Regarding Images.... While visiting the other forum I had notice something, that I need some of you to fix. Basically, it is this... Please, please, while posting images to the other forum, could you please not link to the images that you put up on this forum. Here is why... When you upload an image to this forum it is stored on Renderosity's server and stored there. Everytime someone opens it and views it from here it uses Bandwidth. Which is okay, that is why we have the sponser to help us pay for the bandwidth. But when you go to the other forum and link to the image that is hosted on our server, whenever someone clicks on the image to view it over there, it takes with it, some of our bandwidth and I get charged for it. The PFO has sponsers that pay for their forum to be there. That money should be paying them for the Bandwidth which they use on that forum. Their team should make it possible for you to post an image like we do, without making you have to link to somewhere else. Otherwise where is their sponser money go, for their bandwidth can't be that much. But that is neither here, nor there. Personally, if it didn't cost me as much as it does to run this forum, I wouldn't mind it. However, I think it is unfair of me to ask the sponsors of this forum to pay for bandwidth that isn't truly being used by this forum. I ask, that please, if you have post an image to the other forum that links it to this site, to please remove it and put it back up under another link maybe to Geocities/Yahoo or FortuneCity... Please, I wish to keep this forum here and don't wish to have to remove people's images that are linked from there to here to keep the forum here. Otherwise, I will also have to go to the same posting method that the PFO uses, where you put it up on your own server and link it to here. Thanks, Jack

Does this mean you're going to start storing the "freestuff" files on your server? As I recall, your forum software has some rather interesting code to make it possible for freestuff contributers to store files on "free sites", even if those sites have taken precautions to make this difficult, because they want people to read the banner ads that pay for THEIR bandwidth. Remember how much trouble, how many itterations of the funstuff (before it was freestuff) code Roy went through before this would work on Geocities? Ciao! Joe

Yeah Joe, I remember and we are working on somethings, but one of the main things we have to do is keep our bandwidth "in house" or we are going to have a devil of a time finding sponsers that will want to pay for it. Jack

... code to make it possible for freestuff contributers to store files on "free sites" ... - What's the matter with that? It's just one of the facts of life, people evading attempts by firms to make them waste their time reading advertisements. I read the HTML text of one advertising banner, and it contained some Java including a comment "set date to defeat cacheing". We don't need THAT sort of thing, wasting internet relayers' time and adding to dialup line phone bills by sabotaging the very useful caching mechanism merely to make people see an advert.

Clue meet Anthony. Anthony, this is a clue... There is no such thing as "free". The advertisements are what pays for the free sites (including this one). Bypass this, and there won't be any free sites, anymore. That's what Jack's post is all about. If people link directly to files on THIS site, they use HIS server's bandwidth, without reading the advertisements that pay for this site. This is probably not a good thing. My only point is that it's probably not the best place for him to take an ethical stand, since "freestuff", a very popular part of this site, is built around the very thing that he's complaining about. Ciao! Joe