I've been learning AI as Studio 5 is becoming vapourware and Poser (as just demonstrated) is still we-don't-know-what-to-do-ware.  250 bucks for a Kai's Power Goo interface, legendary instability, and content that came from the Poser 4 days?  No thanks!  You burned me with Poser 11.  It never ran more than a half hour without crashing and all you did was make excuses. 

And don't get cocky Daz, Studio has become a mish-mash of ancient code that hardly works anymore.  Blender and AI....here I come!

The Poser 13 content is downloaded from the Poser library ... Purchases, then click the Included tab. 

Guess I'll be waiting

FOR

As they have said the Program download only contents the program and a minimum amount of content required to get Poser 13 up and running.  If you already have content from a prior version you don't have to download it again if you don't want.  however, they have updated a lot of the content to have Super Fly materials.  Anything that starts with P13,such as the Hivewire figures.  So if all you need is the program it is now about 448MB instead of the 1.6GB that poser 12 was.  

The one thing I like about the new program is how fast it is when rendering.  I can now get a decent preview render in about 15 seconds using a GTX1080 video card.  That card wouldn't even run OptiX under Poser 12 and now it is the fastest renderer for Poser 13.

I usually make my final renders for promotion in 10 - 30 sec using Poser 11 at a size of 4000 + never liked the superfly engine, especially when it is for commercially used renders. Superfly would just slow down production no matter how fast it might be.

I was hoping for a Poser 11 upgrade path as well. Nothing. Its still cheaper to buy upgrade to 12, then 13, but that just sounds like crazy way to do it. I can understand they might feel money lost by allowing upgrade path for older versions, but it will be more money lost. E=on did the same with Vue, and I left. Yeah , 1 guy, but how many more? At least Poser isn't subscription. 

Was seriously hoping to bail out of the DS trap and get back to my roots, Poser, but I'm not seeing that happen. To much invested in DS and what appears to not be much of a stretch in achievement to Poser 13.  

Is there a content list someplace?  

It would surely be cool for some new content too, but from what I've read this is an early release and there are still pieces that are not complete. 

and I'm not seeing the excitement of the old days, at all

Well I am still totally exited

About the incoming Poser Drama

No upgrade from  11? I'm going to be flat out as blunt as I possibly can--I skipped 12 because I could use Blender to accomplish most of what 12 offered in conjunction with 11--I still run 11, and I'm not about to pay a full price for 13 when I can use Blender for free, and I can. 

 At this point it would be simpler for me to  just move my entire workflow to Blender than to pay $250 for something that isn't even close to the capability of what a free alternative offers. I don't know if you guy realize it or not, but you're shooting yourself in the foot here. The only reason I keep Poser around is the simplicity of the toon renders(literally that's the only render engine I use)--and in case you missed the memo your two largest competitors(DS and Blender) are both completely free.  

Don't get me wrong, I love Poser, long time user, but it's no longer worth the asking price--not to downgrade anyone involved with its production, but look around you--there's now a limited amount of high quality models that are compatible, and those models have very limited clothing/accessories, and if I'm going to have to jump over to Blender to  create clothing and accessories, I might as well just stay in Blender and save myself the return trip. 
 

It just makes me remember the Lucky-Bags in the 70's as kids we just loved them and could not wait getting some little cash on the weekends to get one of these. They had a cone form ( Cone Paper bags ) full of surprises and candy ! 

This release of Poser 13 just gave me a happy backflash. Good marketing strategy, Improvements that you can't see as there for later upgrades, content that you will find out what they are after you purchase and open that Lucky Bag. Walking and talking Models that you will see once you made your investments. 

Well that sure is Funny and I am amusing my self big time, for sure ! I just hope not to loose more clients that use poser in the near future.

So, what's the new figure? Is there one?

@vopehov506 We have updated the Downloads page at https://www.posersoftware.com/downloads to allow content downloads for each supported version of Poser via web browser.  Thanks for the heads-up.

tim posted at 1:40 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460018

@vopehov506 We have updated the Downloads page at https://www.posersoftware.com/downloads to allow content downloads for each supported version of Poser via web browser.  Thanks for the heads-up.

Content is still dated from 2020 - 2021 and is for  Poser 12

Hmm. If i understand it correctly the new content is available from the in program tab instead of separate download.

So...anyone know if there's any new content, compared to Poser 12?

Not complaining, just want to avoid downloading and installing everything, if it's already installed.

Right now it seems to be still the old Poser 12 content that comes along with Poser 13 unless there is an error. Would be nice to see a listening of the updated content but as long the upgrade dates did not change I doubt that they been upgraded.  

The materials and folder organization of the new included contents have changed. It is highly recommended to remove the previous contents before installing to avoid mixing new and old files that use different materials and folder structures. If you just overwrite the old included contents, it will make a mess. 

vopehov506 posted at 2:14 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460036

Right now it seems to be still the old Poser 12 content that comes along with Poser 13 unless there is an error. Would be nice to see a listening of the updated content but as long the upgrade dates did not change I doubt that they been upgraded.  

We are happy to report that an exciting new figure is in the works for Poser 13 and will arrive soon with delivery accelerated by the new content creator tools.  Watch the PoserSoftware newsletter in coming weeks for related announcements.  

