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Subject: From the heart...what makes you click a pic? what makes you comment?


Poppi ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 8:20 PM · edited Thu, 14 November 2024 at 11:47 AM

This is kind of work related (I have a ton of advertising to do.) But, it is also felt from the heart. I flip through the galleries...well, Poser, and, Bryce, to be honest. I get boggled as to why some pics receive 300 hits in a 24 hour period, while others, containing basically the same content, get like 15. I am also boggled why some pics get 20 comments...and, yes, others, that to me, are of the same caliber, get none. Back in the old days of the "hot 20" by hits, it was well known that tits and ass got hits. Now, I see almost all t&a in the poser gallery...but, not all are getting hits. Is there a new thing out there....like notify 50 acquaintances that you have posted? Or, do you feel something innovative and different will bring in the viewers? I'm not really looking to rock any renderosity boats, with this thread. I am just up against creating a TON of advertising in the next few, six, seven months, in the real world. I want to merely know, what floats your boat when it comes to your personal gallery viewing tastes. Thanks in advance.... Pop...Pop...Poppi!!!


Marcabros ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 8:34 PM

well this is an good question, i ask a while ago too and if you take a real look you'll see that just etablished artist and merchandiser get the most comments or his/her beta tester. this is just the way here. they living on the highhill and forgot they start using poser too a long time ago. You'll not find any answer from those people here because they don't want answer you about this. :))


Poppi ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 8:49 PM

Thank you, Marcarbros. I am hoping some of the other folks will answer...the ones who are not involved in the selling, here. Do you click on the pictures, more often, that are produced by our merchants, or their testers? Do you prefer looking at products that you might use, as opposed to something entirely new, and, not for sale to the general public? How many of you have clicked on someone like...davidho? Just to check out something that may be new and innovative? How many of you feel that you "think outside the box"? Answers will be appreciated. I have both print and web work in my never ending future of toil. I want to succeed. Should I go with the "old" "tried and true" images...or, have a little fun, and enjoy making new, innovative ones? Pop...Pop...Poppi!!!


Poppi ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 8:56 PM

Your glass or mine? Mine is half full, but, in my eyes....three quarters full...cause i like fillin my glasses back up ;*)


lalverson ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 8:56 PM

what makes me click? 1. Size- under 200 (never needed to see big rez, many under 200 look better than the 700 ones) 2. Title- Are they wanting to tell me a story? Does the title match the thumbnail? 3. Use of color, is it a B/W or partial color. 4. Artist's that post few images What do I not click on? 1. WIP-(if you are not done, why do I want to see?) 2. Stock poser figures- If they haven't attempted to customize a figure, why look at flower arranging. 3. A stock pose in the thumb- same reason as #2 4. artists that render 12 images from the same PZ2 and post them all. 5 Obvious pin-ups. (I have poser myself and load in my own nudes and gawk)


hardtwist ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 9:02 PM

I think what gets me to click on a thumbnail is if it shows interesting lighting or modeling. Probably lighting draws me in more times than not. Sorry to say I often dont look at the artist name until I look the render over. Then if it still holds my attention I will make a comment. Sorry for the people I know that is why I sometimes dont comment on their renders. I dont play favorites. If the render is good is all that counts with me. Not who did it. I dont even look at most of my own because I dont think they are up to my liking. LOL Good luck with your question Poppi


VirtualSite ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 9:09 PM

I seek out the artists like Davidho and Dragongirl, the ones way outside the Rsity mainstream. These are the folks who really push the envelope, and I eagerly look forward to whatever new offerings they have. The rest? Well, guilty pleasure: anything by Legume, especially now. A couple of his latest offerings are really close to the edge, but they still give me a laugh. There are others, newbies whose work I'm following to see how they develop and long-time artists whose work just keeps getting better and better. The latest piece from Catharina P (and I know I've misspelled that name) is amazingly realistic: I honestly thought it was a photo that had been loaded into the wrong gallery. Sometimes people send me an IM asking me to take a look, and I'm usually really surprised by the talent (well, like our buddy lalverson here, who directed me to his latest offering, which I really enjoyed, bud -- thanks). Most of the T&A stuff -- well, there has to be something that makes me want to look; otherwise, I just give it a pass. WIPs can be interesting, but not when they're loaded for the fifth or sixth time. The rest? For the most part, it all strikes me as adolescent, a bit. "Oooo, look what I can do, and she's all mine, mine, MINE, YOU HEAR, MINE!!!!!" But that's just my 0.02.


