SamTherapy posted at 5:40 PM Sun, 23 January 2022 - #4433665

The reason I ask for native morphs is, I have about thirty billion different versions of Antonia and I never know which one is the right one to use.  

When I get around to rebuilding my Antonia site, I'm planning to go through a bunch of third party content and check what works with Antonia 1.2/WM. In some cases, I might update them if they were made for earlier versions. So hopefully I'll then eventually have something like an "authorative" Antonia collection.

Speaking of the Antonia-WM package: the included Toni morph features a beak reduction with slightly fuller lips and leaves the rest of the face unchanged.

Thanks, mate.  I'll have to take another look at the model.

Thanks, mate.  I'll have to take another look at the model.

SamTherapy posted at 8:45 AM Mon, 24 January 2022 - #4433700

Thanks, mate.  I'll have to take another look at the model.

Sam!!!! You're alive!!!!

By the way, people, I got the morphs suggested by Cage from Share CG, and they seem to do a very good job.  The nose morphs aren't as comprehensive as I hoped - and I'm useless at making morphs myself - but they are definitely a big help.

I also have the Zoe Heriot character that (I think) Cage made, and combining all the morphs from that makes a very usable model.

Thanks one and all for the guidance.

I may or may not have achieved a pair of pants for Antonia that does not completely suck.

Pants are super-hard, so by my advanced logic they must be impervious to the alien garment death ray. :-P

I may or may not have achieved a pair of pants for Antonia that does not completely suck.

Pants are super-hard, so by my advanced logic they must be impervious to the alien garment death ray. :-P

odf posted at 12:29 AM Sun, 30 January 2022 - #4434042

I may or may not have achieved a pair of pants for Antonia that does not completely suck.

Pants are super-hard, so by my advanced logic they must be impervious to the alien garment death ray. :-P

Those look fantastic! Great job!

Clothes, how do they work?

I'm reposting my latest gallery submission here because I think it illustrates nicely where I am in terms of clothes. I feel comfortable enough now with MD to make a basic, simplified wardrobe for Antonia, although of course I could *live* in that software for several years and would still have plenty to learn.

But I'm at a loss when it comes to doing anything useful with those meshes in Poser. For this image, I ran animations in MD to get the clothes into the poses I needed, then exported the posed meshes in order to load them into Poser. I think that's way faster than anything I could have done in the fitting room or the cloth room, but of course no one will be able to reproduce that workflow unless they have MD, as well.

I guess I could just share the raw meshes with some sensible group/material names and call them dynamic clothes? Is that what dynamic clothes are in Poser these days? Or is there a way to export settings without having to set up a specific simulation?

You are getting on well! 

Yes what you do is more or less the route available for garments for application in Poser or DS: write the result for 'pick up pose', thin, welded, to .fbx, import into Poser, and go Cloth Room or Fitting /Setup Room.  You can use also .obj but more potential problems there with textures. 

If one owns MD one can export 'thick', and therefore 'unwelded' models of the garment shaped for the posed figure and just load it as a prop to render. This is typically the route the MDBridge for Poser was made for. The simulation work is done in MD and not in Poser. The MD Bridge uses .obj format because Poserpython at the time of developing offered no means to import. FBX.

With the free Jinny application CLO has launched now one can do tailoring/customisation and fitting without the need for having MD, and save in CLO format. The remaining hurdle is export to .FBX. For that you need MD or CLO3D, or use the service from CLO expected end Q2 this year. They need to get their pay somehow so they will most likely charge a fee. Same service can be rendered though by anyone who owns or runs a tryout of  one of these programs. This can be a scripted operation,  no human intervention needed. 

Thanks for the comments, @FVerbaas! Exporting as FBX hadn't occurred to me, sounds like something to try. Also exporting as thick, unwelded for something I want to use in Poser as a static prop.

Now that I've started dabbling with sleeves, I can understand your excitement about Poser characters that load in an A pose.

Where did you get that pose?  It looks really good there, odf.  Love the clothing sims on MD.

jartz posted at 1:14 AM Thu, 3 February 2022 - #4434308

Where did you get that pose?  It looks really good there, odf.  Love the clothing sims on MD.

I'm not sure which pose you're referring two, so I'll answer for both.

The standing/runway pose I made from scratch. Sometimes I make my own poses, although generally I am too lazy.

Okay.  I was referring to the sanding runway pose.  Nice to know.

odf posted at 5:07 PM Thu, 3 February 2022 - #4434348

... are there any posing systems for Poser figures that use ERC in order to move several body parts with a single dial? 

It may take a little exercise at first. 

