs. Is this a derivative work? It's not even the same figure he was working on.

Help?

Pulling out.

Please keep the helium comming.
Or charge them with an air compressor. LOL.

Well Pummeke, as you have 2 feet, I had to post 2 more. LOL.

Oh, was that Miss silicone 2004, or Miss surgery 2006? LOL.

@Clarkie
To be honest, I thought it was a fun experiment, I didn't know you were planning on releasing it or anything like that.  I've seen similar questions pop-up from time to time, and really, I think the technology has created something that cannot really be lumped under right or wrong or who owns what.  The best suggestion I can come up with is to put yourself in the position of the maker of the morph you transferred.  If you were that maker, would you approve of another person doing with your morph what you did with his morph?

The problem with it is this, where do you draw the line, because technically, you're copying a morph to an extent when you create figure-hugging clothes etc, a swimsuit for example is going to need to copy the body shape of the figure pretty tightly, and I believe the way that's often done is by transferring morphs like you have here.  But it's easier to argue that clothes were transferred from a morph so that they would fit, than it is to argue that you didn't copy someone elses character if your own product is also a character.  Personally, I wouldn't go there, I mean if the vendor doesn't mind, fair enough, but you still need such things in writing.

@Tony
I don't know what you're talking about, they look perfectly natural to me!  I can tell they're real even though she's covering those beauties up!  And anyway, there's a big difference between how silicone cannonballs look, and how naturally pert breats such as hers look.  I'm surprised at you Tony, I thought you said you were an expert in Poser breast dynamics!

** TUTORIAL !**

@ Eclarck1894 and others.

**PP2014 has the "copy morphs from". I do not think Poser10 has this feature but there is another solution;
**

1. Load the "donor" figure; In your example Anastasia, or any other figure.

2. Load the "recieving figure" in your example Roxie. Be sure that BOTH are at their absolute ZERO. (All IK removed and ZERO figure clicked for both.)
    
   PLAY with the scale of the DONOR FIGURE while having the BODY actor selected to bring both figures to the same height.
   You can use the Y trans to re- position the DONOR figure.
   ( No worries, you "can" reposition them to do the different body parts. Just try to maintain symmetry left-right.)
   I do not recommend to scale or Y-trans the recieving figure.

3. Open the Morph brush toolbox with the recieving figure selected. (Roxie in this case)

=> Open the Thighten Fit brush.; In the "Goal" => Select your "donor" figure.

Now paint with the the recieving figure selected (Roxie) over the donor figure (Ana) to copy the shape of the donor figure (Ana) over to the recieving figure (Roxie).

Yeah, I know, lots of words , but the process is easy.

Go with medium to large radius brushes but in small Magnitude.

Afterwards, a gentle touch with the smooth brush, a check for symmetry and done. (Functions at the bottom of the Morph brush toolbox)

This is not my invention. There is a full tutorial over at RDNA in the PP2014 somewhere, but this here pretty mush sums it up.

REMARK: This transfer only works when BOTH figures have IK removed and are at TRUE ZERO pose. = NO  bends.
The symmetry copy messes up when the recieving figure (Roxie) is not at her true ZERO.

Best regards, Tony

** TIP** for the above Morph brush procedure.

Remove the textures from the figures, and give one figure a light grey color, and the other figure a darker grey color.
That way you see what you are doing as the morph brush itself uses all other colors from mangenta over red green orange and yellow.

Yeah, Tony that's interesting but it really didn't answer my question.

The answer to your question can only be given by the original creator. You"ll have to contact him. I do not know his EULA.

If I would run into something alike? I'd make a render of the original and put that on my second monitor.
Then open Blender and rebuild using the render as a reference material.

My personal workflow is very simple. If in doubt? Do not do it.

The purpose of these tools was for the home end user, not targeted for distribution.
Only Poser native content can be used for distribution in the PP2014 Game Dev Version.

A very brief FBM (Full Body Morph) creation tutorial is coming in 30 min or an hr or so.
Seems a lot of end users are having a problem finding the correct import-export options to use in Blender, so I"ll post them again.

Sorry, eclark, of course it's a derivative.

Simple - did you MAKE the morphs in a modeler?  Did you dial spin some morphs distributed with the model? 