ockham ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 9:23 PM

I skip nudes entirely; well-clothed and well-decorated females are what get my heart (and/or other viscera!) to ticking. Beyond that, a figure or setting with some historical or nostalgic sense will hold my attention longer than a present or future-looking image. Brand loyalty applies here; I'm more likely to click on a piece by an artist whose work I've previously appreciated.

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Butch ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 9:25 PM

I never notice who the artist is. I click on a picture if the thumbnail looks interesting. If there is no thumbnail or I can't tell what the picture is, then chances are great that I'll skip it. I usually only post a comment if the picture makes me go WOW! I don't think that I have ever posted a negative comment. I would suggest that a good thumbnail will get more hits than anything else.


Poppi ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 9:31 PM

These are interesting answers. Wow...how could I forget Dragongirl's work? She is doing some awesome stuff. So, what I am tallying...name brands, and friendships make some click. What about those of us who have extensive regimes to fulfill in that old "real world"? Are we less deserving of clicks due to lack of having the time to make ourselves known, or to form alliances? And, how do these observations apply to the "real world", where, I have my ton of advertising coming up? T&A won't work...it is for a major hotel/office space development in the very center of our downtown. More answers, please? Pop...Pop...Poppi who must go to bed, 'cause she has to rise and try to shine in the a.m.


Marcabros ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 9:34 PM

I really like picture with a scene a lot stuff on it..a picutre who tells you a story . I don't prefer so much the nacked picture but i take a look at them too. I like picture with handpainted stuff too and i agree with VirtualSite. I love the picture from CathrinaP, she is just amazing..her work and everything she is doing looks so natural. One of the artist i like to learn from. I also like the pictures from lalverson too...she can make me smile with her talent and her pictures marvelous. Morris is an good artist with beautiful handpainted hair...all this make me click on the thumb. I also like noname artist .. pictures like from otty the just telling you...CLICK ME :))


designodyssey ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 9:38 PM

i think it is a valid question, and since i am rather new to reading the forum(though i have been looking at the galleries for several months now), then it is a new one on me. If i am looking at the "What's New" stuff(which i only rarely do), i will click on it if the thumbnail looks interesting or if the title is interesting to me or if the screen name of the person is interesting to me. The galleries i most often look at though come from an entirely different direction, or lead in one i guess. Usually if someone comments on something i have done, i will go look through their gallery to see what they have done as well. i do searches in the gallery for people and often the search engine will give me not only their work but work they have commented on or work where the credits mentioned their name, etc. and i often go off on tangents from there, clicking on the items of the people they too commented on to see what they saw and what they had to say about it. The reason i comment on something is because it moves something in me, causes an emotion in me, sometimes a "negative" one, more often a "positive" one, or it causes me to think in a different direction than i previously was thinking or inspires me to do something a different way. i don't know the reasons other people click on work but would be interested in finding out. i would also be interested in what causes someone to click on one image of a submitter but not another one by the same submitter. i guess that seems off to me though because i usually look at personal galleries much more often than i do at general galleries. Anyway .. that's all i guess i have to say at the moment .. lol. Namaste, odyssey


Sue88 ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 10:15 PM

Unfortunately I don't always have the time to look at the new postings, but when I do, I look at the thumbnails, not the names first. If I like the thumbnail, then I check who the picture is by. If there is no thumbnail, chances are I'll only look at it if the title is intriguing. What kinds of images do I click on? I don't care much for naked women or pictures of women standing in rigid poses wearing close to nothing. I like images that have nice colors, interesting details, a story to tell. It could be a picture with human characters or other creatures in it, or a beautiful scene. If I like the picture, I comment. If I don't, I just go back to the gallery. If I know the artist is a newbie I really try to find something good in their picture to comment on, since I'm a newbie too, and I know how good it feels to receive positive comments. If I receive a comment from somebody, I usually look at their gallery, too, but this brings me to a dilemma: There might be some really nice pictures in their galleries which were posted some time ago. Do I comment or not? Since the image is not a new posting, wouldn't it seem that I'm only commenting because he/she just commented on my own picture? What do you think? Or should I just not worry about it and comment, no matter how long ago the picture was posted? So, anyway, I look at pictures that seem interesting, that suggest a story, or have beautiful scenery. HTH!


tbenner ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 10:24 PM

This is a very subjective. Everyone has their own built in set of criteria which can even change on a day to day basis, depending on their mood.

