I'm wondering how ppl can act if you doesn't put on every image just only a positive comment, nope I do put my opinion too. Well i saw some images they do look very similar to another one and I wrote that image is good but it reminds me a bit on another one. I got now per IM a message to remove my comments and the question Did you lost your mind and per ICQ i got the message You IDIOT Why don't like people the opinion of other artists. I really would appreciate, if I get more critic on my images cuz that helps me to understand what I could do better. After all i removed my comments because those ppl doesn't apreciate my comments cuz the don't like to read different opinions It seems like more that only those ppl who know each other very well giving comments to images to his friends, doesn't matter if the image is good or bed. Other comments are not allowed, only if this positive.

Yeah, sorry to say this happens all too often :( Some people just can't handle critisism at all. I tell you - there are many many good artists out there who could do a lot better than what they're doing at the moment. They make similar renders after another and get the same praise for each one. I'm not saying my work is super original or anything, but at least I've never privately insulted anyone who has posted critique under my works. It's because of morons like the person who called you an idiot that you're not getting constructive criticism under your images. People don't want to say anything which might upset someone because then it causes things you just described. Keep your chin up :)

Marc, You and I've talked about this so many times. Here's my current spin on it: Some people love Constructive Criticism. (I'm one of them. Help me learn. But be positive and constructive about it.) Other people would rather have all "Happy Comments," or none at all. You find out who they are quickly. Then you don't post anything in their gallery. One problem I've found is that some people don't understand Constructive Criticism. You can tell me a particular item could be improved somehow. Give me a clue what to do for the improvement. But don't just post a negative comment such as "her clothes look lousy." Tell me what I can do to improve her clothes. That is the Positive aspect of Constructive Criticism. Ron

Ive had similar responses to some of my comments, and Ive come the conclusion that Renderosity - and the Poser Gallery in particular - is basically a mutual ego stroking society. Honest opinions are not appreciated. I like to get constructive criticism, because Im here to learn, but even asking a straight question, like "how should I do this or that", doesnt help. These are generalisations ofcourse. Fortunately there are helpful and openminded people here - they know who they are. Ive found another place to post where the feedback is more straightforward, but that doesnt change the fact that Renderosity remains one of the best sources for Poser know-how. If only more of it was shared...

We simply don't dare be honest and opinionated, lest our comments be deleted and we ourselves get sent packing. You will only see happy comments from people who are friends or who are encouraging the vendors. Audre has posted elsewhere an idea for a new moderated forum for critiqued artwork, however, one could only say nice things in it. Why bother? I don't need to have my ego stroked so badly that I only want to hear compliments, but apparently some people do. No one is going to learn how to improve unless the weaknesses in their work are held to the light for examination. Carolly

Somebody once said, "Speak the truth in love." That's what I try to do, just gently tell them what, in my opinion, can be improved upon. :) Jay

Well I don't know what you are talking about Marcabros. It was my image that you left that comment on and I never IM to tell you to remove it and I never called you an idiot. I left the message to you in my gallery (that I'm sure you saw, since you went back to remove your post) "that maybe it was similiar because we used the same character and set". You can leave your opinion on any of my images and it really doesn't matter to me one way or another. What does matter to me is how you come in here posting your lies!

Since I am the person about whom Macabros is speaking, the one who IM'd him and sent him an ICQ message, it seems only appropriate that I clarify this matter. Yesterday morning, I was the first person to post with a new free package offered by MnD Productions. Throughout the day, three other people posted images with this very same package. On each and every one of these images, Macabros left comments that were favorable regarding lighting, etc. and then closed with the same comment, worded almost indentically on each image, "but this looks like sinamin's image". Since he used my name in each and every comment, I felt that I had every right to communicate with him directly. And, since I happen to know Macabros very well, I also chose to not couch my words, the same as I would with anyone I know well. I explained to him that it seems obvious that when people are using the same set, the same character and the same props that images are going to be somewhat similar. Beyond that however, each of these images used different lighting, POV and cameras and in fact, while my image was a nude, the characters in the other images were all dressed differently, some sets had additional props and in one image, not only was the character dressed differently and posed differently, the hair was different also (in addition to the pov, camera and lighting). If Macabros had wished to say in his comments that these images looked similar to another image posted, then that is his business, when he uses my name specifically in his comments, I believe it becomes my business. I took my thoughts on the matter to him directly, because I know him very well. I did not come to a forum and whine about someone, I dealt with the individual directly. No one called Macabros an idiot in any gallery posting. I did ask him if he had lost his mind (in a private IM) as he went to every single image that used this package and made the same post about it. I did IM him on ICQ and call him an idiot, as one might call any person they know very well an idiot when they think they have done something that is very stupid. My friends have the leisure of calling me an idiot when I do something idiotic, without worrying that I am going to be offended, knowing I will recognize the veracity of their remarks and the spirit in which they were intended. I would take an offense if a stranger called me an idiot however, that is not what occured. Constructive criticism in my opinion, does not involve comparing someone's work to another person's. If you feel that you are looking at cookie cutter images, then don't comment, it's what I do. Macabros did leave positive comments on each of these images, saying they were nice in one way or another. My objection was to him saying these images looked like my image, inferring these other artists, all of whom I know, were imitating my image in some manner, when clearly, the similarities ended with the items I already mentioned. And again, he used my name in each of the comments he left, and he made the same remark on EVERY image that used this package. This isn't the first time Macabros has posted a thread bellyaching about comments on images. Neither I nor most of the artists I know feel the comments left on our images have to be positive, we do appreciate them being constructive. I've received more than my share of constructive criticism and each and every bit of it has helped me to grow as an artist. But, I fail to see how comparing one artist's work to another equates to constructive criticism, whether the purpose of that comparison is to denote similarities or differences. I hope this clarifies this situation, which was a private one and should have remained that way.

