Hey guys,

I was looking at buying an AMD threadripper 3960 CPU and an RTX 3090 graphics card to use with Poser. Does anyone have any technical reasons why I should not? My first AMD processor but I assume that they operate exactly like Intel, and can process all the same code? Does the 3090 work fully with Optix Superfly rendering?

Thanks in advance.

The RTX 30xx series won't work with Poser11, but will with Poser12. Not sure if it can really use all that threadripper has to offer though - I use a Ryzen 9 so I can't say much about that.

And yes, full Optix and all with the 3090.

Afrodite-Ohki posted at 2:51PM Fri, 09 July 2021 - #4422843

The RTX 30xx series won't work with Poser11, but will with Poser12. Not sure if it can really use all that threadripper has to offer though - I use a Ryzen 9 so I can't say much about that.

And yes, full Optix and all with the 3090.

Great, thanks very much Afrodite! Yes, I have 12. Threadripper is basically 2 Rizens. It works fine with that then?

I think so yeah, what I mean is that I don't think Poser can use the Threadripper to its full potential. But I'm not sure.

The AMD is a 24-core CPU, so you should also be able to get very fast Firefly / Sketch rendering from the CPUs alone. But if you only want to render photoreal on the GPU, then a 24-core CPU may be overkill.

Just a Clarification: Superfly is not only for photoreal. You wouldn't call Pixar movies "photoreal", but the differences between Firefly and Superfly are similar to comparing the image quality between Toy Story 1 and Tangled.

That said, even with Superfly you'll need to render on CPU if you're trying to render a scene that's heavier than what your GPU can take. You'd be hard-pressed to find one like that with a 3090, but with my 3070 I've already found a scenery prop set that it can't handle.

Afrodite-Ohki posted at 5:27PM Sat, 10 July 2021 - #4422898

Just a Clarification: Superfly is not only for photoreal. You wouldn't call Pixar movies "photoreal", but the differences between Firefly and Superfly are similar to comparing the image quality between Toy Story 1 and Tangled.

That said, even with Superfly you'll need to render on CPU if you're trying to render a scene that's heavier than what your GPU can take. You'd be hard-pressed to find one like that with a 3090, but with my 3070 I've already found a scenery prop set that it can't handle.

Probably what Pixar's Renderman can do might be different than Poser's implementation of Cycles.

primorge posted at 6:15PM Sat, 10 July 2021 - #4422929

Probably what Pixar's Renderman can do might be different than Poser's implementation of Cycles.

Was just a metaphor :) not a direct comparison

Poser 12 still seems to have the 32 thread limit for rendering, so assuming the cpu has hyper threading (or the amd equivalent) and as someone has stated 24 cores, ie total of 48 threads, a third of the threads would not be used. I don't know much about amd cpu's but if they make a 16 core, 32 thread with higher clock speeds you might get better performance in poser cpu rendering

HartyBart posted at 2:19PM Sun, 11 July 2021 - #4422889

But if you only want to render photoreal on the GPU, then a 24-core CPU may be overkill.

Thankyou - yes, I was coming to that conclusion

primorge posted at 2:20PM Sun, 11 July 2021 - #4422929

Afrodite-Ohki posted at 5:27PM Sat, 10 July 2021 - #4422898

Just a Clarification: Superfly is not only for photoreal. You wouldn't call Pixar movies "photoreal",

Yes thank you - point well taken, although photreal IS my objective.

That said, even with Superfly you'll need to render on CPU if you're trying to render a scene that's heavier than what your GPU can take. You'd be hard-pressed to find one like that with a 3090, but with my 3070 I've already found a scenery prop set that it can't handle.

That's very much what I was hoping.

Nails60 posted at 2:22PM Sun, 11 July 2021 - #4422954

Poser 12 still seems to have the 32 thread limit for rendering, so assuming the cpu has hyper threading (or the amd equivalent) and as someone has stated 24 cores, ie total of 48 threads, a third of the threads would not be used. I don't know much about amd cpu's but if they make a 16 core, 32 thread with higher clock speeds you might get better performance in poser cpu rendering

Ahh that's an interesting point. TBH, I can spend £500 on a computer and CPU to double my performance, or £2k to improve it by 5x with the 3090, so that's going to be my direction I go in the short term. The multithreading is just one more thing that makes me go hmmmm... Thanks for that invaluable info!