I can tell you what turns me off though, is a thumbnail which does not represent the actual image.

I think in the end all you can do is create an image which evokes a response in you. If other people don't like it, oh well. Keep on rendering!

I don't think you can look for any cookbook solution here; there really isn't any. What i will generally do is try and step outside myself and ask would I click on this thumbnail if I was someone else.

I do agree with other posters and I have seen this myself that once an artist reaches a certain status, people will click and drool on those images simply because they are from that artist. I aspire to reach that point someday! I just heard Vicki say "in your dreams!" :-)

Given the number of people who visit these websites, you will probably always find a group of people who like your images or your style. And I believe that is the major point; every person has a slightly different style. And maybe this is what really draws people to click on certain images.

Hope this if helpful.


Marcabros ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 10:24 PM

Thumbnails like this making me click a picture and those is really the best picture i've ever seen on here. http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=136556&Start=13&Sectionid=1&Form.Search=sirocco


MikeJ ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 10:31 PM

I rarely look in the Poser gallery, but I often look in the Poser Hot 20, just to see what's going on in there. I hate to say it, but generally, the Poser gallery just doesn't have stuff that interests me, and I'm more likely to find the types of pictures I like in the Lightwave, Cinema 4D, Truespace, Bryce and Vue galleries. I tend to browse those galleries quite often, though I rarely comment anymore, but still there are a few Poser-specific artist's whose work I like, and after you've entered their names in the "By Artist" field, they stay there (at least in IE), so it's easy to check on the progress of those who I have personally deemed "worthy" of my time. And there are ALOT of them, for that matter, even in the Poser gallery, but as time goes on, I'm thinking the vast majority of Poser renders just ain't doin' it for me, particularly the never-ending barrage of pinups. I'm more into the technical side of this whole 3D thing, and it's really not that impressive to see a pic of a character someone bought, plopped into Poser, rendered, and that's it. The Poser renders with exceptional post-work, lighting and textures are the ones which grab my attention. But then again, I'm getting mighty bored with Poser altogether.....



Ajax ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 10:40 PM

For me there are a few differnt ways I can find myself wanting to click. If I see an image by a friend I'll check it out and probably leave a comment just so they know I looked. If I see an image by someone whose images I've enjoyed before Ill check it out. In that case I'll leave a comment if I think I have something I want to say. I hardly ever leave "thats wonderful" type comments. I'll point out a particular aspect of the pic that really impresses me or I'll suggest a way of improving some aspect of the pic that lets it down, or both. For people unknown to me what draws me in can be either the thumbnail or the title. Interesting and unusual is what I look for. Also the detail and quality of the thumb is important. Colours are important too. If the colours are boring or the posing looks amateur or there's no background detail, I'm unlikely to click. With my own gallery, I've noticed that I get comments from friends (about one quarter of all comments), consistent comments from people I don't know but who I guess must like my pics enough to keep an eye out for them (another quarter) and comments from people I've never heard of (about half). Sometimes I get comments from the vendors of products I use. I also sometimes search by my name to see if I can find images with my stuff in them. I do that because Im curious about what people do with my stuff (free stuff or store stuff). Its a nice feeling to see your stuff being used by somebody. I may leave a comment if the image interests me enough or if I have some particular advice about how to get the best results from my item. I just recently posted my first ever T&A thumb. It got more hits in the first 24 hours than any other pic Ive done and is also the only pic I have that got more than 10 comments. To me, that says it all about what makes most people click.


