Laurie, I understand what you are saying. But if we want the forum to get better we need to look forward not backwards. Every person, including staff, makes mistakes. By bashing the staff for trying to make things better does not make the forum better.

Kimberly

Anymore posts not directly related to contributing to the FAQ will be deleted. 

Please help make this a productive thread. 

Thanks. 

I'd like to contribute a couple of links that deal with some obscure facets of Poser in regard to Smoothing and Raytracing. In either thread the topic centers mostly around ways to deal with render artifacts.

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2859563#msg4011991

The above thread covers issues with Poser's smoothing and also deals with Raytracing and polygonal self shadowing artifacts. The thread also contains many links added by BagginsBill on the subject of Raytracing, I found this thread to be extremely helpful and resulted in my observations in the following link...

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2864872#msg4049812

The above contains a lot of information about modeling for Poser with smoothing in mind. It covers the gamut of ways to deal with this.

The introduction of Subdivision surfaces in poser may render some of this information moot, but may be of value for those who are using earlier versions of Poser or are just curious.

Thanks Primorge. That's more along the lines of what we're looking for :-)

Looking through the little bit that survived of th eold Wiki, there isn't much there.   The Program and Michael and Victoria sections are years out of date.  As I noted earlier, I converted the links in the Shader thread.  Here is the section on .obj file :

Obj file extension

A file with the .obj file extension is a three-dimensional object containing 3D coordinates, texture maps, and other object information; a standard 3D image format that can be exported and opened by several 3D image editing programs.

Hmmm... it added several extra lines when I pasted; I'm shocked... ;)  At least I can now paste into a message more than once, but not more than twice, apparently.

Texture mapping

Texture mapping is a method for adding detail, surface texture, or color to a 3D model.

Definition

A texture map is applied (mapped) to the surface of a shape or polygon. A similar idea is like placing patterned wallpaper onto a blank wall.

Multitexturing is the use of more than one texture at a time on a polygon. For instance, a light map texture may be used to light a surface as an alternative to recalculating that lighting every time the surface is rendered. Another multitexture technique is bump mapping, which allows a texture to directly control the facing direction of a surface for the purposes of its lighting calculations; it can give a very good appearance of a complex surface, such as tree bark or rough concrete, that takes on lighting detail in addition to the usual detailed coloring. Bump mapping has become popular in recent video games as graphics hardware has become powerful enough to accommodate it.

In the commercial realm, textures can be included with a 3D model or sold as standalone texture packs. These texture packs are usually assembled around a specific theme or occasion.

The Antonia page will take some work yet...

...and:

Digital content

Digital Content Creation (DCC) is a modern term denoting the creation and modification of digital content, such as 3D modeling, animation, Sound recording and reproduction, graphics, images and video, as part of the production process before presentation in its final medium. This large field encompasses many segments such as 3D graphics, audio editing, compositing, authoring, etc. There are other terms available such as creative media or multimedia production, but they also apply to processes not done digitally, such as drawing paintings by hand or producing in the sense of financing a project. DCC best describes the software used in connection with output produced by the user and the DCC industry as a whole.

3D modeling

Digital Content in regards to 3D modeling refers to the 3D models, textures, animations, poses and other resources that are used in creating 3D models. Since these assets are not physical items, they are known as digital content.

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Hello folks ... I've been working on the FAQ today and just came here to the thread ... I understand your frustrations and the issues you present are valid and I share a lot of your feelings on issues. ... But What I want to do here is move forward.  Dust ourselves off ... and work with the purpose of the thread.  One comment I want to address.  I did not ask for your assistance to ask you to do my work ... it was to involve you as users to be a part of the process and not be left out.  I'm sorry it was misunderstood.   These last entries are greatly appreciated and will be added.  thank you.  I can use all the help I can get as can my fellow coordinator.

Boni

Just to let you know ... I have copied all the posts so far on this thread to go over and edit for the FAQ.  And I will continue to do so.

Boni

So instead of complaining about what happened in the past, how about we use this thread more productively and contribute information to it that you think should be included in a Poser FAQ, as Boni's original post asks for. That's how things can be turned around here to make it a more positive experience, instead of constantly arguing and perpetuating the negativity over things that happened in the past and can't be changed.

