I have read and downloaded linda@visualmagic.awn.com 's tutorial about making underwater scenes; but how can I make a realistic view of sea waves seen from underneath? If I put a standard Bryce water level above me, it shuts all the light out.

She seems to write as if she was using Bryce 2. Was she relying on the "any object can radiate light that can illuminate other things" property? I heard somewhere that Bryce 2 had such a property, but Bryce 3 dropped it because it made rendering take too long or something like that. Will her method of deleting the sun and instead using a "square light" work with my Brye 3.1?

BuckRodgers- Look at the image I just posted in the Poser forum (title Underwater Encounter)and see if that is what your looking for. It was rendered in Bryce 4, of course! Maybe I should have read a tutorial too, instead I spent about 3 hours playing with the settings!

I managed to make realistic underwater low visibility, but only if I make sure that the camera sees only seabed. If I look up, it still looks like a shallow fog on land where the blue of the sky shows overhead. What is needed is:- - A water surface that can have waves, read from a mesh or according to any suitable type of noise, and behaving like the real thing as regards light shining through it when the scene is below it. - A type of transparent layer over the scene that can randomly refract sunlight coming through it, to produce diffuse light.

• the water surface, continued: and looking realistic when seen from below. Sorry about the split reply, but Demon Internet got into a panic and threatened to drop the dialup line unless I did something on it. Ditto the typing erors: I have to think and type hurry hurry hurry or Demon wants to drop the eline yet again. It will be lovely when I get back to work after the Xmas / New Year break where my LAN line stays up and open nall day,

I just found a tutorial for underwater scenes at http://www.bmacleod.com/brycelibrary.html - I haven't even thought of trying it out, but it might have what your looking for.