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Tashar59 ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 10:40 PM

Lighting is the first thing I notice in thumb, if it catches my eye I check it out. A good teasing thumb, again I check it out. I don't bother with the repetitions, once you've seen one, they all look the same, where is the creativity in that. If I like something,I say so, if I don't, I say nothing. I'm learning myself so I don't have the right to critisize someones work.


arcady ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 10:48 PM

I think a lot of it has to do with how much presense you have in the community. If you make a lot of comments in other people's work they will likely make comments in yours. Simply put they'll remember you and notice your work out of the 3 million images that get posted every 20 minutes. More than likely this also works for people who gab a lot in the forums. They're remembered and they're seen as social so they get comments. There is some issue of quality to it. But to be honest some of the most commented pics are not in the higher ends of quality. We've all seen a pic go up and get a pile of positive comments within minutes but notice that the image is not only not that good but subpar for the artist's norm. There's also a bit of a work that quietly disapears even though it may contain something very powerful and well done. While quality does play a factor. I suspect being nice in the sandbox or at least being well known plays a larger one.

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VirtualSite ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 10:50 PM

It got more hits in the first 24 hours than any other pic Ive done LOL -- when I posted my first submission to Cin-'s pin-up contest, the title was simply "Pamelily Pin Up Contest Entry" and a thumb of a hand near an apparently naked thigh. It got more hits in three hours than anything else I've ever posted, bar none, and I can only imagine the surprise most people experienced when they opened the image and discovered it wasn't quite what they anticipated. No question about it -- the Poser galleries are there for the voyeurs.


VirtualSite ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 10:51 PM

I've asked DragonGirl to submit some costume designs for MAGIC FLUTE that I'm designing for Mobile Opera. Cannot wait to see what she comes up with.


MikeJ ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 10:57 PM

"It got more hits in the first 24 hours than any other pic Ive done" Yeah, you sure got that right! I actually went and deleted most of my "T&A" pics I had done because I felt guilty getting so many hits for something which even in my own opinion was half-assed at best. I've done it a couple of times in moments of boredom just to see how many hits I'd get, then deleting them. It's kinda depressing to see the stuff you yourself like most go largely ignored, at the same time knowing that all you have to do is toss a nekkid Vicki in there and make it obvious in the thumbnail, and you're likely to get more that 200 views within a day, if not much sooner, depending on what time/day it is that you post it. I'm betting we got an awful lot of 16 year old male members here....



cwshorty ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 11:03 PM

I visit the galleries several times a day and what usually draws me to an image is the thumbnail, I notice color first, warm fall colors will get me everytime, not the artist. I am not very likely to click on an image without one, I don't know I just won't and it doesn't matter who's it is. As far as T&A goes, I just recently posted a couple of images that had "nudity" beside the title and yes they have gotten the most views of all of my gallery - although I must admit they are better than my others. I don't get many comments and I'd be lying if I said that it didn't bother me, I notice the trend just like everyone else, while I am not new to RO but I and fairly new to actually posting images and even newer as a merchant, I figured it's pretty much the norm. I've often come away after posting something that I worked really hard on and may only see a couple of comments, but I've learned to accept that and move on and will continue to post what moves ME and not what I think someone else wants to see. I've thought about removing the option for comments but I feel it's a chance to connect with others in the "community", be it praise or a critique - hey I worked on that lighting for an hour and to have someone say "nice lighting" makes me feel good, it doesn't validate me as an "artist" it just plain ole makes me feel good. I leave comments in galleries that move me, it's as simple as that, again the artist doesn't matter.


Marcabros ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 11:08 PM

I have to agree with arcady..some of the most commentend pics are really not in the higher ends but the question is, why do the get this many comments. I'm an outsider and like to be honest and i know a lot people don't like the way how I am, but why i have to lie.


hardtwist ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 11:19 PM

I just went and checked to see how many hits my renders get. LOL The renders with girls in them got the most. I only have two and one had 445 and the other had 240 hits. Most of the others didnt even get 100. I never noticed that before. Guess that says it all. LOL Not a complaint just a comment.