We understand that people are frustrated with certain issues regarding the forums, and the complaints are being listened to and looked into. It can't be resolved over night, these things take time to research and work into development plans. Constantly rehashing the same gripes, complaints and arguments in every thread isn't going to resolve anything, it just creates more hostility and causes more people to not want to participate in anything. 

The top of the FAQ page should state, Subject to change without further notice. Because that is exactly what has happened around here over the years. People were asked to do this before, many spent countless hours doing so, and someone simply decided to delete the whole dam thing.

Are those same people in charge, or has Rendo been sold to someone else since then? Who knows, it is all secret around here and people have been sent links.....

The issues are being looked into... By who? Is it that much of a secret that you think no one else in the world knows how to do a whois check?

The only thing I can come up with is that no one knows. Or are to embarrassed to say. Maybe there is a contract that says you can't if not satisfied.

It is pointless, completely pointless, to do anything if it is just going to be deleted again.

History has a tendency to repeat itself, and the delete button gets a lot of use around here.

If someone in power can step in here and state that things wont just get deleted on a whim, you might get some help.

But as it stands, no one has stepped up to that plate. And no one will, or they already would have to settle this whole debacle.

I have had posts deleted, images deleted from posts because one mod disapproved of it, even after it was in my gallery for years and reviewed there as well.

The only consistency around here, is the inconsistency. That should be my signature here, because it is the truth.

I have been productive lately.

I deleted all my freebies (sorry, there not coming back here sp you can bury them somewhere again), my gallery, etc... That way you (Rendo) do not have to worry about the programmers (that no one can dare mention) doing so for me. It is bound to happen at this rate, everything else is fubar, they will fuck that up sooner or later too. I am going to remove all the images on my server that were linked to in threads as well, no need to host them since that is broken now as well and it appears no one has any backups to fix it. Rendo does not pay for that space, I do. So there is no reason to leave it there.

Feel Free to delete this post, just as other things have been deleted as well.

Because if my (and everyone else's) opinion is not welcome, my (our) help shouldn't be either.

The reason no one wants to participate is probably because of everyone's posts, your right about that Shane.

But asking us not to talk about is not going to make it go away, and it certainly is not going to get it fixed any faster either.

You make it sound like setting up a php server is quantum physics, and it is not.  

Hate to tell you this, David, but that post is going to get zapped, two of mine already have been, perfectly civil ones.

Hate to tell you this, David, but that post is going to get zapped, two of mine already have been, perfectly civil ones.

It might very well get deleted, and it would not surprise me if it does. But the point remains that we can no longer attach examples for people to download which makes it very tedious to explain certain things in a FAQ. 

Years of valuable tips and tricks that could have been linked to are no longer complete. If it took 10 years to accumulate all of that in the past with attachments, etc, it will take even longer to do so in the forums present state.

Say someone wanted to explain a shader setup that BB already posted in the past. Someone will now have to take the time to start over instead of simply adding a link to the previous tread that went into great detail on it. The same could be said about any thread that is no longer complete due to the changes.

The Wiki that was deleted had tons of examples as well, How long would it take to redo that? Well that depends if anything was backed up. If it was not, it will take years.

The decision to make changes has had serious repercussions on the community, and it was not the users fault. Now we are being asked to redo years of work, with no insight as to when and if we can even put attachments into it, etc. Or even if the delete button will get mashed at some point again in the future.

I may contribute to the FAQ soon™

@David
Just so you know, I don't want them to delete your post, I was just pointing out that the mod has vowed to remove anything that is not what he asked for, and therefore my perfectly civil posts have been removed.  Fine, but your post certainly doesn't fit either, so your post should have been removed too.  Makes me wonder if Shane realises that being a mod does not protect him from online bullying charges, which is exactly what he's heading for if he keeps this up.

He's supposed to be under the control of a group decision, so why is my stuff being removed while yours stays?

