Not sure what the process is for this. I have downloaded and installed the latest version of Daz Studio and the DSON scripts into Poser 11 Pro. What do I do now? I'm completely lost here. Do I need the files loaded into DS first? What files do I need? Just dealing with G1 and/or G2 figures.

If you are looking to use Genesis/Genesis 2 in Poser then you will need to install both the DAZ and Poser Companion files. However, this is where it gets tricky because different users have different methods of installation. Technically, you don't really need DAZStudio to port Genesis/Genesis2 into Poser, but if wouldn't hurt to learn another app in case you want to give Genesis 3 a go. This is my approach which seems to work for me. Load all your DAZ based files into the DAZStudio content folder (typically named My DAZ Library) and link this folder to Poser. Important step, don't neglect it. Next, create new external runtimes for your Genesis/Genesis 2 figures and content and also link to Poser; load all Poser Companion Files into those folders.

Now, if the DSON python script is properly installed, you should be able to click on the Genesis/Genesis 2 icons of your associated Poser Libraries and have the models appear on your Poser stage. It will appear with SubD activated which I suggest to turn off before doing any posing and adding content. The SubD has a tendency to slow down the system. If you get to this stage, you are good to go.

Decide before hand if you are going to use DAZ Install Manager to install your content. If you chose to manually install, you will need to remove all files within the DAZ zip content folder before moving them to their new location; otherwise you will be nesting your content files within a folder not recognized by DAZ or Poser. Using the DIM will do that automatically for you and I think much more efficient. I haven't had any problems approaching installs through this method.

To get Genesis 2 M/F working in Poser you need the following from DAZ. All are free.

DSON Importer for Poser Genesis2Female Starter Essentials Genesis2Female Starter Essentials PoserCF Genesis2Male Starter Essentials Genesis2Male Starter Essentials PoserCF

Optional but a good idea. Again free.

Genesis2 DMC Templates Genesis2Male and Genesis2Female

Good, now we can start.

1. Run the DSON Importer. It asks for the location of Poser. Mine asked for PP2012 but I have an old DSON file. The newest one may ask for PP2014. Point it to Poser. Poser is located in "YourDriveLetter/ProgramFiles/Smith Micro". You may need Administrator priviledges to do this.

2. Go to where your Runtimes live. Usually My Documents or Public Documents. Make a new folder. I called mine "Genesis Stuff". Use whatever name you want.

3. Unzip the Genesis2Female Started Essentials into the new "Genesis Stuff" folder you've made. Inside you will find a Content folder and 2 dsx files. Open the Content folder and you will find a bunch more folders inside. Select everything and copy/paste it up one level. In other words copy and paste all these folders to your "Genesis Stuff" folder. Right next to the Content folder you copied everything from in the first place.

4. Delete the Content folder you took everything from. Now do the same for the PoserCF file. Unzip and copy everything from Content up one level to "Genesis Stuff" and delete the Content folder.

5. Open Poser and add a new Runtime. When Poser asks you to find this new Runtime point it to your "Genesis Stuff" folder.

Congrats. You now have Genesis2Female working in Poser. Do the same with the G2Male or any other DAZ product you buy. Select everything in the Content folder of the ZIP and move it up one level.

There is a lag in Poser as the DSON script is called almost every mouse click you make but it is acceptable.

Edited to add: the forum has trashed the formatting of this post.

@hborre thanks for the help! Got the DIM installed and DAZ studio has content now.

@parkdalegardener Thanks as well! Your instructions worked without a hitch. Gen 1 and 2 open in Poser!

OTOH, the way to avoid having lag in Poser because of DSON is to use it as little as possible. I have found it easier to export the figures out as a Poser .cr2 and not have to worry about DSON. I do the same with poses. Oh, and make sure you have the 1.1.3.50 version of the DSON Importer. The 1.2 branch causes divots in the ankle & neck of the golum.

Oh, and one more thing.....

If you expect to actually find anything, you will have to spend some quality time unscrewing the mess that vendors make with their products. Here is a typical example of what I am talking about:

I have the Grantham Hall Suit for G2M. (It's a pretty good suit, btw). It has some additional texture sets made for it by both it's creator (Sarsa) and Moyra (who makes texture sets for a lot of DS products).

In a world that had a competent QA staff at DAZ, they would ensure that texture pack addons would reside underneath the Grantham Hall Suit subfolder in the clothing folder. Alas, we don't live in that world, so the QA staff at DAZ allows Moyra to place her addons in the same level as the base product. And to add the cherry on top, there is absolutely nothing that gives the end user a clue that BonVivant and TropicalWeight go with the Grantham Hall Suit. (We'll leave the fact that DAZ in 2016 still allows vendors torunallthefilenamestogether for another time (and rant).