MikeJ ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 11:23 PM

I don't think it matters, Ron. I do almost all of my posting in the Vue d'Esprit forum, which seems to be largely, inherantly ignored, anyway. I'm the moderator there, and I spend a huge portion of every day being "helpful". So much time, actually, that it's cut out of my time to leave intelligent comments, but I still make some time for it. In any event, I've noticed a sharp decline in the number of comments I get, since I've been commenting less, though I still seem to get about the same number of viewings, on average. Do I care? Not really. Maybe a little, but I'll get over it.



Marcabros ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 11:38 PM

Ron if you would take a look you'll see i go through the gallery and leave my comments. I also have given some helpful comments but i'm not always online here and can spend so much time like other people. Be honest..i don't see any of some artists here in the forum either but the still get the clicks and this is not for helpful comments in forums or the picture is on the higher ends..:)) I stopped writing comments to some artists because the picture looks like lalverson said (Obvious pin-ups. I have poser myself and load in my own nudes and gawk)


movida ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 11:41 PM

arcady: I totally agree with you with respect to "being well-known" equating to hits, if only because the name is familiar. It's standard advertising tactics...passive aggressive if you will g


MikeJ ( ) posted Thu, 21 February 2002 at 11:49 PM

I don't think anybody is really worrying about numbers. This is a discussion, not an argument. ;)



whoopdat ( ) posted Fri, 22 February 2002 at 12:04 AM

My quick $.13 (inflation and all). I'm guessing a good thumbnail is what grabs me. I can tell several different artists just by their thumbnails, but that doesn't mean I'll click on everything. I tend to ignore a lot of the "popular" images because they seem to be rehashes (and yes, I'm sure I'm guilty of it as well).

I comment very infrequently, normally because I don't spend a lot of time in the gallery. I spend more time in the forums trying to help out and like the interaction much more.

On a side note, someone said that commenting on others leads to others commenting on yours. I tried that for about a week once, just to see. Guess what. It works. And guess what else. The comments were all of the fluff type: "Great work!" "Beautiful!" "How nice!" I stopped when I saw where it was going and now only comment on something that really strikes me. I can do without an ego stroke.

Now, let's see how many people are offended by my bluntness. ;)


VirtualSite ( ) posted Fri, 22 February 2002 at 12:10 AM

Well, I'll admit, when I started here and posted my first images to scant attention, it was a little depressing, particularly when I saw the non-talent (and yes, I can make that judgmental statement) getting hundreds of hits just because it was nothing but big bazooms. But, like every other place, you eventually get the lay of the land, and you come to realize that you're not gonna make the Hot 20 because your work doesn't fit in with that. But it does get a little relentless in there sometimes: yet another tired image of yet another quasi-pretty girl (sorry, but Vicky really isn't all that pretty, IMHO) flashing her boobs that have been dialed up to 250%. We may not have a lot of 16 year olds, but we sure have a lot of guys who think with a 16 year old's anatomy. And that, it seems, is the Renderosity Way. Someone once said in C&D that we shouldn't complain that the place is like a strip bar because it is a strip bar.


Moonbiter ( ) posted Fri, 22 February 2002 at 12:40 AM

For the general Gallery's I choose thumbs with intersting lighting, new ways to use models. I also like ones that show a lot of thought in design or ones that depict scenes. Scifi and Fantasy get looks too. Pin-ups don't get many looks from me, not because I don't like them but because their is so dang many I would be here all day :) Names don't mean much to me either but ToxicAngel, Sturkwurk, Gevidal and MikeAzima get looks from me whenever I see a new thumb because I enjoy thier work and styles.


Thorgrim ( ) posted Fri, 22 February 2002 at 12:45 AM

Thats a tough question, now that I think about. There are some artists I always look at because their stuff is always amazing and inspiring. I like fantasy pictures, so I guess I usually look at those. Some times its a clever thumb nail that draws me in or even a clever title. I don't usually flock to the cheese cake stuff but I have seen some amazing stuff in that category too. Some times if a picture is using a character I'm interested buying or have bought I may take a look to get a better feel for the character. There are a great many talented people here and I often look at a picture in the gallery and wish more people could see this stuff. CGI as an art form that still seems to be only seen by people who are actually doing it. I also really like reading the critiques and suggestions on artwork as I have so much to learn about CGI as an art form.


