According to the latest email, the September 19 Poser upgrade will "convert" Poser Pro 2014, Poser 11, and Poser Pro 11 to Poser 11.2, free of charge!! In other words, if you were perfectly comfortable with your current version, kiss it goodbye! You're moving to Poser 11.2, kiddo. SO THERE!

I've been using Poser Pro 2014 and for a variety of good reasons I wish to keep using it. I like the Firefly render engine, and haven't read anything so encouraging about Superfly that I thought I had to have it. I have absolutely no use for La Femme, Dusk, or Dawn, the admittedly splendid HiveWire Horse), Baby Luna or Gorilla for Dusk.

Does any one know if it will be in any way possible to maintain or re-install the older Poser version(s) after this (really hamfisted) upgrade?

It has to be hamfisted because the license server for Poser 2014 is going away. Since SM no longer service Poser and its licensing, the server was temporarily at Bondware aka Renderosity. Come 19th the server will be shuttered and there will be licensing errors abound. The only way around this is if you had a permanent offline license for Poser 2014.

You only need to get an update if you use 2014 Game Dev. If you did not upgrade to Game Dev. you're perfectly fine. That was also in the email. Plain Ol' 2014 is fine as is and you do NOT need to upgrade.

Thank you EClark1894, but can you tell me please how to tell if I have PP2014 or PP2014 Game Dev?

Check the "About Poser" in the Help Menu in your Poser setup.

I gotta' admit, I was left a bit confused by the wording. I know I'll need to upgrade (P2014) eventually, but at this point I would guess we're only a short couple of years from the next version of Poser, when it would probably be time to upgrade, considering the mileage I've gotten out of it (and V4).

ThunderStone posted at 7:32PM Wed, 18 September 2019 - #4362478

Check the "About Poser" in the Help Menu in your Poser setup.

Thanks a million. Much appreciated.

Oh what a rogue and peasant slave am I! I had absolutely nothing to worry about. I have plain old Poser Pro 2014, that is, the non-Game Dev variety. Nothing to download, nothing to worry about. I feel rather foolish but I'll get over it by Monday morning.

I have poser pro 2014 game developer. In theory I have a permanent license. I hope I can keep it? I like the Library and Firefly renderer suits for what I'm doing.

Couldn't Bondware just have removed the Kill switch? I'm eventually going to have to load another version of Poser anyway (It had better NOT require web check-in) when I upgrade to windows 10.

I'm with consumer573 on this, I had Poser 2014 pro GD upgrade but went back to using Poser pro 2014 after GD kept intermittently wanting to activate. Due to having a few priceless Netherworks - Shaderworks scripts that really dont play very well under Poser Pro 2011, I've a bit of longwinded workflow going from poser pro 12 to 14 to Pro11. Last weekend my copy of Pro 14 stopped working, I uninstalled it - reinstalled it several times and it wouldn't get past the loading screen before quiting. Just as a tip to anyone reinstalling pro 14, after installing the main program, install SR3 it seem to fix the problem and took me to the activation screen. I can confirm Pro 2014 still registers and activates as of 25/09/19.
After being stung a couple of times by programs that have stopped working after companies have gone bust and pulled the plug on their online servers. I'm not so keen on programes that need permanent online connection that keeps needing to touch base before working. I understand that Rendo/ Bondware need to protect their IP, but after spending a considerable chunk of change on poser over the years, there's got to be a better way. Sorry rant over 8-)

Why are people suggesting you can’t use Firefly in Poser 11? You can.

No micro-poly displacement in Superfly yet. That's the main reason people don't want to leave Firefly in older Poser versions.

But you can still use Firefly in Poser 11. And make use of the other new tech it comes with.

Here, this is Poser Pro 11's render settings dialog:

See the tabs? Pick your renderer. Done.

What do you want to bet someone still thinks Firefly is going bye-bye?

What about the Library and LIbrary search Poser 11 vs Poser2014 Game Developer? I heard 11 had problems and wasn't as good. Is that still the case (if it ever was)?

I'm not sure what you mean by that, can you specify 'problems' and 'wasn't as good'? I use my library search function daily and as long as I remember the right keyword (not always easy because braining is hard), it works fine?

There are many reasons why someone may not want to update and lose 2014GameDev.

There were certain subtle differences between 2014 and P11 Firefly due to the shoehorning required to make most parts of the material room usable with both Firefly and Superfly.

It does all you need it to do and you don't need Superfly.

PoserFusion is apparently being discontinued going forward. It maybe that's your pipeline.

They may only have a 32bit pc, P11.2 requires a 64bit pc, that's quite a biggie.

Even WardrobeWizard. I believe it's no longer in P11.2. I personally prefer it to the fitting room.

So it's not necessarily as clear cut to update/upgrade as you may think it is.

raven posted at 8:50AM Fri, 27 September 2019 - #4364329

There are many reasons why someone may not want to update and lose 2014GameDev.

