@odf  Thank you for all the Antonia goodies! 

@FVerbaas - Thanks so much for the Antonia Jinny set - I'm having tons of fun dressing her :)  Is there an easy way to import a figure's .obj to use as an avatar in Jinny?

Kalypso posted at 5:10 AM Sat, 18 February 2023 - #4456192

 Is there an easy way to import a figure's .obj to use as an avatar in Jinny?

Avatar from obj has no rig and cannot be poser or morphed.

For Poser meshes select 'feet' as unit and scale 860%.

Figure must be humanoid standing in A or T pose on the ground and is best about human adult sized. See the thread in MD forum about limits to Jinny fittingssuit generation.

odf posted at 2:16 AM Sat, 18 February 2023 - #4456187

Here's the promo image. Now I'll just need to render some thumbnails and assemble the ZIP file. In the meantime, are there any requests for the next item in Antonia's wardrobe?

I do not want to tell you each time from now but you know how you can ask me for the EasySym Script for your free clothing items. :-)

Kalypso posted at 5:10 AM Sat, 18 February 2023 - #4456192

 Is there an easy way to import a figure's .obj to use as an avatar in Jinny?

Yes, just select open avatar and select the .obj.

Avatar from obj has no rig and cannot be poser or morphed.

For Poser meshes select 'feet' as unit and scale 860%.

Figure must be humanoid standing in A or T pose on the ground and is best about human adult sized. See the thread in MD forum about limits to Jinny fittingssuit generation.

Thanks so much!  I've got some reading up to do and tutorials to watch but I've always wished for something like Jinny for clothing.

Okidoki, the babydoll and panties are now up on FreeStuff. Apparently, I can't select Antonia as the base figure anymore. Oh well!

There's still time for requests. In the meantime, Toni is digging through my pile of half-finished MD clothes looking for inspiration.

Since I have a bit of trouble deciding, let's do a quick poll. What would you like to see added to Antonia's wardrobe next?

[ ] A leotard with fancy material zones

[ ] Socks of various lengths

[ ] A pair of Capri pants and a fitted t-shirt

Socks are fun

Socks are fun

Socks

Socks, huh?

wow

Nice 

Socks will have to be conforming, I think, since Poser seems even worse at simulating them nicely than MD. I have coerced MD into producing a mesh that has good UVs for socks/stockings and behaves nicely in the fitting room, with minimal poke-through and wrinkling in the automatically transferred JCMs. So, there'll still be some manual tweaking needed, but nothing too extreme. Which is good, because I'm a very lazy person.

Socks will have to be conforming, I think, since Poser seems even worse at simulating them nicely than MD. I have coerced MD into producing a mesh that has good UVs for socks/stockings and behaves nicely in the fitting room, with minimal poke-through and wrinkling in the automatically transferred JCMs. So, there'll still be some manual tweaking needed, but nothing too extreme. Which is good, because I'm a very lazy person.

odf posted at 12:56 AM Thu, 23 February 2023 - #4456654

Socks will have to be conforming, I think, since Poser seems even worse at simulating them nicely than MD. I have coerced MD into producing a mesh that has good UVs for socks/stockings and behaves nicely in the fitting room, with minimal poke-through and wrinkling in the automatically transferred JCMs. So, there'll still be some manual tweaking needed, but nothing too extreme. Which is good, because I'm a very lazy person.

If you still want to do it dynamic in Poser try to fit the top border of the socks as constrained group and use 1 as collision offset and collision depth. You also should not collide against the ground.

Real life socks hold by virtue of friction between fabric and skin. This means the sock fabric needs to be pressed to the skin and the coefficient of friction must be large enough. In the cloth room it is possible to set the coefficient of friction per dynamic group but you cannot set a pre-tension. At the start of the simulation the stress in the fabric is zero, so the pressure is zero and hence the friction is zero. Legs are tapering to smaller girth in the direction where gravity goes, so when the fabric 'sags' the chances of building up pressure becomes even less.

A typical workaround is to model the socks around a thinner leg and in the sim first grow the leg to full thickness while gravity is zero. This would generate pressure and hence friction to hold the socks in place during the rest of the sim. 

Nicely explained, FVerbaas!

Being able to specify an initial tension for a dynamic group would be a very welcome addition to the cloth room, but I'm not holding my breath.

Beautiful clothes!

I redid my Arya morph and skin structure completely. Somehow i wasnt satisfied with the result. I want her to be the best she can be at the moment. I added new brow meshes too. All made out of spheres. I completely remade my skin brushes to better reflect real pores.

