Dendras, You and I have had our tiffs in the past (Are you still mad at me?), but I have to agree with you on several of your points. Like you (and Legume), I know what it is like to get hate mail on a daily basis, so much to the point that I pulled back from the Community. I hate to see you go, bud, but I also understand why you feel you need too. People have to stop thinking just because the Web Sites may have a revolving door that to let things slide... eventually a stand needs to be made. Jack

IB,

You're talking about the hardcore 100, they never leave :-)

Try going back 4 or 5 years, which must be an eternity in web time.

I used to haunt the scifi forum on compuserve back then. In fact, that's where I met my wife.

We went back on one of those free trial memberships not long ago and ALL the regulars were MIA.

-J.

Heck, if anyone is a vet here, it would be JeffH, I remember him being on the Poser List even before there was a PFO and that was... god, yeah a little over four years!! We are going to have to get you an anniversy present Jeff :o) Jack

Yeah those Poser list days were great (1998). Larry Weinberg and Steve Cooper used to post there daily.

Is there going to be a contest to see who's #1 in the Hardcore 100? Because if there is, I'd like to get the fix in early and have all my fanatical devotees vote for me...

LOL..

ROFL!!

Before I read the whole thread- hee's the trace info I got so far on that IP. NORID Handle...............: CA156O-NORID Organization Name..........: chello broadband as Organization Number........: 980036472 Post Address...............: Maridalsveien 323 Post Address...............: Postboks 4437 Nydalen Postal Code................: N-0403 Postal Area................: Oslo Country....................: Norway Phone Number...............: +47 21 90 00 00 Fax Number.................: +47 21 90 62 10 Email Address..............: hostmaster@chello.no

I didn't think RonKnight lived in Norway. Huh. Anyway, that's not the point. I don't get it. So someone posts art you don't like, an opinion you don't agree with, whatever- so what? It's a big world, that happens. Drive on.

Ron,

Lets leave the dispute between you and Dendras off of these message boards.

Private e-mail exchanges are just that and have no business being argued in public.

Thanks.

-Jeff

Hey Jeff, seeing as to how you will probably be busy in this thread, would you like me to go over to the tavern and get you a beer? Jack

I don't plan to be here that long, thanks. I'm asking that it stop now, if it doesn't, suspension of posting rights will occur. Thanks. -Jeff

Oh gods. Compuserve's Sci-Fi forum? Not you too... ;] I haven't checked out or even thought about that place in ages. [Occassional reader on my part - never a regular] Yeah, 4 - 5 years back = "Ye olde Darke Ages". snicker That was back when we had to chip our own computers out of flint, and then carve our own punch cards out of papyrus [that we wove ourselves] in order to program them... shrug Yeah, some of us will stick around forever untill we become dinosaurs. The entertainment value won't let us leave. ;]

No problem :o) Jack

Im4Angels dusts the cobwebs and dust off of IB and then walks over and starts dusting his own museum Leesee, 8" floppies, 8088 'puter, Vic 20, 300baud modem. *Sends in an archeaological team to unearth the CGA graphics card LOL, Dinosaurs? Nah, none of us, IB.

Nope. Not at all. ;] Anyone see GreywolfStarkiller mouldering around under a stack of Iomega Flopticals and Benoulii disks anyplace? ;]

wow.. olde C-Serve regulars? heh heh heh.. Scifi forum. babylon5 forum, was an admin type in the new users, and in the international forum as well.. mainly a regular there though 8 ) remember the BBS's? dial in and see all kinds of neat stuff.. then irc out to other bbs's? those were the days na?

I think I have some 4 meg RAM chips around here, somewhere..... (If I tried to run on them now, I'd need 250 slots!)

ROFL, 4 meg chips, lol, how about an mem-expansion board to put in the individual chips to boost the system up to 2MB. Got a few of them Benoulii still laying around at work. LOL.

I've still got a working Floptical drive, but I haven't seen any media for it on the shelves in quite some time. I'm glad I bought a stack of them way back when.