Folks, just to let you know ... I appreciate the civility ... but I believe your posts were deleted primarily because they were off OP and you were told that before it started to happen.  We want to keep on topic is all because we don't want this thread to devolve.  I hope you can respect that.  There IS a lot going on in the background.  YOU are heard ... there is a lot that cannot be discussed at this time.  no one is being ignored.

Boni

No problem there, Boni, it's the unfair manner Shane practices.  I'm not actually that bothered that my post got deleted, and I certainly have no intention to mess up your thread, but things need to be acted against all members in the same fashion, not the singling out method Shane uses with me.

Beats me how he's a mod and you're a coordinator, because you, Boni, are clearly moderator material while he clearly isn't!
They tell us to start again, so how about making some much needed mod changes around here to help that along?

Boni for mod!

I have discovered that the Antonia Wiki page that was formerly on the R'osity Wiki can be found here, which concludes my recovery of the Wiki remains from the Internet Archive. :)
http://posercontent.wikifoundry.com/page/Antonia+By+ODF

The main page of the Poser Content Wiki is here. There is a lot of information about various Poser figures, although it doesn't seem to have been updated in a while...
http://posercontent.wikifoundry.com/

Oops; forgot to make the links live; fixed... :)

I was told to delete your posts by admin Pumeco. Admin can still read deleted posts. 

Not good enough though, is it Shane, you know very well that post was utterly polite and was even crossposted.  I've tried my best to get along with you, literally broke my back trying to do so, but you're kidding yourself if you cannot see how, when you do things like that to me and not others, it's going to cause friction.

Whatever Shane.

Sorry - pet peeve - don't say "literally" when you clearly mean "figuratively". 

Sorry Mr Baggins, Sir :-D

your posts weren't the only ones that got deleted and I'm not the only one that deletes posts in this forum or this thread. But apparently admin now want the flamewars to continue, so have at it.

Shane, does your Forum software let Mods put a user's posts on Moderation?    I moderated a model railroad forum where if someone was unsociable we'd delete the offending post and warn them, and if it happened again put the user on moderation for a week, where their posts had to be approved by a Mod before they were visible, a process that took some time and allowed discussions to cool..  That usually made them wise up; I don't recall having to do it to someone twice.  The only people we banned were spammers

If the software does have this feature, you should have the Admins enable it for you guys...

Yeah, let's have at it Shane!

Do you think I like arguing with you on the forum, ask yourself, why the fuck would I want to argue?
Do you think I like being in an environment where every fucking day feels like I have to walk on eggshells around you so that I don't lose my membership?

You're an adult yourself Shane, so when admin tell you to do something that you know is wrong, have the balls to say no!
Everything is a fucking secret around here, what do you expect?

If you go around doing something and the people you're doing it to haven't a fucking clue who did it, or why, how on earth are we supposed to have a happy forum where we get along?  It's never going to happen in that sort of environment, because it's impossible to do so!

This is supposed to be an art community, a place for artists to chill, not a concentration camp!

Boni's right when she says they as in Renderosity do listen. It may not seem like it but they do. They have a lot going in the background that we can't discuss for various reasons but they do want and are trying to make things better. It's just going to take a while for everything to fall in place.

As far as AmbientShade being the only one 'deleting' posts, he  is not. The admin, moderators and coordinators including myself have deleted posts. We don't delete posts on a whim. It's discussed among the 'team'.

But I do have to stress, lets try and keep this thread on track. 

The software just deleted a post while I was typing it - but kindly waited until I spent 20 minutes on it. So - yeah sometimes it's not Shane. LOL

By the way - it was no rant or complaint. It was a tutorial on making car-paint-like glitter. Too bad, after it got tossed I wrote the short version and I'm going back to making money. See ya.

The software just deleted a post while I was typing it - but kindly waited until I spent 20 minutes on it. So - yeah sometimes it's not Shane. LOL

By the way - it was no rant or complaint. It was a tutorial on making car-paint-like glitter. Too bad, after it got tossed I wrote the short version and I'm going back to making money. See ya.

Ouch; that's literally about $75 bux worth... :(

Baggins Wrote:
" ..."