FVerbaas posted at 1:50 AM Fri, 4 February 2022 - #4434364

odf posted at 5:07 PM Thu, 3 February 2022 - #4434348

... are there any posing systems for Poser figures that use ERC in order to move several body parts with a single dial? 

You mean master dials, something like arms up-down in the body actor of default LaFemme? Click the small triangle in the top-right of the parameters window and select 'create new master parameter'. You then enter the definition  and 'learn' process.

It may take a little exercise at first. 

An important feature of that DS system I saw was that the individual poses kept the figure in balance. I think that's something people tend to struggle with the most when posing characters. For example, if I bend over at the hip, I have to simultaneously shift my hip backward or I'll fall over. As meat space entities we usually do that instinctively without thinking about it, but a Poser figure wouldn't.

odf posted at 2:39 AM Fri, 4 February 2022 - #4434365

FVerbaas posted at 1:50 AM Fri, 4 February 2022 - #4434364

odf posted at 5:07 PM Thu, 3 February 2022 - #4434348

... are there any posing systems for Poser figures that use ERC in order to move several body parts with a single dial? 

You mean master dials, something like arms up-down in the body actor of default LaFemme? Click the small triangle in the top-right of the parameters window and select 'create new master parameter'. You then enter the definition  and 'learn' process.

It may take a little exercise at first. 

Yes, that kind of thing, but more elaborate. I should have been more specific. What I'm thinking of is a collection of poses each of which can be dialed to different strengths and which are designed in a way that makes them composable. For example, one could have a dial for left contrapost and one for right contrapost, then a dial for turning the torso, and various dials for arm poses, etc.

An important feature of that DS system I saw was that the individual poses kept the figure in balance. I think that's something people tend to struggle with the most when posing characters. For example, if I bend over at the hip, I have to simultaneously shift my hip backward or I'll fall over. As meat space entities we usually do that instinctively without thinking about it, but a Poser figure wouldn't.

Do you mean something like this?

Of course a 'bend torso forward' dial can (should?) have a 'hip back' component to maintain equilibrium around body X axis. Same for 'hip side' to keep Z-axis equilibrium. For arms off-from-horizontal and off-from-sideways same, but to lighter extent, could be done. In the end it all adds up in a linear way. 

There is some margin because out feet have a support area larger than zero. In view of that the above may be sufficient. Weight of things held in hands plays a key role but  cannot be automatically accounted for. Weight is not a parameter in the Poserverse. To cater for that a general 'hip side-to-side' and 'hip forward-aft' could be useful. 

Poser figures have actors for 'centre of gravity' and 'centre of area'. I have never used them, not sure how good they are.        

(sorry 'linear way' is by approximation)

What is the latest version of Antonia that is available to download?  I have the original versions:  ODF's Antonia 1.2.0 & Antonia WM mod + WM ds4.  Is there a newer version to download?  

I was re-looking some of my old scenes with Antonia and wouldn't mind trying a newer version of Antonia.   I was like working with non-standard characters.  They offer a little something extra and pizazz to scene.

Thank you,

As far as I know there are no versions more recent than the ones you mentioned you have already. There is a V3 uv mapped version also. Quite useful if you want some skin variations. 

Well: I need to do some "house cleaning" I suppose, because  besides the standard version, I have Afrodite Ohki's Advanced Morphs version (= "Antonia CleanMorphs"), 3 "Antonia1.2" + one "Antonia Polygon WM"

Here is a preview of AO's version, included its own Malice Hair: but it doesn't have any morphs for the expressions. I have probably missed something

Ooh, fancy! I was not aware of this.

Y-Phil posted at 5:01 PM Fri, 11 February 2022 - #4434682

Well: I need to do some "house cleaning" I suppose, because  besides the standard version, I have Afrodite Ohki's Advanced Morphs version (= "Antonia CleanMorphs"), 3 "Antonia1.2" + one "Antonia Polygon WM"

Thanks to all for the info. 

Look forward to ODF's latest version.

My attempt at working with AntoniaWM, using DT's morphs and MD - using Poser 12 trial (I had to bring my P11 scene in it).

My attempt at working with AntoniaWM, using DT's morphs and MD - using Poser 12 trial (I had to bring my P11 scene in it).

Wow!! I love it.

I really need to check out those morph sets. One day, when I'm not busy tripping over my own shoe laces...

jartz posted at 10:53 PM Sat, 12 February 2022 - #4434716

My attempt at working with AntoniaWM, using DT's morphs and MD - using Poser 12 trial (I had to bring my P11 scene in it).

Wow!! I love it.