Well, we do still have a drive for the Benoulii's in case they need to dig out the old files for some insane reason. Course I have found myself diggin into the old 3.5s on file from 93-96 to get logos and stuff for a customer's job, so we might have to get into a benoulii. Who knows? LOL, there's even a 'puter we just retired that was running Win 3.1 and has a tape drive. A superfast 486sx33.

Woo Hoo!! I still have my Sinclair ZX81 as the Pet died a horrible death a long time ago 8 those were the days.. when 16K was a lot of memory for writing programmes 8 ) that's when programing had elegance 8 )

ROFLMAO, does anyone except Wizz, IB and I know what CPM means??? or what it was like programming them?? ROFL

ooer.... and remember EPCDC? hoo boy what fun 8 )

'A superfast 486sx33' My first puter and with a whooping 200mb hard drive... It was HUGE back then.. Started out on a C64 Ahh those were the days when a gal could bath the kids, make tea, do the ironing while the program loaded in... ROFL

Hey... lest we not forget the beloved Commodore Vic20 in its cream coloured case!!! - 3.5k MEMORY!!!!!! or 2 simple, short text emails at current sizes!!! I used to dream of expanding it to a full 16k, but that would have been as much or more than the computer itself!!! I created a phone directory program in Basic on that, loaded from the equally cute (but hooj!) commodore tape deck for about 5 minutes! Ah those were the days indeed!! :) NOT!

Commodore...cream coloured...reminds me of the drawing program called Dr. Halo....he he he, I loved it...I could actually DRAW on my parents puter...it was wild....back then :-)

lol! - making pictures with ascii characters!!! ...or the amazing 'print and scroll ones name endlessly' and impress all your friends! :)

HA HA HA...ohhh and not to forget impressing the doctores and professors at the university with prints at those endless paper-things we were printing at back then... and me...when my parents got a win-machine and a new printer and they printed out all the font-types and showed them to me...man, it was not more than a couple...5-6 or so and I was SOOOOO impressed... :-)

Oh crap. Let's not mention CPM, Angel. ;] I still have bad memories of my early/mid 80's computer sciences and programming courses. Heh heh. I've got a stack of old PC Computing magazines from my '94 - '97 subscriptions, and one of them has a cover article expounding on the "Blazingly fast NEW 486 DX100! Too fast to believe?" smirk Same issue covers the release of such state of the art equipment as Western Digital's new 1 gigabyte drives. ;] Did anyone else here ever use PC Paintbrush?

Computers in the midt 80s...you mean computers ? Was their computer in the midt 80s ??? I cant believe it !!! Wish I could see one...any one got a pic...post it !!!

MY FIRST EXPERIENCE WITH A PC WAS IN HIGHSCHOOL WITH EXTREMELY ANTIQUATED EQUIPMENT IN '93. WE HAD MOSTLY XT 8086'S WITH 640k RAM AND 30 MB HARD DRIVES. WE HAD ONE AT 286 WITH A WHOLE 1M OF RAM, AND A 40 MB HARD DRIVE. NOW, AT WORK, I'M USING A 1.5 GHZ P4 WITH 512 MB RAM, AND A 60 GB HARD DRIVE--AND IT'S STARTING TO BE BEHIND THE TIMES TOO.

Your current machine has a jammed caps-lock key as well, replace it right away :-)

LOL, JR, my first PC was an Amstrad with its own version of DOS. It had 2-5.25 floppy drives cause a 10MB harddrive cost between $500 & $1000. I up-graded it to 512k of memory. Had a prog with it called locomotion basic for writing progs to do graphics. Dr. Halo & PC Paintbrush? Raises hand* yepper, I used them super high tech graphics progs. lol

Sorry about the caps lock. I forgot to turn it off. Everything I type at work is in all caps. I'll give those old XT's credit, they did run AutoCAD release 10 without much trouble. And you could score real high in Doulbe Block(a Tetris-like game)

Can y'all say Commodore Plus 4? 'nuff said. (tha's why I had to learn basic - so I could write my own programs. Yikes!)