That is for clothing. For a nightmare version of the above, see Mad Nurse for golum 1 & golum 2.

Another thing to remember is that in Poser, the golum will have every morph it can "see" stuffed into it. Which means if you don't want a heavy (ram-wise) figure, it would be smart to make separate runtimes for them. This means that the figures are about 80Mb in size (useful in multi-figure scenes) In my case, I break everything out as follows:

Genesis 1 Male Runtime (holds base morphs only, along with Clothing, Hair, and Poses, and any morph I want added to every single figure, in my case nails) Genesis 1 Male Characters (holds human characters) David 5 Runtime (D5 characters) Freak 5 Runtime Hiro 5 Runtime Justin 5 Runtime Michael 5 Runtime

Genesis 1 Aliens (holds alien figures)

Genesis 1 Female Runtime (as Genesis 1 Male Runtime) Genesis 1 Female Characters (holds human characters) Aiko 5 Runtime (A5 characters) Julie 5 Runtime (J5 characters) Victoria 5 Runtime (V5 characters)

Genesis 1 After Dark (all those gens morphs that vendors add to their characters, as well as the geografts) - Why do I do this? Because I don't want them in my child figures.

Genesis 2 Male Characters (holds G2M characters) Brodie 6 Darius 6 Genesis 2 Male Gianni 6 Jayden 6 Lee 6 Michael 6

Aiko 6 Belle 6 Gia 6 Giselle 6 Josie 6 Lilith 6 Mei Lin 6 Monique 6 Olympia 6 Skyler 6 Stephanie Petite 6 Victoria 6 Ysabeau 6

C'mon ssybryan... how does that help the OP? Mods?

Perhaps ssbryan did go on a bit of a tangent, but it is good to know that there are some path issues to be aware of and the first statement is helpful. I will caution ssybran against comments that can be seen as bashing DAZ, although it's more frustration than actual software bashing. We all have our issues with software. Be careful.

Boni posted at 9:14AM Mon, 31 October 2016 - #4288359

Perhaps ssbryan did go on a bit of a tangent, but it is good to know that there are some path issues to be aware of and the first statement is helpful. I will caution ssybran against comments that can be seen as bashing DAZ, although it's more frustration than actual software bashing. We all have our issues with software. Be careful.

Boni, the main issue is that Ssybryan is incorrect with the path issue, and also uses examples for products that are over 3-5 years old. That's why it's not helpful to the OP. If you're going to make such assertions they need to be correct. And after years of these type of posts, they need to be helpful to those that are trying to make use of these characters without biased embellishments. Seriously, it's not hard to simply say "I would watch out for x or y".. without throwing insults. We are all adults here.

Also the issue was already solved by making sure DIM is properly configured. If you're moving files around without knowing the impact, then you are going to run into issues.

Male_M3dia posted at 6:53AM Mon, 31 October 2016 - #4288364

Boni posted at 9:14AM Mon, 31 October 2016 - #4288359

Perhaps ssbryan did go on a bit of a tangent, but it is good to know that there are some path issues to be aware of and the first statement is helpful. I will caution ssybran against comments that can be seen as bashing DAZ, although it's more frustration than actual software bashing. We all have our issues with software. Be careful.

Boni, the main issue is that Ssybryan is incorrect with the path issue, and also uses examples for products that are over 3-5 years old. That's why it's not helpful to the OP. If you're going to make such assertions they need to be correct. And after years of these type of posts, they need to be helpful to those that are trying to make use of these characters without biased embellishments. Seriously, it's not hard to simply say "I would watch out for x or y".. without throwing insults. We are all adults here.

Also the issue was already solved by making sure DIM is properly configured. If you're moving files around without knowing the impact, then you are going to run into issues.

How should the DIM be configured? I used it to load the models into DS but did a second download and manually installed the content for Poser as parkdalegardener suggested.

I personally don't use the DIM ... but you can direct where all your files are installed based on whether it is Poser or DS ... or at least 3 years ago when I used it regularly it did. I am not up to date as I am now by personal choice primarily a Poser user. Someone more up to date can help you with this .. and please. Let's not have a software debate, just the facts. Ok?