In case you're wondering, I just attempted three times to quote you because I got a big LOL out your comment :-D
But get this, it's impossible to even paste your comment without getting a HUUUUUUUUUGE font!

Whatever just sucked-up your post, I'm guessing it's the same gremlin at work!

Here's some constructive criticism for admin to consider regards the forum design.  I've mentioned this before, but either it fell on deaf ears, or someone in the design department needs to find a job they're actually capable of doing.

It's regarding the most used button on the foum, the Top of Forum button you have at the top of each page, where basically, the designer has it in the exact opposite place to where it should be.  The Top of Forum button is what we click when we finish reading the page of a thread, so naturally, that button belongs at the end of each thread page, not the beginning!  The way the designer has it right now means that if you've just read, say, a 25 post page, you have to scroll back to the top of the page just to get at the button so that you can return to the Poser forum index.

If the designer knew thier job, it would be where I'm about to point out.  So what you do is you put it where it's needed, meaning after the last post on each page, because surprise surprise, that's where you are when you finish reading the last post on each page!  Doing it the way I just pointed out, the button is always to hand.

So Renderosity listen do they, ok then, bit of rock solid advice there, free of charge, from someone who knows a thing or two about functional design.

Ladies and Gentlemen, I know all of this is important information ... We are listening to your issues, but may I ask you to stay on Topic?  We have some very good ideas going around and I'd like to here your input on the FAQ (Positive please) so we can reconstruct it.  I will also see about a backup this time to avoid the loss of data from the wiki. 

Boni

To expand our resources for the FAQ, I have taken a suggestion from WandW and contacted the creator of the Poser Content Wiki so we may link there on our FAQ page and our members can build content on that site as well.  This is a small step, but it's a beginning and I wanted you all to know that this is one of my ideas to expand our resources.  I want to structure it a bit different that what it is now. But I need to run this by the admins.  I want to make this all more enjoyable and interactive for everyone.

Boni

Dear Boni

The ONLY good idea left is to restore the site to december 2010.

Even the FAQ page was more in sync to the app then.

Unfortunately with new formats, OS's, devices etc. your suggestion is impractical, but well intended ...  and a note: the top of forum button actually takes you to the main forum page.  The small arrows to the bottom right corner of each post takes you to the top of the thread.  I can see that that can be confusing and will suggest rephrasing.

Pumeco: surprise ... guess who's a new Moderator? :)

Boni

Here are the old Poser Tutorials that SM took down a few months back on the WayBack machine.  Some refer to older versions of Poser, and a few are outdated, but most are still useful...

http://web.archive.org/web/20120709093016/http://poser.smithmicro.com/tutorials.html?

Nothing wrong with the arrows, Boni, they're fine.

Personally, I'd call the Top of Forum button, Back to Index, but it's not really the naming of it, it's where they put it.  No matter what, you only reach for that button when you've reached the last post, that's why that button should automatically 'tag along' after the last post, so that no matter whether you just wrote the post or read it, the button is there.  It's just carelss design the way it is, it's extremely amateurish.

Regards you becoming a mod, good, I'm definitely pleased to hear it, you seem very sincere to me :-)
Maybe it will give you extra powers to keep an eye on Shane as well!

And speaking of Shane ...

Shane, don't think people are so stupid that they don't know you have your hands tied being a mod.  I'm aware a mod has to deal with that, but you've singled me out so many times now it's become set in stone - you couldn't even be arsed to delete a harmless post I asked you politely to delete in that thread of yours.  Not that it matters, it's not important, but it's the fact that there's not even enough respect from you to do something as simple as that.

When you took a job as mod, you must have known it's going to get you disliked if you don't balance what your job is, with what's right.  Put yourself in the shoes of the non-moderating members here, and you'll see that it's the secrecy that is the biggest problem (not including the state of the site itself).  Even the simplest thing like leaving a placeholder for a deleted post would stop that, or at least go a long way towards stopping it.