There were certain subtle differences between 2014 and P11 Firefly due to the shoehorning required to make most parts of the material room usable with both Firefly and Superfly.

It does all you need it to do and you don't need Superfly.

PoserFusion is apparently being discontinued going forward. It maybe that's your pipeline.

They may only have a 32bit pc, P11.2 requires a 64bit pc, that's quite a biggie.

Even WardrobeWizard. I believe it's no longer in P11.2. I personally prefer it to the fitting room.

So it's not necessarily as clear cut to update/upgrade as you may think it is.

Here's the thing. Most, if not all of Game Devs special features are already included in Poser Pro 11.2 such as: Figure – Combine Figures… Figure – Find Unseen Polygons… Figure – Remove Unseen Polygons… Window – Add-Ons – Kinect Capture (Windows only) File – Import – FBX File – Export – FBX

Those features are even described in the Poser Reference Manual. Now, as I'm about destitute myself, I understand not being able to upgrade your computer to 64 bit, but as I've discovered recently, if you install and Poser runs, no problem, it won't run if it's 32 bit only so you can always uninstall.

As to the subtle differences between Game Dev's Firefly and Poser Pro 11's Firefly, can you name them?

I will be honest, the differences I mention are from posts that were at the SM forums, like splotches in the render as in this post:

https://forum.smithmicro.com/topic/877/idl-in-poser-11-a-step-back-from-poser-10/2

or this one for example:

https://forum.smithmicro.com/topic/9619/black-splotches-on-final-render

The 32 bit issue. As you have to update to carry on using Poser, this thread in the P11 technical forum shows that P11.2 will not even install on a 32 bit machine. https://www.renderosity.com/mod/forumpro/?thread_id=2938006 Therefore you will lose your ability to use Poser.

As for the features you mentioned that are in both versions, I agree, however if someone's workflow involves the GameDev features and then utilising PoserFusion then they will be out of luck.

I have a 64bit system so I'm OK. I'm lucky in that my GameDev was an upgrade from 2014, so I just reverted it back to 2014, and updated my PPro11.1 to PoserPro11.2 without problems.

So I was just listing reasons as to why somebody may not want to upgrade that's all.

I don't use PoserFusion myself, but I understand it is available for Poser 11

Poserfusion is no longer being updated for poser

structure posted at 2:46PM Fri, 27 September 2019 - #4364372

Poserfusion is no longer being updated for poser

Going forward or already started?

with the advent of poser 11.2 - support for poserfusion has ended

structure posted at 11:31PM Fri, 27 September 2019 - #4364447

with the advent of poser 11.2 - support for poserfusion has ended

Thats pretty bad news.

RobZhena posted at 4:54PM Sun, 10 November 2019 - #4364138

Why are people suggesting you can’t use Firefly in Poser 11? You can.

Firefly is present and functional but the PREVIEW renderer is very, very messed up. Firefly is also not rendering lighting and materials the same as it did in Poser 10 versions. It's close but I had to personally tweak all my materials and lights all over again to get them back to some semblance of similarity. You cannot open PP10/Game Dev setups in PP11 and get identical results. Sorry to blow that one out of the water, but you just can't.

consumer573 posted at 4:57PM Sun, 10 November 2019 - #4363923

I have poser pro 2014 game developer. In theory I have a permanent license. I hope I can keep it? I like the Library and Firefly renderer suits for what I'm doing.

Couldn't Bondware just have removed the Kill switch? I'm eventually going to have to load another version of Poser anyway (It had better NOT require web check-in) when I upgrade to windows 10.

Poser Game Dev is dead. Mine died on Nov.4 when it couldn't activate. So rest your license and ownership agreement is apparently moot in the eyes of both Smith and Bondware. I think you can revert back to PP2014 base, but you're going to lose your FBX and gamedev features.

I need to reinstall poserpro2014. All I have to do is put the installation disc in and it will install and then do I get service paks you mentioned. I have done before with poser6 and poser7 but now there seems to be so much uncertainty about this process.

Poser Pro 2014 is not affected by the update, only Poser 2014 Game Dev and Poser 11 are. I have 2014 and 11 existing and sharing runtimes on my computer side by side completely peacefully.

I just received a communication from store staff and thney said I cant reinstall poserpro2014 and I have to buy poserpro11 upgrade. It seems that all poser versions prior to poser11 have been deleted in the deal.i

Banaman posted at 7:00PM Wed, 04 December 2019 - #4372260

I just received a communication from store staff and thney said I cant reinstall poserpro2014 and I have to buy poserpro11 upgrade. It seems that all poser versions prior to poser11 have been deleted in the deal.i

Not true If you are in Possession of a Licence for PP2014 you can install it whenever you wish you can still access the downloads of the installers in the SM Download manage if you need assistance for the Download manager you can send me a PM

All Updates and service packs are still aviable through the Download manager so you should not have any issues getting these , just make sure once downloaded to keep a backup of them

Banaman @4372260, Rhia474 @4372245 is correct, you can still install poser pro 2014 and if you need the exe and/or SR5 let me know.