Chailynne ( ) posted Fri, 22 February 2002 at 1:29 AM

Thumbs catch my attention, not names. Though you can certainly tell some artists by looking at the thumbs. If it catches my eye right off the bat, I look. Then I look through the page of thumbs again and see if there isn't a picture I might learn something from by looking at it. Full scenes tend to get my attention only because it's something I struggle with and have never been able to do. Also anything with well painted postwork, hair or clothes, again, it's something I can't do. Now if you were really talking print advertising, beautiful scenery or something simplistic but striking. ;o) Btw, another way to get me to click, use a horse in your renders, not the default p4 horse but ones like Daio and LisaB do. LOL


jenay ( ) posted Fri, 22 February 2002 at 3:49 AM

the first impression counts: it's the same in the gallery as in the real world. i think an interesting thumbnail is the main entrance. and if the title matches (or doesn't matches at all, but sounds interesting) then i'll click. i must admit, i prefer barely dressed beautiful women, but i also like well ornamented, decorated, textured, epic, historic ... scenes. just fantasy (i don't like everyday scenes at all - i have them in the real world - i don't need poser to copy the real world ...) sometimes i am a bit disappointed, i did i real good pic (in my oppinion), spent much time and effort - and no comments - few hits (less than 200). sometimes i post a quick and dirty render, something WIP, just before go to bed - and get many hits. by accident i posted the same pic twice (because had trouble with uploading) - in the meantime there were posted 2-3 pics in between. on the first pic (same thumbnail) i got around 150 views and 5 comments - the second one (posted only some few minutes later) got about 250 views and 2 comments. funny! (i deleted the first pic later and saved the comments ;) it seems that there is much random noise in it: when you post, who is online at the same time ... how about comments: sometimes i comment many pics - sometimes i am lazy. some pics are so stunning that i don't know what to say. just add another WOW-comment to the 40? sometimes i prefer a small IM instead of commenting. there are many artists i admire - if i have time i browse the whole gallery, comment the best pics (but not more than 10 comments). i like to comment pics from unknown artists (who got not so many hits) too. sometimes i browse other galleries (like terragen) and find there are few views but much more (in relation) comments - useful comments with constructive proposals instead of "Ahhhs" and "Ohhhs"! if i get comments on my pics i do a search for the artist and browse the gallery if i find time. sometimes i write back a small thanks IM, but not always. i think: commenting other artist's pics can be a promotion for my own work. sometimes i ask myself: why do i post at all? is it just to get hits and comments? is it fun? is it promotion? i think: as an artist the fist thing should be: i must like my work, enjoy what i do. the second one is to show my work - the third thing should be: comments and hits (i really enjoy having hits and comments). but sometimes i fool myself in posting only pics, exspecting to gain much comments and hits - instead of posting what i realy like. that can be a trap... hope this helps. (maybe i should write an essay - can't stop writing ...) jenay


cake1 ( ) posted Fri, 22 February 2002 at 5:47 AM

Why do i click..? i'm curious, so you have to make me want to see "what's behind the thumb" smile i tend to have some cliks on my images, and i think i have a clue why. i'm not the best at anything here, fact wich could explain clicks. and i surelly don't pretend to have the truth about that "click discussion" but i can tell you my opinion. In my work, for example, i love to play with thumbs. i spend almost as much time working on the thumb than working on the image itself smile i know it can look strange. What i mean is that i work on the image itself, and when i'm done, i start to think : -ok, how do i want to surprise them? -how to tease them? -What would i think of such a thumb? -what do I want to see? what do i want to show? - would I click on that? -how to make them smile (them would be the potential viewers) etc... Sometimes i create 20 thumbs to keep only one. don't think i'm a maniac about that, lol, it only takes a few minutes to decide what thumb to create or to use. but i think a lot of VERY TALENTED people here misestimate the importance of the thumbs, and i think it's the reason why people will look or not at their work. this was just my opinion, trying to answer the first question.. ;o)) About the comments.. that's harder. i don't comment often actually, cause i don't think what i would say would be really interesting. But i do comment when i'm "touched" in a way by an image or when i'm in the mood. You know that feeling??? Take care Cecile