If you delete a post then it should say "Post deleted by AmbientShade", and if Boni does it, "Post deleted by Boni", same with the cooridinators if they have the ability to delete.  No moderator should ever have an issue with leaving a placeholder for their actions, because that way, a person isn't going to fly off the handle, and instead, is going to be more inclined to contact the mod and ask about it - because they know who it is.  It also means that moderators wouldn't be so trigger-happy at deleting posts in the first place, because other members can see whats going on - the secrecy is gone.

Being able to delete posts and have your actions be anonymous from the members you share this forum with, is always going to cause friction.  It creates a kind of "them and us" atmosphere, and that's exactly what you have here right now between the members and the admins/mods etc.

I recall basicwiz used to sitemail me when I would get particularly obnoxious... he would say "is everything ok?" I guess he felt comfortable doing that because he and I had to email back and forth for coordination reasons when I won a Poser forum render challenge. Miss that guy being around here.

How do you refresh a thread page on a mobile device? Gets a little tiresome having to go back to top of forum and re-enter a thread to see new posts...

Sorry for ot.

and a note: the top of forum button actually takes you to the main forum page. 

No it doesn't. If I were to hit Top of Forum from this thread, it will take me back to the thread listing in the Poser section. Same goes for that button in every other thread- it only goes one level up to the thread listing of the section the thread is in.

In breadrumb speak, this thread would be Forum > Poser > Poser FAQ: Want to Contribute?
Hitting Top of Forum will take you to Forum > Poser, not Forum.

How do you refresh a thread page on a mobile device? Gets a little tiresome having to go back to top of forum and re-enter a thread to see new posts...

Depends on the browser. On mobile Chrome, I can hit the round arrow in the 3 dot menu (upper right) to refresh the page.

Doh! Thanks.

Moderators have zero control over how the website is designed or how it functions. We can ask for features added - and trust me I've asked for many features that would improve the functionality of the forum, improve the overall mood of the forum users, and make moderators jobs easier. Such as the ability to split threads when they derail into other conversations, so that the entire thread doesn't get lost and the side topics can become their own threads - a feature that all the other forums I've been to have had for as long as I can remember - and several other features that everyone would benefit from. I don't know if it will ever happen - I don't get feedback on it.

I can't control how posts are deleted. When I'm told to delete a post I delete that post. How the forum software handles deleted posts is not up to me. It's not currently possible to leave a placeholder for deleted posts. The only way that would be possible now would be to delete the text of the post, and replace it with a notice. That makes it impossible to investigate at a later time if needed, so we don't do it that way. It's been so long now that I don't remember if there ever was a delete notice left in place. If it actually stated whether a post was deleted or not. I don't think it does now but my screen looks a bit different than your screens. I see more stuff than you do, more info. So I really don't remember what the non-moderator, average user screen looks like. Some people tend to think their posts are the only ones getting deleted and that's not true. When a post gets deleted, responses to that post also get deleted. Or at least they're supposed to. We don't catch everything. And no, I'm not going to go against admin when they tell me to delete a post just because I don't think it should be deleted. Sorry if that upsets you. You don't pay me. They do. I don't intentionally single out anybody. If you think you're being singled out then maybe you need to reconsider your behavior in the forum.

I don't always PM people when their posts get deleted, (especially when it's someone I always catch attitude from when I do PM them anyway), but it's been quite a while since I deleted much of anything, or locked or deleted any threads, so I haven't thought much about it lately. And again, just because something gets deleted doesn't mean it was me that did it. There's an entire staff of coords, mods and admin here, and each one of them will at times delete something, especially admin if they feel they need to. Most of the time issues are handled as a team so that we aren't accused of singling anybody out and no personal grudges are being dished out. 

Some people here are regarded as trolls by other members and I get PMs about those members regularly - some PMs come from people who don't even participate in the forum but they do read a lot of the threads and are familiar with those members and their behaviors on other sites. It's all information I take into consideration when I'm dealing with a particular member or issue. It doesn't mean I'm going to target that person, but it does help me to get a better sense of what kind of person they are and what to expect when I do have to deal with them. 

Every post has an arrow at the bottom right corner that takes you back to the top of the thread. If there were just one arrow at the bottom then you would have to scroll all the way to the bottom of the page to get to it. This way it can be reached from each post. It makes more sense that way and is more compatible across multiple browsers and OS's. A floating arrow would not be as universal. The 'Top of Forum' button takes you back to the main index of the Poser forum. 

draws breath...

