Greetings everyone!

It's been a long time since I've done any renders or even played around with Poser. I'm curious about Poser 13 as I own Poser 11 and considering upgrading. Does La Femme come with Poser 13 or is it some new figure? and that leads to a request for recommendations on must have items to go with the Purchase of Poser 13? I have content but most of it only works with that other program I'm afraid and I've no interest in using that program anymore. I do have a small collection of V4 figures, clothing, ect.

I'm also considering making clothing and items. From what I can tell in my forum deep dive Poser plays well with Blender for creation and even if I want to render there instead of Poser? I also understand that its quite a bit more complicated to rig the clothing that in the other program, or am I mistaken in that? Looking to verify that. 

I have this book: How to Make Clothing for Poser: A Step By Step Guide Tutorials : Learn 3D Lyrra (renderosity.com)
Would it still be relevant to Poser 13 and clothing rigging and such? If not I would be interested in any youtube tutorials anyone can recommend. Can't say Ill every sell things I make but it could be a possibility. Just really want to have fun with it for now.

Lastly would be where do you all post images of your renders besides this forum? I used to use Deviantart but I see it become an AI cluttered hot mess. 

I think that is about it for now. Thank you in advance for any information you all can provide. I am a bit ADHD (and at my age kinda sucks) so I hope it was easy to read and not a jumbled mess lol.

HI and welcome back to Poserdom!

La Femme and L'Homme BASIC versions are included for free. If you want the Pro version with anatomically correct bits and additional morphs, those are available for purchase. Details are here:

https://www.posersoftware.com/poser-free-dlc

In addition, a lot of content is included, you can find the link at the URL I just posted for those as well.

I let those who actually create content answer the questions related there, I am a pure end user I'm afraid.

As to where to post--galleries here are also filled with AI and others, but there is a dedicated Poser 13 image thread on these forums. Same situation you are with Deviantart. It really seems to me these type of images may be gone in a few years from now and we'll just do this for our own amusement and education--the pro slots for illustration will be filled by AI, methinks (saying this with several friends doing traditional arts).

The included content is enough to keep you busy for a while.  Then you can pick what those items that interest you.  My must have's will be different than yours.  The Galleries are filterable so you can view only what you want, except for the New Art it just shows everything.  But if you choose a sub gallery you can then filter to show only the type of software that made those images.  Or if you choose the Software then you can filter to the Genres you want.

Premium Tutorials | Renderosity

Above is a link to the videos about Poser here on Renderosity.  

to add, La'Femme 2.0 is coming soon and will be included in one of the Poser 13 upgrades so keep your eyes peeled for that release as well!  

Poser 13 does come with a lot of content. I don't know off hand how much was repeats of what came with 11. Some is old and may need updating if you're using Superfly. But that's the same with P11

Clothing made in Blender does play well in Poser. If you group the clothing in Blender and export those, it's easy to rig in Poser using the fitting room. The fitting room can also do auto-grouping but the edges aren't always the neatest.

We do have a gallery here. There is some AI. I'm the gallery mod so I see it all. I'd say it probably averages about 15% of the images. Most images are still renders.

@Rhia474 @Richard60 @RAMWorks  Thank you all for your comments and links. It is greatly appreciated. For must have's I was mainly thinking about lighting sets (I'm not the greatest at this part), or scripts/addons. 

Also, I do remember when I did this before I wasn't sure how to organize my runtime and it quickly turned into a cluttered mess. Anyone have any advice on this?

@RedPhantom Thank you for that information. When you use the auto-grouping can you tidy up the edges or the entire rig itself?

It might be done. There is the grouping tool. I haven't really looked into it. If it's just for my use, I leave it. It's not usually too bad. If it's something I'm going to release, I'll group it in blender.

Lotharen posted at 11:51 AM Sat, 19 August 2023 - #4472967

@Rhia474 @Richard60 @RAMWorks  Thank you all for your comments and links. It is greatly appreciated. For must have's I was mainly thinking about lighting sets (I'm not the greatest at this part), or scripts/addons. 

Also, I do remember when I did this before I wasn't sure how to organize my runtime and it quickly turned into a cluttered mess. Anyone have any advice on this?

For what concerns the Runtimes organization: I think that each person here as his/her own ideas, but in case here's mine.
Up to Poser7, it was a total mess, because I was stupidly relying on each vendor's ZIP organization.
During the Poser8 era, I started to reorganized everything. The main idea: a folder has the name of the character/poses/material/hair etc..., the supplementary packages are always stored as sub-folders of the concernes character/prop/hair
Now you may keep as many runtimes as it suits you. IN my case, Characters is dedicated to any 4th generation, when I convert them to Sasha, the result is stored in the corresponding folder

Props are general-purpose items, whereas Landscapes concerns outside scenes items, even though some still lies under Props. Etc...

Example with some Pose setups for 3D-Age's clothes:

And everything lies on a dedicated SSD, labeled P: because I'm a Windows user 

And everything I buy is stored the same way as the poses and materials: by vender of the object, on a NAS

and regularly duplicated on pocket-size hard drives, same goes for the runtimes and the folders hierarchy that holds my Poser projects.