thip ( ) posted Fri, 22 February 2002 at 7:12 AM

Sort of answered this Q once before, but just in case there's anything in my opinions you can use, Poppi : According to the web usability wizards(www.useit.com) web surfers hate : o Links (i.e. thumbnails) that don't tell you if they're worth the loading time o Slow loading o Scrolling So I'd recommend : o Good thumbnails w/ catchy titles - and a "nudity" tag ;-) o Max file 50K - that's 10 secs on a real-world dialup o Max size 800x600 - images are for viewing, not scrolling Also, if you sort the galleries by viewings and comments, you'll find that : o Lots of (female) skin => lots of viewings o Lots of skill (posing, lighting, etc.) => lots of comments o Lots of both => you're world famous on R'osity ;o) Have fun.


RealitysPoison ( ) posted Fri, 22 February 2002 at 8:19 AM

Wow. Thought-Provoking question. I don't actually think I could vocalize why I decide to click. In the beginning, when I was first starting out with poser, I would usually click what most of you like to call the "Big Names". Why? Because they seemed to have established to me that they knew what they were doing and I could learn from them. Now, my clicking varies. There are some names that I will always click on because I admire their style. Sinsister, Desdemona, picky, toxic ange, andgevidal,among the many. If I see a posting for these people, I will always click to see what they are doing. Other than that, it is kind of hit or miss. Although I think I have never randomly clicked on an image without a thumb. I am stuck in the middle of nowhere with a dial-up connection. If an artist doesn't have time to create a thumbnail, I really don't have time to spend 5 minutes waiting to view a picture that I have no idea what it is. T&A doesn't really pull me, and if the thumb looks like that is what it is going to be, I won't view it. But I will view other pinups at times, or thumbs that I like the color or style or lighting or feel of. It just depends. I also view often with the nudity filter when my son wants to look with me. So then there is a whole other scope of pictures that I view, because we look at what he chooses. At 3 1/2, he likes to see bright colors still. As far as commenting, I haven't for awhile due to lack of time. It is a terrible excuse, I know, but when you only have 1/2 hour to view everything posted since the last day on a dial-up, time becomes an issue. Unless I have a rare day off with extra time, I usually only comment on great works that don't seem to have been commented on. Well that's my 2 cents. Angela


VirtualSite ( ) posted Fri, 22 February 2002 at 8:41 AM

Lots of (female) skin => lots of viewings Fifty million 16 year olds can't be wrong... =)


SkyeWolf ( ) posted Fri, 22 February 2002 at 9:57 AM

Look, I'm not going to bother going through all the posts above...I'm just going to answer your question from my heart. Personally,first, I click on artists I have seen before and who's work I know I enjoy. Thumbnails also play a big part in deciding for me what I click on. If the thumb is intriguing then I click on it. Last of all I guess is the title. If the title piques my interest, then I click on it. I usually go thru the past days "what's new" (almost exclusively in Poser, I'll admit) and makes me go "oh wow" when I open it, then I will comment, regardless of who's it is. If the artist expressly asks for comments on a certain area, then again, I will try to comment. I don't always have the time to comment on every image I open up....actually, I almost never have the time to comment on everything, that's why I usually reserve my comments for the "OH WOW" images, or if the artist asks for something specific. Hope this helps.

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praxis22 ( ) posted Fri, 22 February 2002 at 12:55 PM

Hi, Why? Often pure whimsy. Ones with good thumbs are more likely to get clicked, as well as posts by people who's work I know and like. Conversley, sometimes I read the title alone and it piques my interest. I'm also more likely to comment if I like one then follow the link to the rest of the work. In fact I have to stop myself commenting, as often I feel like leaving witty/smartarsed comments that have no bearing on the quality or style of the image other than my own reaction too it. Stuff like, "nice ass" which is probably not what people are after by way of a comment :) I vote for the stuff that actually makes me stare at it, a casually cute image is nice, like flicking through a magazine, but it doesn't hold my intrerest. As I've said before, a good many of the faces (almost exclusively Vicky based) all look the same to me, the same sort of thing as looking at the current crop of "pop" idols. Fans may disagree, but I can't see much difference between Brittany and Christina A, or the countless others that parade on TV, it's the same "blonde and beautifull" American blandness that leaps at you from every magazine and billboard. The one face I found myself staring at yesterday was Kasia by Catherine P, partly because she looks like a character out of Anime, and partly because she's totally un-Vicky, She has her own face. Which again, is not to say I dislike the way Vicky looks. I just prefer her the way she looks "out of the box" Though I too look almost exclusively in the poser gallery, I occasionally spin on over to the bryce gallery, and once in a while simply hit "what's new" but usually poser only. Answer your question? :) later jb