Very interesting, on CPU thread limits for Poser. I took a look at Daz Studio, for comparison. Apparently Iray running on CPUs-only can use 32 cores, 64 threads. But I suspect that Poser's Firefly (even at 16 CPU cores, 32 render threads) would be about as fast to bring in a production-usable non-grainy no-speckles render. Perhaps faster.

HartyBart posted at 7:22AM Wed, 14 July 2021 - #4423171

Very interesting, on CPU thread limits for Poser. I took a look at Daz Studio, for comparison. Apparently Iray running on CPUs-only can use 32 cores, 64 threads. But I suspect that Poser's Firefly (even at 16 CPU cores, 32 render threads) would be about as fast to bring in a production-usable non-grainy no-speckles render. Perhaps faster.

And dramatically faster on Superfly. Especially with Denoiser turned on.

Am I the only person that has more than 1 application open at a time?

24 cores mean that you can have many poorly coded Adobe apps open while Poser is rendering.

ssgbryan posted at 2:22PM Wed, 14 July 2021 - #4423202

Am I the only person that has more than 1 application open at a time?

24 cores mean that you can have many poorly coded Adobe apps open while Poser is rendering.

Lol - I have many apps open, but when I'm rendering, not so much.

ssgbryan posted at 7:05PM Wed, 14 July 2021 - #4423202

Am I the only person that has more than 1 application open at a time?

24 cores mean that you can have many poorly coded Adobe apps open while Poser is rendering.

Poser 11, Poser 12 and Blender open all at once are a common occurrence here. And sometimes Photoshop or Substance Painter on the side too.

Poser, Blender, photoshop, and mudbox open right now. I'm on a laptop, got me how many cores it has. Seems to be running all right. But I'm just doing some lo res sculpting and modeling.

Not sure whether this is relevant to the current Threadripper, but nonetheless thought I’d toss my observations into the Marketplace of Ideas. In 2019, I bought the Threadripper 1950x processor on a PRIME X-399a motherboard with 128 GB of RAM. In Poser, I render exclusively in Firefly and wanted the 16-core configuration. My configuration has a Nvidia Titan V graphic card, which I bought for other applications. I use Nvidia’s Studio Drivers.

I render images to my iPad Pro’s resolution (2732x2048x264). Most of my images are full scenes with up to 6-7 V4/M4 clothed characters, architectural elements, and background stuff. Rendering is very fast—from seconds for a single character to a few minutes for the full scene I described. However, if the scene has extensive raytracing on leaves, trees, hair, the rendering time increased as we’d all expect.

In P11 and to a slightly lesser extent in P12, Firefly periodically crashed my system. In some instances, I’d get a message that Windows has to close Poser. Other times, Firefly would simply trigger a BSOD. Recently I discovered AMD’s Ryzen Master program, which as everyone likely knows, has a ‘creator’ mode. It appears the 1950X Threadripper default mode sets the core’s Mhz at 3700. Creator mode drops it down to 3400, which vastly stabilized my system. Ninety-seven of my Firefly renders in creative mode complete without crashing Poser. And I’ve noticed no impact to my other programs.

So, while the Threadripper’s speed increases render time, overclocking may not be the answer.

I also use the Threadipper 1950X along with a GTX 1080i which I have been using for about four years. I render at 3508 X 2480 and I have been using Superfly for the last three or so years. Poser 11 did not like the 1080i very much but it is fine with Poser 12 and that is what I use most using the Ultra Adaptive load preset. The only time I have a crash is when I send a complex scene to the GPU when the render will either fail or Poser will lock up. In these cases I switch to using the CPU which utilises all 32 threads and I have had no problems. Although I had the system professionally built with a free option to have it overclocked I decided to keep it standard.

one thing you might think about is getting a second video card just to run your monitor. When you have a dedicated video card for the monitor you can watch videos, play games or surf the internet without the render slowing down or the render bugging up your screen.