OK... here's a link to a thread that I put up a while back about using Poser lights and ambient lights for indoor scenes using IDL. It got some good traction, has been referenced before, so I'm assuming may be useful...

http://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2884825

I should also point out that when I went to look for this thread, I entered my user name and the search term 'lighting'. Note the name of the thread "Indoor lighting with IDL and camera settings". I got nothing. No matches AT ALL. Suggestion: assume if someone doesn't put a date range, they don't want it narrowed, they want ALL OF IT.

I feel sorry for Boni and Shane, being kinda stuck between an almost faceless admin and us, but I have a specific section of bookmarks for 3D stuff, and they have almost completely become dead links since the last upgrade.I'm hesitant to contribute to this.

Let me be clear; I don't go to RDNA because I think their forum is WORSE. I hate it. THIS is my first port of call, messed up search functions and flame wars and all. Losing all my links doesn't stop me coming here to look, doesn't stop me posting stuff I find at the time, but as much as I like the idea, I have ZERO trust in the forum to keep the material accessible, and as such won't post anything other than quick links I can rehash.

I can understand a business trying to win back trust from it's user base/customers, and if we have new people in, like Boni, trying to make a difference, there's hope. For the actual business side, repairing a damaged reputation is difficult, takes commitment, and takes transparency. This thread has got a touch heated, and asking for courtesy is fine and appropriate. Courtesy should be given... but trust is earned.

Yeah, me, I had that link! That was a good thread. I wish that the discussion in it had gone further. I come here everyday looking for threads like these on lighting and materials.

Shane Wrote:
"And no, I'm not going to go against admin when they tell me to delete a post just because I don't think it should be deleted. Sorry if that upsets you. You don't pay me. They do. I don't intentionally single out anybody. If you think you're being singled out then maybe you need to reconsider your behavior in the forum."

So if you got paid by someone to guard a warehouse and the propreitor said to shoot anyone that enters, you would?

And anyway, how on earth can you expect me (or anyone) to show you any respect if you blatantly disregard even the most polite things people post?

Again, I asked if you'd remove a post for me, it's still there, something that would take you a second to do, something I posted by mistake thinking it would help out a member.  If I were the moderator in that situation I'd have happily removed it at the request of the member, so what's the problem there exactly?  What are you waiting for?  I'll tell you, you're not waiting for anything because you have no intention of removing it for me.  It's because it's me that asked if you'd do it, but with anyone else and it would have been removed no problem, just like any decent person would expect.  It's not rocket science, the post was a mistake and I asked politely for it to be removed - simple really.

And you're wrong about the Top of Forum button.  It needs to be where it's supposed to be, and that means whererever you are when you just finished reading a page and want to go "back to index".  That means it needs to be where I said it needs to be, OMG!  You can comment on this stuff, but just like those that are responsible for it, you clearly haven't got a clue what you're talking about.  There's nothing terribly wrong with having it at the top of each page where they have it, but that should only be secondary, it should primarily be where it is needed, at that means at the bottom of each thread page on the same row as the page selection buttons.

I really don't understand why that is so hard to grasp, and of course it isn't, you only have something to say because it's me that mentioned it.

And the naming, well that's just as nondescript as the rest of the design.  I suppose Top of Forum is technically bearable, but if the forum was designed for ease of use and being comfortable to use, it would be called Back to Index, because that's what it does!  The forum designers shouldn't have to take a board meeting, sit around the table trying to get the naming right, they simplly have to do what is obvious.  The Play button on my gear is called a Play button because that's what it does!

Bloody hell, fancy that!

The Back to Index button should be called Back to Index because that's what it does, it's not rocket science, and neither is knowing where to put it (and after all this crap, I'm starting to coming up with rather more interesting places it could be put).  What I pointed out earlier, where I said the button should be, that's just common sense design logic.  The fact that the designer doesn't appear to posses that, is kinda worrying.  So carry on trying to convince people that your behaviour towards me is standard and acceptable, and carry on trying to tell a competent designer that you know better than he does.