igohigh ( ) posted Fri, 22 February 2002 at 1:14 PM

I visit galleries for: A) Inspirations B) Learn what others are doing (techniques) C) just plain old EyeCandy To make me click a thumb it has to catch my eye in some manner. I like 'scenes' rather than just 'portrates' but sometimes a portrate might lure me.....just fickled that way I guess. Sometimes a good or catchy title may make me click a thumb that I would have otherwise overlooked, I also like stories.. To make me rate something...well, as the rule goes you cancell out your vote if you give more then one..so, it has to realy stand out. I agree above about WIPs, I don't realy like spending time to download a WIP; that's what forums are for, but that's just me. "One person's food is another person's poison" (and vise verse;-P


jstro ( ) posted Fri, 22 February 2002 at 5:40 PM

I think there are several factors that contribute to some pics having a higher number of hits than another of similar style and caliber. One factor is of course is the thumbnail. Is it eye catching, does it show the whole pic or just a tantalizing hint of what's to come? I tend towards the latter. Another factor is that some people post in the forum asking people to go look at their pic while others do not. Nothing wrong with that, but the folks that ask are likely to get more hits than the folks that don't. I rarely follow such a link, but have been known to if it is someone I know and admire. A third factor is of course reputation. That does not necessarily mean people are snobs or cliquish, but as in all products (and yes gallery pics are products) the producers reputation is going to have an effect. I'm sure there are other factors as well, standard marketing tactics apply. Personally I don't view much of the Poser Gallery anymore since it is just too active to keep up with. I do try to make forays into the Beginner's Gallery now and then and try to leave comments that I think will help new people, most of whom exceed my skill even though I've been doing this for several years now. I still consider myself a Beginner since I just dabble and have never gotten the training wheels taken off. :-) jon

 
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Poppi ( ) posted Fri, 22 February 2002 at 5:40 PM

Thanks guys. You have been most helpful. I guess we all have our own likes and dislikes. Me, I like a bit of the strange....My favorites, among my own gallery, are the ones that feature "characters", so to speak. Yet, I notice that those ones get far fewer clicks, or comments than the ones that are just "pretty". Which brings me to question number 2....How many of you have found yourself composing a picture, hoping you would get clicks, as opposed to just going with that quirky idea in your head? I have....anyone else? Pop...Pop....Poppi!!!


jstro ( ) posted Fri, 22 February 2002 at 5:56 PM

I get an idea and just do it. Learned long ago not to expect clicks, since I'm not patent enough to put in the kind of effort to make truly good art. I like stuff that is slightly off base, both to view and to make. And fantasy stuff. If I wanted clicks I'd make huge breasted women or become a good artist. As I'm not inclined to do either, I just make what I want and if someone happens to say it made them laugh, then great. (And please don't take me wrong. I am not at all saying that people that make huge breasted women are not good artists. They are not mutually exclusive. I'm just not good at either.) Oh, and I do vote for the top 20. Especially in the Beginners Gallery, since I think it really helps the new users confidence. Sorry, I'm rambeling. jon

 
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Thorgrim ( ) posted Sat, 23 February 2002 at 12:14 AM

I have all these pictures in my head stored up over the years that I've always wanted to put to canvas. I've just never been a very skilled painter, so I've never been able to get these out. Now computer software and hardware have reached a point where you can do realistic art work on the computer without it costing you 100 thousand dollars. So, now's my chance, and theres no cleanup and best of all my paint brush has an undo button.:) I guess what I'm saying is my art work is for me first, if it pleases other people as well then that is indeed a bonus.


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