I dont know what a pm is but I need help. My widows7 system has gone haywire and I am going to reinstall windows7 and then reinstall poserpro2014 .

a pm is a sitemail.

Also, if you have Poser 11, the update is free. If you don't, but you had Poser 2014 AND you want the new version, like with any other software, you have to pay for the upgrade you did not have before (and the price is a lot cheaper than it used to be, actually). If you had PP2014 Game Dev version, the update is, again, free. No one is forcing anyone to update an older version if they don't want to--but it is a good practice, as gate has said above, to keep backup copies on a separate drive.

I will buy the uprade after I reinstall everything I need to.

I reinstalled Windows7 and added 8gigs of Ram and put in a Sound. Blaster ZxR and then reinstalled PoserPro 2014 and everything is rocking and rolling. Thanks to everyone who knew what to do.

You even get to keep and use Poser 2014 if you like.

My Poser pro 2014 is still running. It is a bit funny because it refused to when I had Poser 11 (telling me I had a newer license - which is correct). Now, I didn't try with Poser 11.2 running maybe it would complain again. Anyway I don't use it anymore. It is on another computer I just keep the Runtimes as a backup just in case. And I also have Poser 6 on an even older computer, that one I use to check P3DO backward compatibility :)

I've had up to 3 different versions of Poser running on the same computer at the same time before. No version of Poser has ever interfered with another on my machines. I've also had Poser 2014 and P 11 running at the same time on this machine. Haven't tried it yet with 11.2.

poserPro 2014 won't run on my iMac now - the problem is Flash; tried the latest version of Flash but no joy.

I have P6, P7 and 2012 on an XP and they all run fine together .I am curious to see what Poser Pro12 will be. What I would like to see is compatibility with Daz content and super compatibity with Blender.

I cranked up my 2014 today along with PP11.2. Both running fine on my computer at the same time.

A_Sunbeam posted at 5:40PM Tue, 24 December 2019 - #4374309

poserPro 2014 won't run on my iMac now - the problem is Flash; tried the latest version of Flash but no joy.

Search for Poser 2014 MAC requirements - it uses both Flash and Adobe Air and you can download old versions of flash if that's what you need. Old Adobe Air also. Just google

movida posted at 4:19AM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374368

A_Sunbeam posted at 5:40PM Tue, 24 December 2019 - #4374309

poserPro 2014 won't run on my iMac now - the problem is Flash; tried the latest version of Flash but no joy.

Search for Poser 2014 MAC requirements - it uses both Flash and Adobe Air and you can download old versions of flash if that's what you need. Old Adobe Air also. Just google

Will try that, thanks.

A_Sunbeam posted at 6:23AM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374382

movida posted at 4:19AM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374368

A_Sunbeam posted at 5:40PM Tue, 24 December 2019 - #4374309

poserPro 2014 won't run on my iMac now - the problem is Flash; tried the latest version of Flash but no joy.

Search for Poser 2014 MAC requirements - it uses both Flash and Adobe Air and you can download old versions of flash if that's what you need. Old Adobe Air also. Just google

Will try that, thanks.

If you've blocked it from accessing the internet like I did, try letting it through - after I updated my flash, adobe air it still wouldn't bring up my library but after I let it through to the internet it did ... and it's plain old 2014 shouldn't be accessing the internet anyway.

movida posted at 7:52AM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374414

A_Sunbeam posted at 6:23AM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374382

movida posted at 4:19AM Wed, 25 December 2019 - #4374368

A_Sunbeam posted at 5:40PM Tue, 24 December 2019 - #4374309

poserPro 2014 won't run on my iMac now - the problem is Flash; tried the latest version of Flash but no joy.

Search for Poser 2014 MAC requirements - it uses both Flash and Adobe Air and you can download old versions of flash if that's what you need. Old Adobe Air also. Just google

Will try that, thanks.

If you've blocked it from accessing the internet like I did, try letting it through - after I updated my flash, adobe air it still wouldn't bring up my library but after I let it through to the internet it did ... and it's plain old 2014 shouldn't be accessing the internet anyway.

Well, it might be. Mine does to check for updates. I never shut it off.

Have tried several archived versions of the Flash Player; the most recent just crashes, older ones are blocked; have tried unblocking, but no joy yet. Will persevere. Any suggestions? When did PoserPro 2014 come out?

PP2014 came out around May 2013. I remember this because we were updating the Library building and put together list of things to buy for the new building and we got PP2014 instead of PP2012 because it had just come out and Smith Micro sent the quote for 14 Licenses in June of 2013. So Poser 10/2014 is now around 6.5 years old.