As I reported ALL the problems with the library in the bugs folder, another problem I'm encountering, besides the absolutely horrible new search. Example, put in terradome sky.....everything that has sky in its title, also appears. So, you put in just terradome, all the terradome folders appear. BUT, if you put you pointer over the folder, nothing appears. I have NO idea what folder I'm looking at.

And, because of how it's program, I have to pick locate and go to the category for whatever I'm looking at to find what the hell in the folder. I'm really starting to hate PP11 with a passion. This from a person that has, Poser 8, PP10, 12, and 14. I'm trying to work with PP11, but its a BAD program, SM should never had offered it in the state this POS is in.

I agree. Have sent SM messages...They are working on it(should have been fixed already)...I even told them If I could I would request my money back.

vitachick posted at 1:47PM Sun, 06 March 2016 - #4259545

I agree. Have sent SM messages...They are working on it(should have been fixed already)...I even told them If I could I would request my money back.

I agree, if I could send this back, I would.

I just tried the same test, my terradome showed up. Hovering my mouse over the several items did show the pathway. That said, oddly enough Laroo showed up too.

That attached much larger than it actually is.. not sure what's going on there with the attachment.... My item search was very, very fast.

I use Library Manager 2 from semidieu at RDNA. No more headaches.

I usually just work with the explorer or a library image program for the runtime . since poser 8 or 9 all the stuff can be loaded with drag and drop into the scene, it does not even affect the undo of poser , this way I can run the different needed folders at once in the background , it saves allot of time and scrolling. Poser also does not care if you have PP2 or Pz2 files in the figure folder this way you can even have all the texture settings props for the figure in the same figure folder. makes arranging very easy . it allows you through explorer also to load multiple items at once , this way after loading a entire outfit collection at once I just click the doll and run Conform all Py . the best way to have more space in poser as the Library does not have to be open.

no real need for an integrated Poser Library choose the explorer or image program that you like best this sure saves you some headaches and time

honzu posted at 7:33PM Sun, 06 March 2016 - #4259569

I use Library Manager 2 from semidieu at RDNA. No more headaches.

Are you talking about the Shaderworks Library Manager? And I'm guessing it works with PP11? Just looked at it, and was very impressed, just wanted to be sure it works with PP11 before spending $25.

This should what Poser should have done with their library.

Is there any way to STOP this damn library from working in that damn "indexing in progress" mode?

I'm unable to continue to work because it is so buggy that nothing is possible. I can't even get textures on anything. And there is no way to stop this "indexing" except to close Poser and because it's still running in the task manager I have to close it there too.

mackis3D posted at 8:30PM Sun, 06 March 2016 - #4259601

Is there any way to STOP this damn library from working in that damn "indexing in progress" mode?

I'm unable to continue to work because it is so buggy that nothing is possible. I can't even get textures on anything. And there is no way to stop this "indexing" except to close Poser and because it's still running in the task manager I have to close it there too.

The fix I found for the library indexing, someone mention it had to do with Windows 10 and security. So I did, went to the main pp11 file and open properties. Once in properties, just go to security and check allow on everything. Admin, users, go down the list and just allow. I then restarted my computer and the library was no longer indexing.

LMFAO .. i feel your pain ... this library is horrifyingly bad ....... apparently the beta testers never needed to search for anything when they tested this shite..... the hilarious part of this whole thing is that the 2014 library was rock solid ....... i would have poser crash around me and the library would remain functional ..lol

There have been complaints about the new java script library from the very beginning. If you hop over to the official P11 forum at RDNA and search, there is a thread on using the Flash/Air library from the previous version if you have it installed. Shaderworks library manager works in P11 as does D3D's Python based library app sold here at Rendo. There is a free light version of P3do Explorer you can try as well.

artdude41 posted at 9:52AM Mon, 07 March 2016 - #4259649

LMFAO .. i feel your pain ... this library is horrifyingly bad ....... apparently the beta testers never needed to search for anything when they tested this shite..... the hilarious part of this whole thing is that the 2014 library was rock solid ....... i would have poser crash around me and the library would remain functional ..lol

Please please please stop making assertions about what we beta testers did not do, particularly about Paul and Pauline and the library. We complained TERRIBLY. So many bug reports got made about these. I'm a little bit butt hurt that my desires on these subjects were never met.

Do NOT claim it's my fault as a beta tester.

rachel12 posted at 7:07PM Mon, 07 March 2016 - #4259599

honzu posted at 7:33PM Sun, 06 March 2016 - #4259569

I use Library Manager 2 from semidieu at RDNA. No more headaches.

