I'd imagine that the official vue forums are now defunct, so I'm hoping that this will get more visits and activity!

I'm hoping Vue users who have left will return to the hobby with their amazing outdoor renderings again.

I'm getting back into Vue after a while without it as I couldn't install my old version (2015) on my current PC.   

As a former Vue user, I think I won't really use Vue again. I let it down when eon-software has been bought by Bentley and now I really prefer Twinmotion and I really don't understand why there is not a twinmotion community here. It's not only an application for architects and it's free for hobbyists. I posted my last Vue image on renderosity in may 2010... 14 years ago already, and when I look at the images made with Vue in 2024, I don't see big differences with what we did 14 years ago.

EA posted at 6:55 AM Sat, 1 June 2024 - #4485526

As a former Vue user, I think I won't really use Vue again. I let it down when eon-software has been bought by Bentley and now I really prefer Twinmotion and I really don't understand why there is not a twinmotion community here. It's not only an application for architects and it's free for hobbyists. I posted my last Vue image on renderosity in may 2010... 14 years ago already, and when I look at the images made with Vue in 2024, I don't see big differences with what we did 14 years ago.

True. VUE's rendering has not changed since 2010. Its obsolescence was artificially planned to keep users re-buying it for over a decade without any improvements made other than the GUI. Hobbyists figured this out long ago and left. Renderosity and Cornucopia3D both lost their data history at some point with no backups. So there was nothing to come back to.

Poser users are still here. It's kind of what Renderosity made its start from.

ShawnDriscoll posted at 5:02 PM Sun, 2 June 2024 - #4485578

EA posted at 6:55 AM Sat, 1 June 2024 - #4485526

As a former Vue user, I think I won't really use Vue again. I let it down when eon-software has been bought by Bentley and now I really prefer Twinmotion and I really don't understand why there is not a twinmotion community here. It's not only an application for architects and it's free for hobbyists. I posted my last Vue image on renderosity in may 2010... 14 years ago already, and when I look at the images made with Vue in 2024, I don't see big differences with what we did 14 years ago.

True. VUE's rendering has not changed since 2010. Its obsolescence was artificially planned to keep users re-buying it for over a decade without any improvements made other than the GUI. Hobbyists figured this out long ago and left. Renderosity and Cornucopia3D both lost their data history at some point with no backups. So there was nothing to come back to.

Poser users are still here. It's kind of what Renderosity made its start from.

That is simply not true - the Vue render engine has changed a lot since 2010. A Path Tracer was added, the newest beta has a first (and last) appearance of Cycles. More as a tech preview that now becomes a bit obsolete, but with some limitations you can use it a lot. And even the Raytracer has changed a lot, it is simply not THAT obvious to people who have not used the software since then.

Since I heard the news, I've been considering building a new computer and retiring my trusty old Sandy Bridge. So I have a query regarding the new processor. I'm thinking of getting 12600k, so I'm wondering how Vue (and Plant Factory) uses Alder Lake's p-core, e-core architecture. Does it fully utilize all available ones, including e-cores or just p-cores + threads?

Btw, wabe, if I remember correctly, it's Walther, right? It's been years, so I may be wrong and hopefully you still remember me! Haha! :)

Vishw posted at 7:01 AM Wed, 12 June 2024 - #4486077

Btw, wabe, if I remember correctly, it's Walther, right? It's been years, so I may be wrong and hopefully you still remember me! Haha! :)

Well, it is me indeed. But at my age, dementia might be an option, so maybe help me a bit - who you was and are.

To your question, I'm not a hardware connoisseur, and even worse, I'm a Mac man, therefore I do not know the answer to your question. Sorry.

ShawnDriscoll posted at 5:02 PM Sun, 2 June 2024 - #4485578

EA posted at 6:55 AM Sat, 1 June 2024 - #4485526

As a former Vue user, I think I won't really use Vue again. I let it down when eon-software has been bought by Bentley and now I really prefer Twinmotion and I really don't understand why there is not a twinmotion community here. It's not only an application for architects and it's free for hobbyists. I posted my last Vue image on renderosity in may 2010... 14 years ago already, and when I look at the images made with Vue in 2024, I don't see big differences with what we did 14 years ago.

True. VUE's rendering has not changed since 2010. Its obsolescence was artificially planned to keep users re-buying it for over a decade without any improvements made other than the GUI. Hobbyists figured this out long ago and left. Renderosity and Cornucopia3D both lost their data history at some point with no backups. So there was nothing to come back to.

Poser users are still here. It's kind of what Renderosity made its start from.

I've noticed that rendering in both 2023 and 2024 is much faster than my last purchased version whch was 2015 Inf.

gillbrooks posted at 12:05 PM Fri, 14 June 2024 - #4486217

ShawnDriscoll posted at 5:02 PM Sun, 2 June 2024 - #4485578

EA posted at 6:55 AM Sat, 1 June 2024 - #4485526

As a former Vue user, I think I won't really use Vue again. I let it down when eon-software has been bought by Bentley and now I really prefer Twinmotion and I really don't understand why there is not a twinmotion community here. It's not only an application for architects and it's free for hobbyists. I posted my last Vue image on renderosity in may 2010... 14 years ago already, and when I look at the images made with Vue in 2024, I don't see big differences with what we did 14 years ago.