No......then you used the morphs someone else created.

Well, that's the thing. Obviously this isn't Anastasia. It's still Roxie. And technically, they're not Anastasia's morphs, they're Poser's interpretation of what Anastasia's morphs look like on Roxie.  And it's not a perfect or exact copy by any means. I'm having to go into Blender and fix some deformations and such.

Also let me make this exceedingly clear. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT REDISTRIBUTING THE ANASTASIA MORPHS OR DIALS.

I transferred the morphs to Roxie, dialed up a FBM I think looks good. Then exported that object into Blender to clean up the transformations, then exported back into Poser as an FBM for Roxie. So there is only the one dial.

I'd like to redistribute it, but obviously I am concerned about whether this is viewed as stealing. I'm going to contact Blackhearted though and see what he thinks.

Okay, another look at  Roxie. I've taken her into Blender cleaned up a few deformations, Actually there were quite a few, I stioll haven't gotten the toes right and I've made some progress on the eyes. Here's a side by side with before on the rightside and after on the left. Don't mind the texture, I was just trying something.

Ha yes, and a very-very good Job you did too.
My compliments.

it needs more work; Your Roxie now has a positive "V" in the middle of the chest just above breast level, and the inverted "V" just below breast level.

How did the wireframe hold up?
What does the rigging do?
Moving  Arms Up_Down in the ABC?

It doesn't matter anymore. I've decided to scrap the whole thing.

Ach, If I got a dollar for everything I deleted??? I'd have my own liitle personal island. LOL. 

No worries, you learned, you did it. You succeeded.

I think your safest approach would be to get some female references from somewhere like 3d.sk and use those to sculpt your own set of morphs. Creating a set of face and body morphs for Roxie would probably be a welcome addition for her to a lot of folks anyway. Maybe she'd get used more if they were available.

There's nothing that says you can't use other figures as reference either. It's just the transferring from one figure to another that is frowned on and most likely a eula violation, as it would still be considered a derivative . But you would have to contact the original artist and see if they were okay with transferring morphs. Using another figure or character as a visual reference is not the same thing and is pretty much safe as long as you aren't trying to make an exact copy, which it doesn't seem like you are.

The transfer morphs feature is really more intended for aiding in the transfer of body morphs into clothing though. I don't think it was actually intended to transfer body morphs from one figure to another, as the geometry won't be the same, and the results are usually pretty bad.  

Roxie does need some considerable joint improvements though, especially if you're wanting to create a custom FBM for her. Trust me, I've been working (off and on) on a complete Roxie make-over myself, and her joints really do need a lot of work (as demonstrated in a video Zev0 recently posted in another thread).

I didn't think it looked all that good anyway.

Looking forward to seeing what you come up with next though.

Love esther

Okay so i took Roxie back into Blender with no morphs. I thinned her face, make her lips a tad bigger. Trimmed her thighs a bit, and put some balloons on her chest.

Here's a close side shot of her face. I thinned the nose, plumped up the lips a bit, arched her brow and elongated her neck slightly.

I kinda like this face though, so I may keep it.

She looks like a bossy middle-aged woman now :-P
Don't like the breasts, but maybe it's the highlight blowout distracting a bit.

Crossposted, the side view looks good :-)

Well, everybody knows my profound disgust for helium filled balloons hanging on the collars instead of on the chest.
Why not go all out, and hand them on the neck? Or under the chin.

Unbelievable.
Am I the only clown left that looks at  "real" women from time to time?

Is "that" where I am posting all these tutorials for? No, the face is not good, and balloons are no breasts.

And your balloons have dents in them.

Vilters Wrote:
"Unbelievable.  Am I the only clown left that looks at  "real" women from time to time?"

I honestly don't think anyone actually likes the look of fake boobs, I certainly don't.  I reckon women only get boobjobs to make themselves feel confident, it's just a shame they think it looks like an improvement, because I've yet to see a pair of fakes that I like.

They look terrible, I'm completely with you on that.

I've seen what vilters thinks is sexy. I ain't vilters. I put those on her chest specifically to annoy him. :)

 I like her face, but I think i need to work a little more on that chin area. Looks fine from the side,  I made the lower jaw to thin. Can't please everyone, so you got to please yourself.