Are you talking about the Shaderworks Library Manager? And I'm guessing it works with PP11? Just looked at it, and was very impressed, just wanted to be sure it works with PP11 before spending $25.

yes and yes.

New features in Poser are often maddening when first introduced, but usually they get better. Look at the Morph Brush! It wasn't terribly useful at first, but now it's Made Of Awesome. Very carefully avoid looking at the Hair Room design tools, which were very bad from the start and have remained that way. I would inset some emoticon to indicate that I am laughing now, if I knew how to do it at Rosity, these days.

That said, the horribleness of the P11 library is a black mark on Poser. The library is one of the most important features of the program, and to have it so badly broken for so long is a disaster. I wish they would treat the state of the library as the crisis it is, and make fixing it a top priority.

I guess programming a library must be really, really hard to do, or something.

If it's not broke don't fix it... So why did they change to java script? Java is just a back door to hackers anyway.

They changed because an incredible number of users would not stop talking about how bad it was to use Flash.

Why switch from Flash with an Internet Explorer dependency to Java with an Internet Explorer dependency, is what I wonder. Why not just throw out those external dependencies, which have broken the library altogether in the past? I assume there's some good reason for not programming a library that is native to Poser, like we had back before Poser 8. Does the decision to use Wx as the Poser GUI foundation force them to use this plugin approach somehow? The whole thing is a puzzle.

Sigh. I have said so many times but for some reason it doesn't get passed around.

SM wanted one library for all their graphic apps, particularly Poser and Anime Studio. AS was written in Visual Basic and so the only "native" library for it would be in VB. Poser was written in C++ so the only native library would be in C++. So to share a library (which is, indeed, not easy to write) would require some sort of graphic-rich cross platform library with a language that works on every platform.

Flash fits that bill perfectly and was easy to embed into any application by embedding a browser.

Any solution not using a browser, common language, and common runtime would increase the cost of both applications considerably.

People hated the Flash, so they dumped it and switched to HTML 5. But HTML is notoriously difficult to write in.

I wrote the Flash + ActionScript + Flex version (for Poser 8) originally in just a few weeks, and the first update for Poser 9 in less than two weeks.

They've spent months and months on this HTML + Javacript version. Maybe more than a man year. It's really a pain in the ass.

There isn't much incentive to fix things if people keep buying the software...bugs and all.

The company that I'm working for now won't use Flash either and I have to write client-side dazzling things in Javascript. It is mind-blowingly painful. The simplest things take hours to build and test. But the application I'm doing now is a web-based app and doing a native client-side app is out of the question. Way too complicated to get it built for Windows, OSX, Solaris, Linux, you name it. Believe me, they are paying for it. So far I've made half a million dollars writing this app for more than a year, and it could have been done in a few weeks for less than $50K if I'd been allowed to use Flash. Whatever ... I get paid no matter what way I build things.

Thanks for the info, BB. Sorry to have caused you to repeat the explanation again. I was away for a while, and I guess I missed your earlier posts on the topic.

I guess they did have a reason for doing it this way. A good reason? Perhaps not, purely from a Poser perspective. Sort of sounds like SM handed the Poser Team an ugly mess, with this one. I suppose a lot of the things we gripe about here are like that, handed down from above by the company that owns Poser, and the Team does its best to make things work.

my issue with the library is my folders in my external runtimes are in date order not alphabetical. It make a challenge searching for things sometime

kittykat98 posted at 5:46PM Mon, 07 March 2016 - #4259749

There isn't much incentive to fix things if people keep buying the software...bugs and all.

Quite true but when people are not comfortable with any cg character program outside of poser they continue to pay .... bugs& rubbish figures included.

kittykat98 posted at 8:28PM Tue, 08 March 2016 - #4259749

There isn't much incentive to fix things if people keep buying the software...bugs and all.

Who says we are buying the software?

hornet3d posted at 3:13PM Tue, 08 March 2016 - #4259931

kittykat98 posted at 8:28PM Tue, 08 March 2016 - #4259749

There isn't much incentive to fix things if people keep buying the software...bugs and all.

Who says we are buying the software?

If you are not a beta tester , it is reasonable to assume you are, at a minimum ,paying the upgrade price. For some users that price needs to be justified by new features that add value to the program.

But for many its just a matter of having the latest version or some bizarre sense of loyalty to SM or whomever.

rachel12 posted at 2:30AM Wed, 09 March 2016 - #4259604

The fix I found for the library indexing, someone mention it had to do with Windows 10 and security. So I did, went to the main pp11 file and open properties. Once in properties, just go to security and check allow on everything. Admin, users, go down the list and just allow. I then restarted my computer and the library was no longer indexing.