That's looking great, Liquid_Ice. Pushing a little bit further with each new project is how we develop solid skills. I wish I had the time and patience to properly learn digital sculpting. But I'm sure one day it will happen.

That's looking great, Liquid_Ice. Pushing a little bit further with each new project is how we develop solid skills. I wish I had the time and patience to properly learn digital sculpting. But I'm sure one day it will happen.

Being able to specify an initial tension for a dynamic group would be a very welcome addition to the cloth room, but I'm not holding my breath.

Here's a snapshot of my initial experiments in fixing up the knee JCMs after creating conforming thigh-highs in the fitting room. Right knee fixed, left knee not, in case that was unclear. :-)

Question: does anyone know an easy way to mirror a conforming figure, so I could make, say, the right sock as an  individual figure and then mirror it to get the left sock? Asking for a friend (named Antonia).

Hmm, supposedly Poser 13 will be better at copying morphs and weights between figures. Maybe I should put the socks on the back burner then until it's out and make more dynamic clothes in the meantime.

Maybe add some bulge?

Maybe add some bulge?

Since I'm pushing back the sock project a tiny bit, here's my first experiment with fancy material zones on an MD-based item of dynamic clothing.

A bit further along with the fancy material zones for the bodysuit. Maybe almost time to slap on a few materials and call it a day. Might add the little choker to the mix while I'm at it.

I gots a collection of material sets and a possible promo image for the bodysuit. I've also gained a bit more experience with simulating skin-tight clothing, so I might have another go at making the socks dynamic after this is finalized.

So, that trick FVerbaas described for simulating the socks to keep them from falling off the thighs seems to have worked very nicely. I still have the problem that they tend to fly off the feet (not shown). Not sure about the best way to fix that. Conforming socks work nicely up to mid-shin lengths, so a possible solution could be to simulate the longer socks on top of conforming shorter ones standing in for the feet.

By 'fly off the feet' you mean the toes come through? Toes are a maze for collisions because the diameter of the toes is so small. If you take a cross section of the toes and draw a line at 'collision depth' below the surface you get an idea of the complexity. After a simulation step a vertex can easily end up in a location where the shortest way 'out' is on the opposite side of where the vertex came from. This could be reduced by smaller time steps but the consequences for simulation speed are severe. On 'old' Antonia I used the toecap there.

Indeed conforming up to mid-shin and dynamic above would be a good solution. Socks are elastic and tensioned so they generally follow the skin without wrinkling.

I am working on some free Antonia stuff. Here is a small preview

By 'fly off the feet' you mean the toes come through? Toes are a maze for collisions because the diameter of the toes is so small. If you take a cross section of the toes and draw a line at 'collision depth' below the surface you get an idea of the complexity. After a simulation step a vertex can easily end up in a location where the shortest way 'out' is on the opposite side of where the vertex came from. This could be reduced by smaller time steps but the consequences for simulation speed are severe. On 'old' Antonia I used the toecap there.

Indeed conforming up to mid-shin and dynamic above would be a good solution. Socks are elastic and tensioned so they generally follow the skin without wrinkling.

I am working on some free Antonia stuff. Here is a small preview

Exciting! She can always use more unique looks.

FVerbaas posted at 4:55 AM Sun, 5 March 2023 - #4457689

By 'fly off the feet' you mean the toes come through? Toes are a maze for collisions because the diameter of the toes is so small. If you take a cross section of the toes and draw a line at 'collision depth' below the surface you get an idea of the complexity. After a simulation step a vertex can easily end up in a location where the shortest way 'out' is on the opposite side of where the vertex came from. This could be reduced by smaller time steps but the consequences for simulation speed are severe. On 'old' Antonia I used the toecap there.

Indeed conforming up to mid-shin and dynamic above would be a good solution. Socks are elastic and tensioned so they generally follow the skin without wrinkling.

I'm thinking about bringing the toe caps back as a conformer.

odf posted at 4:17 PM Sun, 5 March 2023 - #4457767

FVerbaas posted at 4:55 AM Sun, 5 March 2023 - #4457689

By 'fly off the feet' you mean the toes come through? Toes are a maze for collisions because the diameter of the toes is so small. If you take a cross section of the toes and draw a line at 'collision depth' below the surface you get an idea of the complexity. After a simulation step a vertex can easily end up in a location where the shortest way 'out' is on the opposite side of where the vertex came from. This could be reduced by smaller time steps but the consequences for simulation speed are severe. On 'old' Antonia I used the toecap there.

Indeed conforming up to mid-shin and dynamic above would be a good solution. Socks are elastic and tensioned so they generally follow the skin without wrinkling.

