THIS IS POSER FORUM!!!

In fact. The scope of this thread is to show to the people who think that Poser is the beginning and the end of what CGI can accomplish what happens outside their little ghettwalled garden.

I will post images of humanoid renders, from photorealistic to toonish, made with a variety of tools, from Blender only to the WETA/Pixar/DreamWorks/Disney badassery.

We start, simple and easy.

Data: March 2010, Blenderartists relevant thread.

The author is not very clear, but I presume that no other tools apart Blender have been involved. 

Again from Blenderartists (http://blenderartists.org/forum/showthread.php?372859-Tyrion, this wrecked editor chokes on this URL), June 2015

Modeling/sculpting/texturing in zBrush, everything else in Blender.

Nice. Not understanding why you are allowing yourself to become upset, though. If you find an environment adversarial to your happiness why not choose one that is populated by like minded individuals. Of course if it is some facet of personality that draws you over and over again to something that clearly causes duress (publicly) there are more complex motivations at hand.

Chuck Close, 1968; colored mud applied with a stick and some rodent hairs.

Though I might appreciate the sentiment, even though I despise Blender and its Proudly Constructed By Committee ™ UI, there is a general "3D" forum on these boards... The Poser forum section is for Poser.

(You might post works that use programs other than Blender, but all that's up at this moment is Blenderartists works.)

Diego Fazio; baked carbon and clay embedded in a stick

Yeah, we know poser's junk, but we like it anyway. :-)

I am using Blender and Shade3D, to create my content, and these feed into Poser for me.  I don't use Octane or Reality external renderers.  I guess this set up works for me. Yeah.  Software is like a religion for some people, and some folk get really emotional, even violent, on forums,because of that religion. Hmmm.

THIS IS POSER FORUM!!!

In fact. The scope of this thread is to show to the people who think that Poser is the beginning and the end of what CGI can accomplish what happens outside their little ghettwalled garden.

Do you start the same sort of threads on the 3DMax forums, and the C4D forums and the Modo forums? People use the tool they use because they are happy using it and they are satisfied with the results they can get from it. If they are unhappy, they move to something else. Whatever you use, there's something better, whatever the standard of your work, there's someone producing better work. If people are interested in what happens outside their walled garden (though I suspect many are not), they can easily look, I don't think it's necessary to embark on a crusade to rub people's faces in it.

Most Poser users like to download read-made stuff and make pictures with it. There's other software out there that can make better renders, better hair, better cloth, better skin, better everything actually, but it doesn't have a large, cheap library of ready made stuff, so it requires a huge, huge learning curve to make everything yourself. Most Poser users have chosen not to go that route. Get over it.

To the OP:

You can take any 3D app including Poser and get incredible detail and realism from it. But as others said, Poser is far easier to get anything out of.

High end apps are great, and I use them as well. But as far as quickly setting up something to render, Poser is worlds faster. How far you go after setting it up is another story. Do you spend hours setting it up, or just render it out? Do you break it up into multiple renders and post it together afterwards, or just render it out?

Now that you have posted examples of incredible renders from someone else, how about posting some of yours so we can see how good you are.

Use any other 3D app for that matter. It does not really matter what app you use, you are either good at it or you are not. It does not matter what app is used, it is the talent of the person using it. And posting examples of others works does nothing to prove a point.

Ah.

Another "If its not a modeler, it isn't real CG' thread...

My perspective is this: I animate. I write the script, do the scene blocking, the keyframing, the lighting, set and world construction or kit bashing, audio recording, foley, scoring, etc etc etc.I don't -have- to fondle every vertex; I have neither the time or resources to fumble my way through that one stage of the process. Mesh is a resource to me, not the be all and end all. Figures are potential actors. Poser is just a tool.....one that a lot of actual getting paid pros keep in their kit because it is a source of quick human figures when you either don't have the time to model it, or the client doesn't want to pay the price of custom figures. Most people here don't understand or use 60% of whats under Poser's hood. Guess what? Most of those same people don't know the lion's share of Office, Open Office, or any other program you might name. I certainly don't know or use all the tricks and goodies...just like I don't know all the tricks of Vue 2015. Or Messiah. Or Modo. Or iClone. Or the CS4 Adobe programs I use. Or Pro Tools 10. Or Final Draft. But I know enough to accomplish what I want, and learn a little more in the process. Modelers do amazing things...but that is only one thin step in a very complex dance. I had a Max snob doing the 'I'm so cool' bit with a scene he had crafted lovingly, vertex by vertex; it was a planetscape with the required hi tech structural thingamawhatsis. It was good, and he was being an immature little boy with nonsense about how if it isn't done that way, it isn't 'real computer art'. So I asked him a question. How long did it take him? 6 months, was the answer. At which point I informed him that at that rate, in another 15 years he would have exactly one second of footage in the can. If he plans on making stills to sell at cons, he's set for life. If he wanted to work in the industry, he would probably not get his foot in the door, as he simply took too much time for too little output.

There are a lot of folks who started here who moved on to bigger and better.....and a lot who are quite satisfied with NVIATWAS. I started with Poser just to be able to make images of scenes I'd written about to support my writing. Then the ease of animation caught me, and things grew from there. Now the tool has serious limits to what I want to do, so I adapt.

I think the thread shows more about individual intent than any real interest in 3D art and it does put posts in other threads into context.

Some Poser users have looked over the wall and to see if there is something better than Poser and decided that Poser is the best program for the amount of money that they are prepared to spend on something that is just a hobby, you know those things that you do in your spare time for fun.

In my case I looked over the wall, saw the competition and decided Poser was still the best program for what I wanted to do for the price I was prepared to pay.  I still wanted to expand my 3D art so I spent my money on Vue Studio which gave me better landscapes but was also software that I could use with Poser.  To me, dollar for dollar, that was money and time better spent in expanding my abilities rather than relearning another program that did essentially to same thing.

Thank you for the post though because it has given me the idea of a render using Poser and Vue, V4 in a walled garden.

This is a Poser forum and it's meant to discuss how to's. why's, ideas, tips and etc for Poser users or those who want to learn Poser. I understand you think other programs can do great things and you're excited about it (which is great) but posting in this forum in such a manner isn't following Poser forum rules. I'm locking this thread until my higher-ups can tell me what to do next.