I really need to check out those morph sets. One day, when I'm not busy tripping over my own shoe laces...

chorse posted at 10:03 PM Sat, 12 February 2022 - #4434715

Y-Phil posted at 5:01 PM Fri, 11 February 2022 - #4434682

Well: I need to do some "house cleaning" I suppose, because  besides the standard version, I have Afrodite Ohki's Advanced Morphs version (= "Antonia CleanMorphs"), 3 "Antonia1.2" + one "Antonia Polygon WM"

Wow!  I actually had these versions but did not recognize them because of their names:  "Antonia_Polygon_Standard_Edition_File_1" & " File_2"; and WM's: "Antonia_Polygon~WM_File_1" & "File_2".   The objects files are dated: ODF Antonia 1.2.0 .obj 2/27/2011; Antonia_Polygon_Standard_Edition: 11/9/2011; and Antonia_Polygon~WM: 11/11/2011.  These appear to be the latest versions. 

Thanks to all for the info. 

Look forward to ODF's latest version.

My attempt at working with AntoniaWM, using DT's morphs and MD - using Poser 12 trial (I had to bring my P11 scene in it).

jartz posted at 10:53 PM Sat, 12 February 2022 - #4434716

My attempt at working with AntoniaWM, using DT's morphs and MD - using Poser 12 trial (I had to bring my P11 scene in it).

BTW: Which MD  version are you using? If you use MD 9: I must have an Antonia setup for the MDBridge for Poser somewhere, P11 and P2 version. Let me know if you want it. 

Pardon me, but I thought this MD snapshot of Antonia chilling in mid-air in a pair of leggings was just too funny.

FVerbaas posted at 1:51 PM Sun, 13 February 2022 - #4434733

jartz posted at 10:53 PM Sat, 12 February 2022 - #4434716

My attempt at working with AntoniaWM, using DT's morphs and MD - using Poser 12 trial (I had to bring my P11 scene in it).

Well done!

BTW: Which MD  version are you using? If you use MD 9: I must have an Antonia setup for the MDBridge for Poser somewhere, P11 and P2 version. Let me know if you want it. 

I'm still pondering on whether to get P12; I'm really digging the Adaptive Sampling and the fact that I can bring up and render older versions of my Poser files, but I digress. 

Anyway, back to the lovely Antonia.

Pardon me, but I thought this MD snapshot of Antonia chilling in mid-air in a pair of leggings was just too funny.

MDBridge works for all Poser versions but relative to MD9 for MD10 the  MD devs took out key functionality from the Python API. Therefore on MD10 there is no functional MD side bridgehead and operation can be manual via MD menu only. This is not too difficult once you know the drill and the settings/ file locations to use. 

I will collect the stuff and write instructions. 

Wow, she's coming along nicely.  Looks amazing in fact!

LOL! I sorted out my Antonia variants and I ran into a lo-res V3 mapped variant:

LOL! I sorted out my Antonia variants and I ran into a lo-res V3 mapped variant:

Yep! Just like regular Antonia, the V3 remap comes in both low and standard resolution.

Here's a little issue that I've struggled with for quite some time while trying to make clothes for Antonia in MD. Turns out her back is just freakishly straight, which some physical therapists might be delighted with (depending on their particular school of thought, I guess), but makes fitting anything properly to her back and chest practically impossible. So I'm now in the process of coming up with a new A-pose for her to use with MD that has a bit of a slump. Just bending the chest forward and the abdomen back, and pulling the collars down and forward. Original A-pose with zeroed torso on the left, my new tryout version on the right.

Yep! Just like regular Antonia, the V3 remap comes in both low and standard resolution.

 Now that we have subdivision, morph copy, joint setup copy, the lo-res versions may become interesting again. 

 Now that we have subdivision, morph copy, joint setup copy, the lo-res versions may become interesting again. 

.... Original A-pose with zeroed torso on the left, my new tryout version on the right.

odf posted at 6:45 PM Mon, 14 February 2022 - #4434784

.... Original A-pose with zeroed torso on the left, my new tryout version on the right.

If you do not mind me saying: Maybe pull the neck beck a little. She now looks a little head-down.

Something like AntoniaA:

This is my grafty 2015-2021 model, but an 'official' version would sure be welcome.

I have been experimenting with A-poses for a while. I found that the grouping algorithms in Poser are not made for A-pose (and implementation lacks flexibility on T-pose), so fro PE and LF I made a grouping script for garment models. It uses a slicing method, so only makes the cuts one needs.  Sounds like time to add an Antonia cutting model. 

I don't understand what either one of the words grouping, slicing or cutting mean in this context.