She definitely looks different, but a big mistake is what you're doing with the eyes: never have the centre of the eyes lower than half way of the amount of visible eye.  In this case it's making her look shocked.  If you keep the same eye shape and pull it downwards over the eyeball, it will look much better.  Always remember, keep the pupil higher than the halfway mark of 'visible' eye.  I did the same on my Roxie, if I pull the upper eyelids over her eyeball slightly, she looks seductive, but if I pull it over to extremes (as shown here), where the centre of the eye is almost under the top eyelid, she looks sinister.

As long as you keep all of the pupil visible, you're safe.  To cover it is an easy mistake to make (and a lot of Poser and DS artists do it all the time).  You'll often see people trying to give their characters a seductive or sinister look by pulling the pupil up to the top lid but it fails when they take it too far and start hiding some of the pupil.  The trick is to pull the top lid down more than lifting the pupil upwards, you have to get a realistic looking balance going on between eyeball and eyelids.

Regards what Vilters thinks is sexy, well, you're not alone there!
Bloody hell, the one he posted this morning was just plain scary :-D

I actually haven't done anything to her eyes, Pumeco. Haven't touched them. Although I did arch the brow a little more.

Okay so I touched up the chin, so it's not so thin. :)

I think this gives Roxie a nice little face shape range...

  This is Roxie with zero morph dialed in. This is Roxie at  .600 morph dialed in.  Face is a little thinner, neck a little longer.

Full face morph dialed in.

Here's a full body render that ought to make vilters happy. Truth is though I can't seem to do the breasts right. I need more practice.

Yup, the breasts are terrible :-D

What exactly are you dialing in then if you've not done anything with the eyes, she's starting to look a bit like that Roswell Alien!  The eyes look massively different, and like I said, you can't have the pupil positioned like that relative to the shape of the eye, people just aren't made like that.

Just grabbed this from Poser's cache from when I was testing the GWB morph.  The eyebrows are arched, but the pupil of the eye still falls way above half way of the visible eye.  You've got to adjust that, not as extreme as I've done it here, but you have to make sure the pupil appears higher up in the eye opening than you have it now.  You can either move the eyeballs or the eye opening to do that, but you have to do that to make it look right.

Come on guys, you've gotta remember to check nudity on each image you post if it contains nudity. It's right there in the blue banner across the bottom of your text box where it says Content Advisory:

I've had to check just about every image in this thread. 

I actually haven't done anything to her eyes, Pumeco. Haven't touched them. Although I did arch the brow a little more

By pulling the brows up into an arch you pulled her top eyelids up as well, which is what is causing her eyes to look larger. There's not a lot of geometry in/around her eyelids so it can be difficult to get them to take different shapes so a very careful hand is necessary when working in that area.  

Sorry, Shane. I'll try to remember.

Well, everybody knows my profound disgust for helium filled balloons hanging on the collars instead of on the chest.
Why not go all out, and hand them on the neck? Or under the chin.

Unbelievable.
Am I the only clown left that looks at  "real" women from time to time?

Is "that" where I am posting all these tutorials for? No, the face is not good, and balloons are no breasts.

And your balloons have dents in them.

I look at a real woman every single day when I'm brushing my teeth. :D I'm also not too fond of the balloon breasts. I saw a pair on a senior woman one time, in the locker room. Yikes. This is something you do NOT want to see. There are plenty of senior gals with pretty good bodies (especially the ones who have been swimming competitively their entire lives) -- but perfectly round, pert breasts just don't look even close to right on a 65 year old. Women who get boob jobs should think about that before they go under the knife: at some point, they are going to age out of those youthful breasts.

Edit: The lady I saw may, of course, have gotten prosthetic breast job after a mastectomy for cancer, I suppose -- so I shouldn't be so quick to judge. But my, my, her surgeon might have offered to give her a smaller pair.  Then again, if you survived cancer, you prolly don't give a damn what people like Moriador think. "D

Ticked off the nudity flag first this time.

So now, I still need to get more practice, but I've been trying to do this freehand. That's my mistake. I need to get some reference photos or models to work with.

Pumeco, how do the eyes look now?