Currently I am working on this facial expression I cant seem to get right. It has to look mad and hurt, demanding some explanation. Please give me your straight comment, been staring at it myself too long. The texture and lighting need a lotta work, hair too . Tips are much appreciated. Thanks Maxx :-)

heh thats scary :) i think if youre going for a mad look, you need to have the eyes narrowed quite a bit more. she looks like shes half suprised/half mad. or insane :) otherwise good work, she looks very original.

Blink and Wince1 are good eye-narrowing items. i like the frown. Not everyone presses their lips so tightly; in fact, if i glare into a mirror, mine aren't pressed at all, just a little frownL and R. Also try head tilted down, chin tucked and glaring up from under eyebrows; in that case, less Wince is needed, and more eyebrow lowering.

Needs a vein sticking out in the middle of her forehead and some hair and she looks a lot like my X.

Reminds me of someones mom after she caught us with black shoepolish on her cream shag carpet... I like it LOL!

Thanks for some really great and useful input, Im working on them right now. Expect to see a new picture with the results soon! Maxx :-)

The eyes need to be narrowed ever so slightly, also... the wide open eyes just look wrong somehow...

heya, if you are really serious about wanting to learn facial expressions I recommend you find any/all books you can by Dr. Paul Ekman He has made a study of the human face and how it conveys expression. Two of his books that are excellent source of info are Unmaskng the Face, and Telling Lies. It is my hope - should I ever find time enough to get around to it - to sit down and make up the different base expressions for Poser. It is from these base expressions that all our facial expressions are formed. You will see what I mean if you check out the book and see the face cards he has designed for test recognition purposes.

Thanks alot for the tip, shadownet, Ill check amazon for it. In the mean time, have look at the next msg with a new render. Again, shoot at it... Maxx

Hi again, heres a second render of the face, adjusted in accordance with your tips. Again, comments are highly welcomed... Maxx :-)

What's missing is the "hurt" aspect that you've described. Try adding about about a .3 dollop of "worry" for the eyebrows. Don't let the "worry" name throw you. It'll add a bit of vulnerability. Increase or decrease to taste.

Yes, add in the worry (upfurling of the brows) as suggested. Also, thin and clench the lips and jaw a bit more to strenghten the anger aspect in the lower portion of the face. Narrow the eyes as well. Eyes tend to appear to squint a bit when angry due to the lower face drawing upward from the muscles in the check setting and even adding a bit of frowning to the mouth. Whereas the brows tend to knit inward and down, causing the eyes to narrow even further. The upfurl at the inner corners of the brow will help add add the hurt expression you are seeking. Some ranges of emotion are nearly impossible to combine and do not really exist on the human face as one might believe. In this instance, while it may be difficult in acutally to feel both hurt and angry, it can occur and can be expressed as anger is most notably reflected in the lower portion of the face (when combined with another emotion). While expressions like Fear, Worry, and Hurt are more evident in the eyes, eyebrows, and surrounding muscles of the upper face. Hope this helps. Rob

Heres one more, last one for today. I added some "worry"... Maxx

Getting there. Narrow the eyes a bit more and work on the mouth some and you will have it. Also, if you can somehow turn the inside corners of her eye brows upward, it would help. How you have them now, however, will work if this is not easily done.