True. VUE's rendering has not changed since 2010. Its obsolescence was artificially planned to keep users re-buying it for over a decade without any improvements made other than the GUI. Hobbyists figured this out long ago and left. Renderosity and Cornucopia3D both lost their data history at some point with no backups. So there was nothing to come back to.

Poser users are still here. It's kind of what Renderosity made its start from.

I've noticed that rendering in both 2023 and 2024 is much faster than my last purchased version whch was 2015 Inf.

I have an i9 with a newer video card. So VUE 2023/24 runs blazing fast compared to Vue 10 Infinite on an i7. The final rendered output is the same, though, in both apps.

Yes, the rendering engine, while updated as wabe says, is not equivalent to one of the stand-alone rendering engines that cost more than $500.00 USD. But, that is to be expected. BUT, it sure is nice to be able to paint landscapes with plants again, to make stones and rocks, and make decent water for lakes, harbors and oceans. In most of the big-name software that I use (Maya and MAX), we can create clones of plant models and then "scatter" them to populate landscapes. But, these processes are nowhere nearly as good as Vue, and there usually is no mechanism for creating random variations in those clones. And, silly as this sounds, I need a lot of rocks and stones in my work. Now, I have a decent rock generator again. Finally, I need to be able to create better water than in this river harbor scene (draft quality rendered here in Maverick Render). So, short of requiring Realflow or Houdini, I'll be able to create more realistic eddies, ripples and direction changes in the water current around my boats.

I'm liking this and I'm grateful to have a current copy of Vue.

By the way, Shawn, Gaea Version 2 is out now in early beta, but it has a long way to go before it is complete and useable. You did well in not waiting for it.

Yes. I'll agree that Vue has one of the best ecosystem paintbrush tools. I still have GeoControl 2 for making terrains if I can't get Vue to do the exact one for me.

As a long term Vue hobbyist since days of Vue 4,  last year I upgrade to Vue 2023.   I am retired now and also was into Lightwave 3d - but the latest Lightwave owners don't update the code and was disappointed with the change. Graphics is a hobby for me and I also got into Rebelle 7 Pro.

I was not planning to upgrade, but I just downloaded all files and thinking of Installling and revisiting it.

I do have  3 questions

1.  Should you use the 2023 or 2024 version

2.  Should I uninstalled original versions

3.  Can 2023 Mac version work on ARM like the M2.

Stewart

I never stopped using it, but I stopped upgrading when it went to a subscription model.

I still have a few Vue items here on Rendo and over on another store, but I don't hold much hope of there being a market revival. The handwriting was on the wall as regards to the content market when Cornucopia3D changed directions, before e-on was sold.

I'd like to see NP buy back the Vue source code but I don't think that will ever happen (plus I get the impression that Bentley has reasons not to).

I'm late here, only today I saw that they released it for free...I was just a casual user with a few renders, but I've seen Vue from the beginning...I have some nostalgic feelings now.

I stopped using Vue due to unbearable render times and many crashes.

Also a few days ago I've seen on YT a charmy little builder app, "Tiny Glade", (a brilliant diorama castle builder thing) with a real-time render engine, with always animated basic landscape...think if Vue could have developed in that direction. It seems that there are new developers popping up with similar ideas but with better implementations...it would be fun, for example, if Tiny Glade could be developed into a Vue-like landscaping program.

On the other hand, I also messed around with A.I. landscaping, NOW we have a "Make nice landscape" button, hehe, I could "make" images that was almost impossible in Vue eller Bryce, that was a crazy journey with the PromeAI. Still, on some level it makes me sad that it's over for Vue, despite it didn't like my computer, lol. Will grab what's left of it, see if they work on my old PC.

By the way, did anybody test the GPU render on Vue (I don't have such card)....I wonder how thousands of CUDA cores could deal with Vue compositions, everything "on", lol.

Late to the game here, but felt the need to add my own "in memorial" post. Like attileus I was feeling a bit nostalgic at the news. Having started using Vue with Vue d'Esprit 3, one of Vue's strongest strengths was community. Personally I think that the emphasis swung too much to professional/production house use and away from those that really drove the program forward - the serious hobbyist. This isnt a criticism of the program or features added that were geared to professional use (as they were great features), but the fact that its main demographic was left behind.

Maybe the writing was on the wall when Nicholas Phelps sold E-on Software, maybe it was the issues with Cornucopia3D, but without a doubt the subscription model moved the program away from many hobbyists who had cherished the program for years previously. Lets not forget, that for many, Vue was their initial introduction into 3D. The program, for me, lost its sense of community with its sale to Bentley. I look back fondly to those earlier days of E-on Software and the community that was built up around it. Even the little things - who can forget Picture of the Day?

I was very fortunate that I was invited to write tutorials for Vue in 3D World and Renderosity magazines in the past. It saddens me to see the programs state at this stage. I guess the World moves on. Tools and technology changes. I still can't think of a program that can do as well, as what Vue could do.

Thank you to everyone for the memories.

There's still potential. Vue is now free and it talks Python... and so does AI image generation. I can see the possibility that someone provides some Python scripts that takes one's precisely setup Vue landscape, applied atmosphere etc, does a relatively quick render, and then takes the render into the AI for a final 'super-rendering' and up-scaling. The best of both worlds - great assets, great control, great atmospheres, but also a speedy final polish that makes it look superb.