I'm thinking about bringing the toe caps back as a conformer.

Great option. I am also thinking to add extra conforming eyelashes and waterline.

The bodysuit is now done and up on FreeStuff, so I'm back to playing with the dynamic thigh highs. Between the preshrinking and the conforming toe caps I'm starting to get pretty promising results.

The funny thing about colliding with the conforming toecaps is that it works exactly once. The second time I try to simulate, the toecaps are completely ignored. Maybe another reason to wait for P13, on the off chance that this particular bug will have magically disappeared in the meantime.

I am hard at work after recovering from a flu.

Is this something you like? Of course no diffuse and shaders yet but you get the idea.

WOW!  That looks incredible!

WOW!  That looks incredible!

That's a beautiful morph, and I love all the secondary and tertiary detail you put in there.

So, it took me a while, but I think I've got the thigh-highs working pretty reliably now, modulo extreme knee bends (above 130 degrees, give or take). The setup is a bit trickier than my previous dynamic clothes, but there aren't *that* many extra steps. I'll just have to try and describe it well in the readme and hope that folks follow the instructions (LOL).

If anyone's interested in the full "making of" story, let me know. ;-)

great ones ❤

So, it took me a while, but I think I've got the thigh-highs working pretty reliably now, modulo extreme knee bends (above 130 degrees, give or take). The setup is a bit trickier than my previous dynamic clothes, but there aren't *that* many extra steps. I'll just have to try and describe it well in the readme and hope that folks follow the instructions (LOL).

If anyone's interested in the full "making of" story, let me know. ;-)

What set-up do you mean?  If it is the Dynamics Controls I have a script  (SimDataSaver) that can save those settings in the Poser library. If you need I can generate it for you.

There are a number of things involved. First of all, one needs to load the conforming foot covers/replacements and collide with both them and the figure's thighs and shins. It is also necessary to use draping and set the collision depth on the figure to a higher value. Finally, depending on the pose, it may be necessary to load and simulate the left and right sock as separate props.

As usual, I will share the ZIP file with you before submitting to FreeStuff. Any amount of automation you can provide will be much appreciated.

jroulin posted at 10:41 AM Tue, 21 March 2023 - #4459181

What set-up do you mean?  If it is the Dynamics Controls I have a script  (SimDataSaver) that can save those settings in the Poser library. If you need I can generate it for you.

There are a number of things involved. First of all, one needs to load the conforming foot covers/replacements and collide with both them and the figure's thighs and shins. It is also necessary to use draping and set the collision depth on the figure to a higher value. Finally, depending on the pose, it may be necessary to load and simulate the left and right sock as separate props.

As usual, I will share the ZIP file with you before submitting to FreeStuff. Any amount of automation you can provide will be much appreciated.

I will see what is involved when I have the items. It will maybe take a little more time than usually depending on the complexity. Simulating one sock after the other is no problem the script can do this.

If the socks need to be used with the toecaps conformed with the figure anyway, maybe extend the toecaps conformer up to the thigh so it becomes a complete leg. This means that the simulation needs only one collision figure (the leg) and needs not be linked to the Antonia figure the leg is conformed to. All relations and parameters can be stored and handled within the conformer, and any 'grow' actions to build tension and compression need to be done only on the conformer leg, which of course can have the required grow morph built-in.

There is not (yet?) a canonised morph set for Antonia, so a script cannot assume the moniker leg has all necessary morphs and therefore will need to have the morphs of the legs of Antonia, and the joint parameters when changed, copied in, but from there on it would be self- contained. 

Very far shot: since there is an initial morph anyway morphs to other figures' leg shape would, in theory, make the conformer leg portable to other base figures, provided they have a rig topology  corresponding to Antonia's.

If the socks need to be used with the toecaps conformed with the figure anyway, maybe extend the toecaps conformer up to the thigh so it becomes a complete leg. This means that the simulation needs only one collision figure (the leg) and needs not be linked to the Antonia figure the leg is conformed to. All relations and parameters can be stored and handled within the conformer, and any 'grow' actions to build tension and compression need to be done only on the conformer leg, which of course can have the required grow morph built-in.

Intriguing idea! If you ever put it in practice, I'd be interested to see how it works out.

The thigh-highs are now up on FreeStuff. If anyone reading this tries them out, let me know how it goes, especially any issues that may pop up.

Also, maybe it's time for another poll? What should Antonia put on next?

[ ] Knee socks (which would support the bent knee poses the thigh-highs do not).

[ ] A t-shirt and fitted pants combo.

[ ] A dress (if so, what kind?).

[ ] A romper.