You can do it either way ghostship. It's just that if you don't download thru the DIM, the DIM doesn't know it's been installed. That's the only difference :)

If you want real help in rearranging your DS folders (if you desire) without all the name-calling, just remember: the data folder and the Runtime folder in the DS folder structure need to stay where they are. Most of the other folders can go where you want them. So if you WANT to move Moyra's material files for Grantham Hall Suit into a subfolder under the main item, you can. ;) This Daz forum thread might be worth a read.

Laurie

Also if you manually install from zips, the top level folder in the zip file, "Content", is a dummy folder used by DIM so you want to copy out the contents/folders below that. Otherwise your content will be one level down from where poser/DS is looking for it.

Boni posted at 1:05PM Mon, 31 October 2016 - #4288368

I personally don't use the DIM ... but you can direct where all your files are installed based on whether it is Poser or DS ... or at least 3 years ago when I used it regularly it did. I am not up to date as I am now by personal choice primarily a Poser user. Someone more up to date can help you with this .. and please. Let's not have a software debate, just the facts. Ok?

Have you spent 1 - 4 hours a day for 6 months trying to figure the best way to use the golum and associated products in Poser? I have.

It isn't a software debate Boni. It is an accurate statement of what happens when you have more than a handful of native DS items. Do you think I liked having to come up with the setup I mentioned above? The DIM is why I ended up reworking all of the subfolders.

As of today, I have 1,042 packages (according to the very appropriately named DIM) installed in DAZ's default layout (99% are genesis 1 & 2 - a couple of V4 products may have slipped thu ). It is breathtaking how many subfolders have only another subfolder in it, along with how many products are unhelpfully hidden away inside of an ego subfolder. Unless the enduser takes active steps to bring order, they will spend most of their time blindly drilling through subfolder after subfolder, looking for a product they know they have purchased.

Every genesis product install is a snowflake, Male_M3dia's poor attempts a deflection won't change that - every single install is different, and unless the enduser memorizes what every single product goes with, they are going to have to do cleanup to actually find the products they purchased.

One other piece of advice - Poser Companion Files - I have over 1000 DS packages installed - Not 1 product has all of the PCF files in the correct folder. Not 1.

I'd also recommend resaving those out as Poser native files.

The DAZ vendors could do it (and a couple do provide native Poser files for their Companion Files), but for the most part they don't. It only takes a couple of seconds, and once you have done it, you have even less need to use DSON while in creative mode.

The add-on framework in Poser isn't really designed to do the kind of heavy lifting that DSON requires. This is an issue with Python, not Poser (or DAZ, for that matter) - Python is 32-bit (with the 2GB per process limit - this is why Poser slows to a crawl when using DSON - EVERYTHING has to go through that 2Gb, unless you save stuff out as Poser native) and the folks that maintain the Python language aren't doing very much to migrate it to 64-bits. Not surprising, Python is designed to be a light weight scripting language.

ssgbryan posted at 5:41PM Mon, 31 October 2016 - #4288413

Have you spent 1 - 4 hours a day for 6 months trying to figure the best way to use the golum and associated products in Poser? I have.

And I spent 5 years developing with it. And you're still incorrect with your assessments.

It isn't a software debate Boni. It is an accurate statement of what happens when you have more than a handful of native DS items. Do you think I liked having to come up with the setup I mentioned above? The DIM is why I ended up reworking all of the subfolders.

Let's go with your Mad Nurse example that you said is so bad. I have it as well. The texture files are stored in /Runtime/Textures/RD/MadNurse... No subfolder there; where is yours installed? The files for the product itself is in /People/Genesis 2 Female/Clothing/G2FMadNurse... no subfolders there either. I think it's more of user error. That's why you've struggled for hours, so let's not spread misinformation about how bad the set is. You can also see the docs of where the files are supposed to be installed in the online docs as well as in DIM (by clicking the 'i' on the item you want to install) so you can verify if you've installed it in a different place.

As of today, I have 1,042 packages (according to the very appropriately named DIM) installed in DAZ's default layout (99% are genesis 1 & 2 - a couple of V4 products may have slipped thu ). It is breathtaking how many subfolders have only another subfolder in it, along with how many products are unhelpfully hidden away inside of an ego subfolder. Unless the enduser takes active steps to bring order, they will spend most of their time blindly drilling through subfolder after subfolder, looking for a product they know they have purchased.

Once again, I'm going to assert that you probably have a bad install due to user error rather than products installed poorly. Chances are I have the same products if not more than you do.

Every genesis product install is a snowflake, Male_M3dia's poor attempts a deflection won't change that - every single install is different, and unless the enduser memorizes what every single product goes with, they are going to have to do cleanup to actually find the products they purchased.

