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Subject: Lighting mystery


Anthony Appleyard ( ) posted Sun, 12 November 2017 at 10:43 AM · edited Sat, 01 February 2025 at 9:45 AM

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On this image (a photograph, not a CGI), the shadows of the astronaut, and the rock and the tripod at bottom left, show that the sunlight is from 35 degrees or so above the horizon, from southwest if the direction that the astronaut is looking is treated as north, i.e. from behind all the objects. Then why is the visible front of the astronaut so brightly lit? On the airless moon there is no "ambience" effect caused by air and clouds diffusing light.

If the cause is Earth-light or camera-flash, why are the other shadows still black?


ypvs ( ) posted Sun, 12 November 2017 at 11:32 AM

Plenty of work in the dark room- extra exposure on the suit whilst masking the remainder of the print to equalise the lighting. Same on the Rover in the background.

You'll see it a lot as well in shots of the Lunar Lander- detail of the underside that should be darker

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/AS11-40-5868HR.jpg

I could spend hours looking at the photos

https://www.hq.nasa.gov/alsj/a11/

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ironsoul ( ) posted Sun, 12 November 2017 at 2:19 PM · edited Sun, 12 November 2017 at 2:20 PM

The ground and other objects will reflect light back to his suit (think like snow on an overcast day) and the lack of atmosphere will mean there is no scattered light from the sky to fill in the shadow making it darker than expected compared to earth. If you look at his visor you can see how much light is being reflected back.



Khai-J-Bach ( ) posted Sun, 12 November 2017 at 4:02 PM

While there is no atmosphere to reflect, the MOON itself does.

Remember, moonlight?

So. There is one light source, the sun, behind, the astronaut. He blocks the light to the surface in front of him, but there is reflection from the rest of the moon surface (the light we see here on earth Btw!) to light his front up.

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Anthony Appleyard ( ) posted Sun, 12 November 2017 at 5:03 PM

Khai-J-Bach posted at 4:55PM Sun, 12 November 2017 - #4317843

While there is no atmosphere to reflect, the MOON itself does. Remember, moonlight? ...

The same happens on sunny days on earth :: light re-reflected, as when ray-tracing with 3 or 4 bounces is allowed in Poser. The sunlight would also have bounced back from the near side of the crater and lit up the part of the crater bottom which in the photo is dark. Did the photographer shine a bright light on the astronaut? :: see the bright spot in the reflection on his helmet faceplate.


SamTherapy ( ) posted Sun, 12 November 2017 at 5:58 PM

You'd think Kubrick would have taken more care, wouldn't you? ;)

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ironsoul ( ) posted Sun, 12 November 2017 at 9:20 PM · edited Sun, 12 November 2017 at 9:22 PM

Anthony Appleyard posted at 3:16AM Mon, 13 November 2017 - #4317845

Khai-J-Bach posted at 4:55PM Sun, 12 November 2017 - #4317843

While there is no atmosphere to reflect, the MOON itself does. Remember, moonlight? ...

The same happens on sunny days on earth :: light re-reflected, as when ray-tracing with 3 or 4 bounces is allowed in Poser. The sunlight would also have bounced back from the near side of the crater and lit up the part of the crater bottom which in the photo is dark. Did the photographer shine a bright light on the astronaut? :: see the bright spot in the reflection on his helmet faceplate.

That would indicate the photographer used a fill in flash or light. Sam, I think if Stanley took the photo there would be a giant embryo in the background



SamTherapy ( ) posted Mon, 13 November 2017 at 2:07 AM

ironsoul posted at 8:06AM Mon, 13 November 2017 - #4317852

Anthony Appleyard posted at 3:16AM Mon, 13 November 2017 - #4317845

Khai-J-Bach posted at 4:55PM Sun, 12 November 2017 - #4317843

While there is no atmosphere to reflect, the MOON itself does. Remember, moonlight? ...

The same happens on sunny days on earth :: light re-reflected, as when ray-tracing with 3 or 4 bounces is allowed in Poser. The sunlight would also have bounced back from the near side of the crater and lit up the part of the crater bottom which in the photo is dark. Did the photographer shine a bright light on the astronaut? :: see the bright spot in the reflection on his helmet faceplate.

That would indicate the photographer used a fill in flash or light. Sam, I think if Stanley took the photo there would be a giant embryo in the background

Heh. I was just poking fun at the conspiracy theorist folk who believe the whole thing was faked and all footage and stills were done by Kubrick, under contract to NASA.

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Khai-J-Bach ( ) posted Mon, 13 November 2017 at 2:16 AM

I give up.

I forgot my number 6 rule : never debate the moon landings. (rule 6a, never debate with "truthers" , jfk nuts and about climate change.) (rule 6b, never debate brexit with either side.)



SamTherapy ( ) posted Mon, 13 November 2017 at 5:10 AM

?

Who here said they were faked?

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prixat ( ) posted Mon, 13 November 2017 at 6:32 AM · edited Mon, 13 November 2017 at 6:42 AM

That 'bright spot' in the visor is the astronaut taking the photo. It gives you an idea of how much glare there actually is and it's that glare that provides all the 'fill' you could want.

The exposure is set for the ground, otherwise the glare from the moon would be blinding. ...although you capture ground and shadow detail, the cost of 'exposing for the moon surface' means you lose any stars that might have been in view.

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