Ah, some of you kids were sure spoiled rotten. I've had an Altair (and a PIP-8) back in 1976. The Altair had 512 bytes (not megs, not k, just bytes) of memory. It clocked at 700kHz (0.7 MHz) and could execute about 150,000 instructions/second. It had no OS at all, couldn't even run CP/M. You had to enter a program using toggle switches, one bit at a tine. 30 bytes of code was enough to get it to read the rest of the program from punched paper tape. I remember how excited I was when I got a 1k memory board. With 1.5k, I had just enough memory to run Tom Pitman's "Tiny BASIC". The teletype that I used to punch the paper tape and make printouts ran at 75 baud, and could print a complete page of text in about 12 minutes, upper case only. My current machine has 3 million times more memory than Altair, a processor about 10,000 times faster, and several hundred gigs of hard disk. And a printer that can do a 300 page book in 12 minutes, with typeset quality. I had a TRS-80, back in 1977. Originally came with 4k of RAM, and a 4K BASIC in ROM. That machine was incredible, press the power button, and it was ready to run. No hard disk, it read programs from cassette tape at 250 baud. I used to build computers for people who bought them as kits, then got in too deep trying to build them. Including a Sol-20 and several Altairs.

Now wait a minute....we have a lot of fun remember "old" days and those puters from way back then...we actually laugh at those machines...BUT tell me one thing. How often did they break down ? I have never seen my parents Commodore crash, but Ive certainly seen a Win-machine crash...more often than I like to think about :-)

that was back when the worst that'd happen is that you'd have to turn the machine off and clear the cards... and the worst thing would be a tube burning out 8 )

Yup. With my Tandy or my old 286, worst I had to do was cntrl-alt-del to reboot if something hung up DOS.

I remember when I did my artwork with a BALL-POINT PEN and NOTEBOOK PAPER. And it was SHIT. And we didn't have email or forums or the Internet. We used to just YELL.

Ball-point pen and notebook paper...ehhhhmmm...how old did you say you are ??? :-)

Spiral or Loosleaf? ;]

Those stupid huge assed pencils that they gave you when you were in Catholic school, you know, the ones that you had to rest on your shoulder when you wrote something... not to mention that crappy paper with the wide lines with the dashes inbetween... yep... Jack

Ahhhhhh...what a wonderful evening...I feel soooo young. Ball-point pens, notebook paper, pencils so huge you have to rest them on your shoulders when you wrote, paper with wide lines...all that was before my time...I simply cant remember seen any of that....only thing I dont like about this is that I do think you are younger than me, Jack...oh well, I prefere to forget that in the moment :-)

Heh, Try a Xerox CPM Z80 based computer with duel 8 inch disk drives and a printer bigger than most office photo copiers! THIS dinosaur still has much of the stone age equipment around. :) Greywolf

Aha! I see someone finally knocked over that stack of Benoulii disks and let you out, Greywolf. ;]

I don't usually chime in on forum topics, but knoing Dendras's work, I couldn't help but add my two cents. I would not be the least bit surprised at seeing this kind of behaviour from Ron Knights, considering he was twice kicked out as a member of the 3D Comic Collective, the second time resulting in a lifetime ban in participating in the group, due to his childish and vindictive behaviour when things didn't go his way.

It seems to me that , just like you, wherever I go, there's always a few jerks hanging around waiting to complain about me. We have something in common after all.

"I've avoided outright name calling and worked hard to avoid comments that can easily be interpreted as threats or name calling." Instead you use slimy insinuations of dishonesty,and manipulate 'facts' that you invent yourself, changing gears whenever asked to substantiate them. The people here aren't stupid, Ron. You're as transparent as a whore's nightie. "And now you say you're milder now than "your usual self?!" No. MikeJ said that. Yet another skewed "fact" from you. "Now your supporters are comparing me to a child molestor. This type of charge can do serious damage to a person's dreams, hopes, potential career, etc." Well, if it weren't for the fact that you're so incredibly easy to dislike, I'd feel for you. As it is, I'm just laughing at you instead. I could care less about your hopes and dreams, Ron. In fact, I wipe my ass with them. If you expect me to speak out against anyone who uses your same tactics of slimy insinuation agaist YOU, you've got another thing coming.