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Subject: Finally found my toon groove


fiziwig2 ( ) posted Wed, 23 September 2015 at 5:34 PM · edited Tue, 26 November 2024 at 1:06 PM

I've been looking for a style, but I didn't know exactly what I was looking for, except that I wanted the "old fashion comic book" look. Raw Poser renders were too realistic for that, so I've been experimenting, and I finally stumbled onto the look I was going for. I knew it was the right one as soon as I found it.

Just by way of comparison, here are two previous versions, followed by the latest, greatest, old-fashioned comic book look:

FIRST TRY: (Not too bad, I guess)

first-try.jpg

(SECOND TRY: OK, but I wasn't really excited about it.)

second-try.png

(AND THE WINNER IS...)

final-PNL.png


willshetterly ( ) posted Wed, 23 September 2015 at 5:53 PM

I like it, but if you're after a comic book feel, you might see if you can find something that provides more of a black outline. There are some Photoshop actions for sale here by AdamWright and Darkworld and maybe others that you might like, if you haven't seen them already.


rokket ( ) posted Wed, 23 September 2015 at 8:42 PM

In order to stand out, you have to have a visual style that no one else has. I'd say you found it. You'll notice as time goes on that you will continue to tweak it and in a couple years, you will look back and notice improvements. It might be hard to look at your first works.

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fiziwig2 ( ) posted Wed, 23 September 2015 at 10:18 PM

willshetterly posted at 10:09PM Wed, 23 September 2015 - #4230396

I like it, but if you're after a comic book feel, you might see if you can find something that provides more of a black outline. There are some Photoshop actions for sale here by AdamWright and Darkworld and maybe others that you might like, if you haven't seen them already.

Good advice. I would like a bolder outline, but I don't have Photoshop. I use Paintshop Pro. (I've used it since version 0 in 1990, and I'm used to it.)

I have been seriously considering getting a drawing tablet and doing my outlining by hand, or, (since I'm a retired programmer) writing my own Paintshop plugin to do outlining. (But that's another whole can or worms!)

Another alternative is a Poser shader for outlining. Then I could use a render from that as an overlay on a layer in Paintshop.


rokket ( ) posted Thu, 24 September 2015 at 12:02 AM

GIMP is a free program that has a lot of photoshop style features and isn't that hard to learn. It's got a pretty decent toon oultiner. Just giving you another alternative.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


fiziwig2 ( ) posted Thu, 24 September 2015 at 12:37 AM

rokket posted at 12:36AM Thu, 24 September 2015 - #4230442

GIMP is a free program that has a lot of photoshop style features and isn't that hard to learn. It's got a pretty decent toon oultiner. Just giving you another alternative.

Cool. My laptop is Linux and I have Gimp on it. I've just never tried it.


rokket ( ) posted Thu, 24 September 2015 at 2:13 AM

As I said, it's fairly easy to learn, plus there are a bunch of tutorials all over the net on how to do certain things. I have the latest and greatest version on my laptop, and I use it almost as much as I use Poser and Wings.

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


ghonma ( ) posted Thu, 24 September 2015 at 3:28 AM

One easy way to get nice ink lines is to render a normal pass and then run an edge detect filter on it (IIRC Gimp also has it). For smoother results you can even try a render at double the size of your final output and then resize it down.


rokket ( ) posted Thu, 24 September 2015 at 3:43 AM

ghonma posted at 1:43AM Thu, 24 September 2015 - #4230458

One easy way to get nice ink lines is to render a normal pass and then run an edge detect filter on it (IIRC Gimp also has it). For smoother results you can even try a render at double the size of your final output and then resize it down.

This render was done with GIMP's cartoon filter set at default.

toon.png

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


rokket ( ) posted Thu, 24 September 2015 at 3:45 AM

This one was done by duplicating the layer, the top one had edge detect applied, then I set the image mode to subtract.

edge.png

If I had a nickle for ever time a woman told me to get lost, I could buy Manhattan.


rokket ( ) posted Thu, 24 September 2015 at 3:47 AM

Both renders are my WW suit for Sydney with new boots that I am modeling for her. The lighting is default, I used BB's envirosphere and rendered with IDL and raytracing on.

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Boni ( ) posted Thu, 24 September 2015 at 8:58 AM

IF you have Poser Pro 2014, you can do a lot with the comicbook settings there. This was done purely in Poser (with 3rd party figures and props).

Steampunk_Sidekick.png

Boni



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false1 ( ) posted Thu, 24 September 2015 at 10:01 AM

I saw a video by Daniel Eskridge, I believe, on how to use PSD filters in GIMP. Might be useful. Also check out MonoPrice graphic tablets. Way, way cheaper than Wacom but good enough for your purposes I think. Especially if you're just trying to get a feel for it.

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fiziwig2 ( ) posted Thu, 24 September 2015 at 11:45 AM

Thanks everyone for that information. @false1 - I like the look of the MonoPrice tablet. I like to price even better. hehe. I think I'll get one and play around with it. @boni - Yes, I have Poser Pro. I've also discovered lots of custom sketch render settings to experiment with. @rokket - That GIMP outlining looks pretty good. I'll definitely give that a try. @ghonma - I've been using 150% to work with, but if these drawings are going to end up in a graphic novel format, as panels on a page, then I may want to reduce them even smaller, and use 200% or more for the originals. But then I have to make my lines bolder so they will show up right in a smaller panel.


Boni ( ) posted Fri, 25 September 2015 at 8:52 AM

The comicbook style is NOT in the sketch render ... it's separate. Once you discover it, it'll be like a free-for-all in a candy store!!! It is amazing!

  • Left click in the preview window
  • At the bottom of the menu is "Toon tones"
  • Experiment with them in color and black and white
  • Adjust lines etc. in render settings: preview tab
  • Adjust contrast with item circled in red
  • Play with document display styles in conjunction with comic tones
  • Check out webinar on toon shading at SmithMicro, Poser's home.
  • Oh, and switch to preview mode to render for the comic style.

Comic_guide1.jpg

Boni



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fiziwig2 ( ) posted Fri, 25 September 2015 at 10:59 AM

Boni posted at 10:50AM Fri, 25 September 2015 - #4230674

The comicbook style is NOT in the sketch render ... it's separate. Once you discover it, it'll be like a free-for-all in a candy store!!! It is amazing!

Yes, I know. That's what I've been using. I experimented a bit with sketch render, but it wasn't at all like what I wanted. All these samples I've posted were done in the Poser preview window, the "pose" window, NOT with sketch render.

I discovered that if I add the outlining BEFORE I do the watercolor filter in FotoSketcher it comes out much better. Here's the latest version: (But I think I got the outlining a little TOO heavy on this one. I need to dial it back just a little.)

tooning-F.png


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