I'm going to assert that this is incorrect as well. Give me another example and i'm sure I'll check my install and verify it as well. If you decided to play with your install settings that's more likely the issue.

One other piece of advice - Poser Companion Files - I have over 1000 DS packages installed - Not 1 product has all of the PCF files in the correct folder. Not 1.

What do you deem incorrect? QA has locations of where each file is supposed to be located. If you are stating an opinion, then that's far different than it being wrong. What's an example?

I'd also recommend resaving those out as Poser native files.

The DAZ vendors could do it (and a couple do provide native Poser files for their Companion Files), but for the most part they don't. It only takes a couple of seconds, and once you have done it, you have even less need to use DSON while in creative mode.

Making companion files doesn't automatically make a product poser compatible; it does require planning beforehand to make products work in both programs. Keep in mind that clothing does not have to be grouped in DS for genesis figures. So if it's not grouped, it's dead in the water for poser, so a companion file will not be needed. Some vendors that make poser items may still group their items so it may work, but if the companion file isn't there, there is a risk it won't work in Poser. So your assertion on that is incorrect as well.

The add-on framework in Poser isn't really designed to do the kind of heavy lifting that DSON requires. This is an issue with Python, not Poser (or DAZ, for that matter) - Python is 32-bit (with the 2GB per process limit - this is why Poser slows to a crawl when using DSON - EVERYTHING has to go through that 2Gb, unless you save stuff out as Poser native) and the folks that maintain the Python language aren't doing very much to migrate it to 64-bits. Not surprising, Python is designed to be a light weight scripting language.

Not sure about the 32-bit, as HD requires 64-bit to work in Poser; but the way the framework issue (and other issues as well) is the reason why Genesis 3 does not use DSON and I think no more development will happen with the importer.

All this noise is why I stopped posting here a couple years back. The OP asked how to get Genesis working in Poser. I have posted a valid and functional way to do this that has worked consistently since DAZ changed to it's new figures as has hborre. The rest of this thread is noise.

parkdalegardener posted at 9:01AM Tue, 01 November 2016 - #4288472

All this noise is why I stopped posting here a couple years back. The OP asked how to get Genesis working in Poser. I have posted a valid and functional way to do this that has worked consistently since DAZ changed to it's new figures as has hborre. The rest of this thread is noise.

Amen, Brotha!!!!

Poser AND Daz products have always caused problems with content organization for the simple reason that there has never been a strict standardization. As a result, I have always installed ALL my content manually, renaming, moving, and deleting files and folders along the way.

It's not an issue which is unique to Daz. The content that ships natively with Poser is woefully disorganized as well. As are most of the offerings by independent Poser content vendors. Daz dealt with the problem by creating a content management system. Poser... well... Poser just leaves it up to the user -- which is fine by me and preferred by many.

The advice to actually look at what's inside the zips and be aware of the folder structure is very good advice indeed. Learn now how the files and folders are structured and what you can and cannot move or rename. Then get in the habit of organizing your assets in a way that suits your particular workflow.

The lack of standardization is a PITA, but it's the result of having thousands and thousands of independent vendors and customers, each of whom had/have different ideas of how things should be organized. I don't blame anyone really. It is what it is.

So with that in mind, I believe it's best to be aware of potential issues, and then just be ready to dig in and do your own thing. :) Good luck!

After a decade away from Poser, I've a combination of 'classic' files salvaged from my P3/P4 days plus a raft of 'modern' stuff, including the Gen #1 & #2 packs bundled with Carrara. To put it politely, getting Gen content into my Poser 11 Pro totally baffled me... The above comments have really, really helped. Thank you.

I just let DIM do it’s chaotic best and then go to finder and move the files into sensible folders like “V4 Clothing.” DIM almost always gets it right with Genesis 2 products, which fall under the DAZ file structure of people, e.g. Genesis 2 Female/Clothing. You can find instructions elsewhere on how to convert DSON products to Poser native ones, as well as “DS only” products that you export as cr2’s from DS. Once you do the conversion, there is no DSON lag at all.

For those of you who want to have genesis as native poser figures I found this video useful. I only ever tried a couple of of years ago but assume the method still works with the latest versions of poser and daz for genesis 1 at least. (I have enough poser women (and men) emptying my wallet to keep in clothes that I don't need genesis demanding outfits as well!!) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDYEvSb7jQs

Here's a short "how to" convert to native I posted at Hivewire 3D. You can now buy Creator's Toybox there.