The materials and folder organization of the new included contents have changed. It is highly recommended to remove the previous contents before installing to avoid mixing new and old files that use different materials and folder structures. If you just overwrite the old included contents, it will make a mess. 

Oh great, if Ken's scripts launch, I am in. It's that simple !

hornet3d posted at 2:28 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460045

Thank you for the tip.  As an aside the first thing I did was install all of the scripts I have of yours, quite painless and they all launch so it looks good.  i will check them out when I have some content to work with.

Due to the extensive changes in P13, it's hard to tell if it may break other scripts I made for P12. This will be an adaptation period, so please let me know if you find anything that breaks my scripts in P13. :)

Your Make Physical script is an absolute game changer for material room for idiots like me to convert old textures. It should be IN the program imo, but at least this way you get compensated accordingly. :)

The materials and folder organization of the new included contents have changed. It is highly recommended to remove the previous contents before installing to avoid mixing new and old files that use different materials and folder structures. If you just overwrite the old included contents, it will make a mess. 

Ken1171_Designs posted at 2:24 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460040

The materials and folder organization of the new included contents have changed. It is highly recommended to remove the previous contents before installing to avoid mixing new and old files that use different materials and folder structures. If you just overwrite the old included contents, it will make a mess. 

And thanks for the news about the new figure. I was wondering if Andy was it. :-D

vopehov506 posted at 2:39 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460054

Tuff for the ones that have an organized external runtime finding all the files to be removed, I mean allot have single runtimes with all the stuff they like and they sure are not small. Meaning you need to create a new separate runtime and hope that some of the double files are not accessed through the main external you also have loaded

One easy way to have them both available in P13 WITHOUT merging is to simply add your P12 runtime as an external runtime in P13. This way you can keep both without making a mess. :)

I wouldn't be installing it in the same folders. I use multiple runtimes, including different runtimes for the included content for each version of Poser. Hopefully that will be okay, because I don't want to delete any of my old runtimes.

And thanks for the news about the new figure. I was wondering if Andy was it. :-D

Your Make Physical script is an absolute game changer for material room for idiots like me to convert old textures. It should be IN the program imo, but at least this way you get compensated accordingly. :)

My metals never looked this good! I am eager to see what P13 can do with your script and increased render speed for Superfly, not earlier than thus weekend though. Real life is interesting this week with kiddo in 8th grade and having college prep intro already.

Right now it seems to be still the old Poser 12 content that comes along with Poser 13 unless there is an error. Would be nice to see a listening of the updated content but as long the upgrade dates did not change I doubt that they been upgraded.  

vopehov506 posted at 2:14 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460036

Right now it seems to be still the old Poser 12 content that comes along with Poser 13 unless there is an error. Would be nice to see a listening of the updated content but as long the upgrade dates did not change I doubt that they been upgraded.  

You know, that is odd. The dates on the files are mostly 2020. Including Dawn. Have the shaders really been updated?

Ken1171_Designs posted at 4:50 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460107

randym77 posted at 4:33 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460100

vopehov506 posted at 2:14 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460036

Right now it seems to be still the old Poser 12 content that comes along with Poser 13 unless there is an error. Would be nice to see a listening of the updated content but as long the upgrade dates did not change I doubt that they been upgraded.  

You know, that is odd. The dates on the files are mostly 2020. Including Dawn. Have the shaders really been updated?

I was looking on the other thread, they posted a render of Dawn with native Cycles materials that come with the P13 bundled contents. It's using native Cycles Principled BDSF, so it's definitely NOT the same as in P11 and 12. It has been definitely upgraded to Cycles materials. 

The Poser 13 content page is identical to the Poser 12 page, including the title (which is Poser 12, even though the URL reads Poser 13).

The file sizes are different, too. The Dawn file on the Poser 13 content web page is

randym77 posted at 4:33 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460100

vopehov506 posted at 2:14 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460036

Right now it seems to be still the old Poser 12 content that comes along with Poser 13 unless there is an error. Would be nice to see a listening of the updated content but as long the upgrade dates did not change I doubt that they been upgraded.  

You know, that is odd. The dates on the files are mostly 2020. Including Dawn. Have the shaders really been updated?

vopehov506 posted at 5:28 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460121

randym77 posted at 4:33 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460100

vopehov506 posted at 2:14 PM Thu, 30 March 2023 - #4460036

Right now it seems to be still the old Poser 12 content that comes along with Poser 13 unless there is an error. Would be nice to see a listening of the updated content but as long the upgrade dates did not change I doubt that they been upgraded.  

You know, that is odd. The dates on the files are mostly 2020. Including Dawn. Have the shaders really been updated?

I just checked the content zip files from Poser software place by manual download and the poser 13 versions are definitive the same as the ones from poser 12 no new files found there, no new structures.

These are the CORRECT zip files when you look in the Included tab. Bondware has been notified that the wrong files are showing up on PoserSoftware.com

OK P13 files should be fixed now on PoserSuftware.com

I'm going back to Poser 4 ProPack...

OK P13 files should be fixed now on PoserSuftware.com

Thanks! Looks good now.

Guys, just sharing some quick tip from my own experience/mistakes:

P13 open here, this was the first thing I missed from my previous setup: I suggest everyone that the first thing you do is go through all the main tabs (pose/material/hair/cloth/fitting) and mark at least 1 UI dot (lower left corner). This stores the position of the interface windows, and allows restoring in case you accidentally move something.