Last but not least: using Poser's Favorites system and hard links for Windows (but the equivalent exists probably on Mac systems) you may create links that points to your most-often used items:

Like Y-Phil, I have a lot of runtimes for organization. Most are Firgure-related or theme related. No, I don't have 7 temp runtimes active. Those are where I extract things so I can sort them as I want. For a while I didn't have time to sort through them so as I added more content, I added a new runtime to keep things semi-organized and so I could pick through things that hadn't been properly put in any kind of a runtime.

In the runtimes, I also sort things by theme and group things that have multiple parts, like gloves, sleeves, pants, etc.

I haven't seen too many others mention this, but I put all my mat poses in my material folders to keep them together. And I put all the cr2 files that are clothes or non-living things into props. Only people, animals, and other living (or undead) creatures go into Figures just to keep similar things together. 'd rather not look in multiple places for just the right car or shirt.

@Y-Phil and @RedPhantom Thank you both for your detailed runtime organization. It is much appreciated. Now do you install the items directly to those runtime folder you created or install somewhere else and then move? or does it matter?

I was impressed by the amount of content that does come with Poser. I never really looked before to be honest. I always loved the Hivewire horse! So glad to see that is in the collection too!

In most cases, unzipping into a temporary runtime gives you ample time to sort through the folders, make the necessary organizational changes, and then transfer them to their 'permanent' runtime folder.  Whenever I download freebie content, I inspect the actual zip file's internal hierarchy and make the necessary changes there rather than unzipping all the folders to a temporary location.  This way, I have a 'corrected' freebie zip file that can be extracted either through Poser or selective extraction of grouped files to the runtime folder of my preference.  I use WinRAR for this workflow and I haven't had a bad experience yet.  It's surprising how free content zip files are poorly assembled and distributed without thorough testing.

I always unzip to a temp runtime and move it. Few creators have things packed the way I want them set up in my runtimes. This way I get everything just the way I want it.

Personally, I just open the zip file and drag folders into the appropriate places in the appropriate runtime, rather than unzipping them first.

But as the others above, separate runtimes per figure. Way less confusing that way.

I use an organisation much like Y-Phil and RedPhantom have. Dedicated folders for each main figure and its dedicated accessories, but a few exceptions: Hair models are easy to convert between figures, sometimes come with fit morphs, so I keep those in one Runtime. There are subfolders dedicated to the source figure, but that's it. Same holds for figure poses. As long as the rig is not arranged substantially different, today's figures respond well to the huge legacy of poses available for Posette and Vicky. (Tip: http://www.schlabber.org/piaa21.html)

There's a lot you can mix and match.   

Lotharen posted at 7:15 PM Sat, 19 August 2023 - #4473028

@Y-Phil and @RedPhantom Thank you both for your detailed runtime organization. It is much appreciated. Now do you install the items directly to those runtime folder you created or install somewhere else and then move? or does it matter?

I was impressed by the amount of content that does come with Poser. I never really looked before to be honest. I always loved the Hivewire horse! So glad to see that is in the collection too!

I have the same process: unzip in a temp folder, then move the extracted folders at the right places, but just a reminder, in case: Geometries and Texture must be moved as is, without the slightest change, in the Runtime destination hierarchy, move what's under Libraries accordingly (while respecting the type of what's being moved)
If the ZIP contains other folders that contain non-text and non-html files, you'd better act the same way as Geometries and Texture, because sometimes they may contain morphs and the corresponding Pose file will refer to them accordingly.

RedPhantom posted at 5:06 PM Sat, 19 August 2023 - #4473006

Like Y-Phil, I have a lot of runtimes for organization. Most are Firgure-related or theme related. No, I don't have 7 temp runtimes active. Those are where I extract things so I can sort them as I want. For a while I didn't have time to sort through them so as I added more content, I added a new runtime to keep things semi-organized and so I could pick through things that hadn't been properly put in any kind of a runtime.

In the runtimes, I also sort things by theme and group things that have multiple parts, like gloves, sleeves, pants, etc.

I haven't seen too many others mention this, but I put all my mat poses in my material folders to keep them together. And I put all the cr2 files that are clothes or non-living things into props. Only people, animals, and other living (or undead) creatures go into Figures just to keep similar things together. 'd rather not look in multiple places for just the right car or shirt.

I organise similarly.  I keep morphs and mats with the figure/prop.  Props contains clothes and personal props.  Hair contains static and conforming hair (and hair props, if they're specific to a hair model).  Animals, scenes, non-personal props in their own runtimes.  Toon stuff in it's own runtime.  I turn them on and off depending on what I'm working on. 

I do some other stuff to keep runtimes backup, deduped, and in sync across multiple machines.  I sculpt using a mix of poser and Blender.  Wrote a Blender add-on to make that easier ^.^

My hair is all together in one runtime since it’s easily used on almost any figure. It only sorted by male and female and long and short for each. 

Poses (actual poses not morph or mat poses) are in one runtime but sorted there by figure again because it’s fairly easy to use with other figures. Apollo has his separate since he’s so different.