Thanks, I will try that even though I'm working with Windows 7.

The alternative library from Semidieu and Dimension3D are far better

I use Xl library from Dimension3d with Poser 11 pro and windows 10 without problem

And no @rachel12 it doesn't make any difference. The unnerving "indexing in process" is still freezing Poser Pro 11 and makes heavy usage of CPU. No other way than to kill the process in the task manager. They already had 2 SR's out and this is still not fixed.

Yes there are alternative libraries but why spend more money when one that I already paid for should work? It's the first time I'm really angry with SmithMicro.

Reading through, I can only agree with the problems folks are facing, as I face them too. However, just in case anyone from SM is reading and feeling disheartened, I just want to say that the addition of tags in the library is a fantastic idea! It's one that I called for time and time again, over years, through multiple Poser versions, and it is finally here! Of course, I'm not sure if it WORKS as yet, but it's there! I have only been using this for two days and I'm yet to figure it all out.

Still, at least SM are keeping up appearances with the rest of the software companies out there and releasing part-baked software which needs updating almost weekly until the next new version is released! It happens everywhere and it's horrible. Imagine if that kept happening with cars! Every month, you have to take it back to the dealer and do without it for anything up to two hours while they make 'tweaks', replace 'dangerous parts' or rectify faults. Nobody would be buying cars, lol!

Still, that's just my input.

The answer to this is to simply boycott SM until stuff is properly fixed. My paid for copy of PP 2014 crashed constantly despite all five updates and SM didn't do stink. I feel that they owe me either my money back or a free copy of PP 11 that does work. I email them constantly reminding them that I will NOT buy Poser until it runs properly.

bagginsbill posted at 8:35AM Sun, 13 March 2016 - #4259748

Sigh. I have said so many times but for some reason it doesn't get passed around.

SM wanted one library for all their graphic apps, particularly Poser and Anime Studio. AS was written in Visual Basic and so the only "native" library for it would be in VB. Poser was written in C++ so the only native library would be in C++. So to share a library (which is, indeed, not easy to write) would require some sort of graphic-rich cross platform library with a language that works on every platform.

Flash fits that bill perfectly and was easy to embed into any application by embedding a browser.

Any solution not using a browser, common language, and common runtime would increase the cost of both applications considerably.

People hated the Flash, so they dumped it and switched to HTML 5. But HTML is notoriously difficult to write in.

I wrote the Flash + ActionScript + Flex version (for Poser 8) originally in just a few weeks, and the first update for Poser 9 in less than two weeks.

They've spent months and months on this HTML + Javacript version. Maybe more than a man year. It's really a pain in the ass.

Wow. What a crazy story. Makes perfect sense, and tragic. So Smith, with a product written in perfectly good and appropriate to task C++ decided it had to be reengineered to share a library structure with a Visual Basic application?

Wowzers, that goes into a project management hall of shame . . .

Why anyone wanted a web technology for a database application always puzzled me, thank you for explanation.

rachel12 posted at 12:14PM Tue, 15 March 2016 - #4259604

mackis3D posted at 8:30PM Sun, 06 March 2016 - #4259601

Is there any way to STOP this damn library from working in that damn "indexing in progress" mode?

I'm unable to continue to work because it is so buggy that nothing is possible. I can't even get textures on anything. And there is no way to stop this "indexing" except to close Poser and because it's still running in the task manager I have to close it there too.

The fix I found for the library indexing, someone mention it had to do with Windows 10 and security. So I did, went to the main pp11 file and open properties. Once in properties, just go to security and check allow on everything. Admin, users, go down the list and just allow. I then restarted my computer and the library was no longer indexing.

I tried above and guess what???

Thought Poser11 only had to index once...

honzu posted at 8:43AM Fri, 01 April 2016 - #4259709

rachel12 posted at 7:07PM Mon, 07 March 2016 - #4259599

honzu posted at 7:33PM Sun, 06 March 2016 - #4259569

I use Library Manager 2 from semidieu at RDNA. No more headaches.

Are you talking about the Shaderworks Library Manager? And I'm guessing it works with PP11? Just looked at it, and was very impressed, just wanted to be sure it works with PP11 before spending $25.

yes and yes.

I tried to install on Poser Pro 11 and does not show up. Instructions are for older version of poser...How did you get it to work????? So tired of the eternal indexing..No matter what suggestions were made it just does not work. Opened Poser Pro 11 and set on figures. Been indexing for 2 hrs..Thought it was only suppose to index once get updated and it won't happen again...