Either way, the only person you're kidding, is yourself and perhaps a few gullible ones that might actually believe you.
And before you do, don't bother making a reply to debate the button thing, I know what I'm talking about - you're wrong and I'm right - I'm that confident.

Ladies and gentlemen, kneel to the new Renderosity forum, yet another example of how Apple's bullshit is destroying our lives.  Must cater for the bullshit and to hell with the majority of us who wouldn't touch that crap with a ten foot barge-pole.  Many years ago, some dumbfuck at Apple thought it would be wise to have a one-button mouse, the result being that even Windows users sometimes suffer just so that the one-button bullshit is uniform across platforms for the coders.  And many years ago, some dumfuck at Apple thought it would be cool to have shitty-looking jellybean computers sat on our desktops and to call them iMacs, the result of which has made every talentless designer stick a glossy jellybean gradient over everything they fucking draw.  Sure, it looks as shit as a jellybean iMac does, but things like that have no relevence to sheeple designers that have no talent of their own.

And not too long ago, some dumbfuck at Apple launched the iCrap range, the result of which is that even your quality of life on Renderosity is being effected by it, due to them thinking they need to cater for this bullshit.  What you have here is the result of catering to those fucking touch devices.  And instead of creating a mobile version of the site that parses the same data as the main site, they've destroyed the main site for everyone else.

When are companies going to learn that in the greater scheme of things, hardly anyone even uses those fucking devices!  The millions they sell pale in comparison to the amount of actual computer users out there.  You'd think they'd all learn from Microsoft's mistake when the arrogant bastards took away the Start button and thought they could manipulate the desktop users into touchscreen mentality.

THEY FAILED! ... which is why the Windows Start button is back, it's because they realised that the majority of us are not touchscreen tits, and never will be.  You need a proper desktop forum, and if you want to cater for the touchscreen brigade, fine, bloody well do it right and parse the text from the site and run it into a special iCrap version of the forum intsead of fucking everything up for the rest of us!

renderosity.com for the sensible people.
icrap.renderosity.com for the rest.

Cheers!

Get a job. 

No, don't need one.

What's up, did you decide to join the braindrain just because you don't like hearing facts?
Shame, cause it's people like you that have helped create the slave-race you're a part of.

Everything I wrote in that post is bang-on, so deal with it and don't tell people wiser than you, what to do.
You have to work to make ends meet, I don't, that makes me wiser than you.

Moderators have zero control over how the website is designed or how it functions. We can ask for features added - and trust me I've asked for many features that would improve the functionality of the forum, improve the overall mood of the forum users, and make moderators jobs easier. Such as the ability to split threads when they derail into other conversations, so that the entire thread doesn't get lost and the side topics can become their own threads - a feature that all the other forums I've been to have had for as long as I can remember - and several other features that everyone would benefit from. I don't know if it will ever happen - I don't get feedback on it...

I'm amazed, because the Forum I moderated is at Invision Free, and it had these features.  If a Mod edits a post, it goes in the Moderation log.  I figured that was a subset of what what the full Invision Power Board package offered feature-wise.  Apparently the Admins here don't grant those priviliges to Mods; a pity.  Having said this, this thread really should be scrubbed of the off-topic posts, this one included, or locked and the links copied to a post in  a new thread...

"Get a Job" is what all those gullible dumbasses who thought they'd have a career in iCrap apps is having to do.
Any more snarky comments?

Oh look, he's gone offline now, back to "work" for him I guess :-D

@Rod
No it shouldn't be scrubbed of anything, if things are getting scrubbed all the time then there's little wonder the real sentiments don't get out there and never get sorted.  Admin need to know the score, and them changing their mind and allowing the conversation was actually a good move by them, they need to know this stuff, that's probably why they decided to allow it - and that's a good thing.

Not trying to be argumentative, just blatantly honest.

Anyway, gotta log-off myself now, not to work you understand, it's just that I've got a lovely new Oscilloscope that's just begging to be played with.
And as you can imagine, it's infinitely more fun than all this shit :-D