@ Rocket, how can you say I lie if you don't know the truth but now you can read this and i do not let call me an Idiot. @ Sinamin Well Sinamin if you think you know me very well, then you have to know, that nobody calls me an Idiot and you did say this to the wrong person. You has giving comments to my images also but now you don't do this anymore and now you can clarify WHY. If you like to clarify everything now you got the choice doing this. Well it isn't only my opinion that some images look very similar and the postwork too, doesn't matter if the using different hair but if i looked the pose and the rest I'm truly sorry but sometimes I think only one person postet an image under different names. If i would use the same props my images would look different very different from all the other ones. I do give contructive critic and if I think a image looks similar like other ones that is my opinion and I do have the right to say this. The biggest artist like DaVinci, VanGogh, Michaelangelo and whoever got critic to there images and they could live with this but for some reason some artists here just thinking to get positive critic. Constructive Criticm in my opinion is critic that let ppl know how I see that images and if I wouldn't say this this wouldn't be a constuctive critic. And Eowyn did say it right Some people just can't handle critisism at all.

This whole situation came into being because Sinamin was gracious enough to share a finishing action technique with some of the people on which the comments were left. Mine included. It's not unusual for many of us to share our renders prior to posting with others for critique and improvement before they are even put into the Renderosity galleries. In one way it is a compliment to Sinamin and her gift of sharing that Marcabros saw the similarity and mentioned. However, in the vein that it was written, it wasn't critism (i.e., the lighting could be improved, the figures feet are in the floor, etc.), but more an offhand remark that truly seemed inappropriate and trite.

Jumping in here kinda late, and I'm not a forum maven... BUT, hell... I'll add my two cents worth. Honesty is always desired in gallery comments. BUT... SO IS TACT! It's one thing to tell someone their image is so ugly it makes you wanna puke on your brand new reeboks... It's another to tell someone their image could be improved by changing this and working some more on that, but it's just a personal preference with you. SAME MESSAGE... just delivered constructively vs. DEstructively. My 14 yr old daughter recently had a viewer post a comment on a Bryce image in a gallery. He said, to paraphrase, "I think it's ugly." She and I talked about it, and I warned her that posting in the adult galleries was fair game, and to not take things personally. I told her that she should search his gallery images and try to get a feel for what type of art he was comparing to. Interesting thing was.... he had never posted any images. We had a good laugh over that, and went on. BUT... as an adult (not to mention a Dad) I cornered the guy and asked him if he thought his comments were'nt a little over the top. He replied that if he'd said what he really thought, she'd have been upset. Wanna know what he was really thinking???? That the textures didn't look right, that the sky didn't appeal to him, and that the image was too dark. I told him that that's EXACTLY the type of feedback she was looking for. Delivered in a factual, constructive manner. The guy never really understood, I don't think... but it makes a perfect example. And, let's not forget the good ol' Golden Rule... If you can't say something nice, keep your mouth shut and move on.

well well and this is the point. I did not wrote a bad comment and I do not shut my mouth even if I write an critic. Fact is, i wasnt rude or did say Idiot, i just wrote my opinions down and if someone can't handle the truth they better stop posting any images. Don't try to say that i'm the bad guy but if i read some comments here i guess ppl see it that way. Nope i'll write my critic or my comments like i ever did and nobody have to tell me which way i have to write my comments.

I really don't think it's a matter of telling the truth or not. It's a matter of making a statement that added nothing to the commentary about the pictures. Saying that x looks like y is kind of nonsensical considering the medium used. Basically every Poser pic looks like another Poser pic. Poser is not a modeling program, so almost everyone is going to be using somebody else's work. Vicky looks like Vicky, Posette looks like Posette, and Michael looks like Michael. Would it be fair to say that evey artist that uses Kozabura's Alice Hair looks like each other's work? No, it wouldn't. Also, keep in mind that there is obviously a language barrier here. While calling someone an idiot here in the States can be considered harmless when it's between friends, it could be a terrible insult somewhere else. Keep in mind, "idiot" is a medical term used to describe a person with an extremely low IQ. Either way, it seems like a pointless argument on both sides.

well I don't have an low ICQ and I guess that my ICQ and my knowledge is bigger then the most americans ever get. In europe we learn not to say IDIOT or something else and not to a friend either. I talked already to some americans and they couldn't understand this either. This is not about a language barrier and this is not harmless either. Not every poser image looks like the same and not every painting either. If you know to do something else every Pic can be unit.

Marcabros, ICQ is a program folks use for internet communications. Sort of an Instant Messanger type application. I think you're referring to IQ, or Intelligence Quotient, which is the ratio of tested mental age to chronological age, usually expressed as a quotient multiplied by 100. And I think Leggs was merely making a point about what one is actually saying when using the term 'idiot'. Whether the intent is to defame a person accurately by definition of the word, or a general insult, the point is that there's no need for any insult of ANY nature in gallery comments. I didn't read your comments, nor did I see the image. BUT, I have noticed that certain folks seem to have a tendency to leave derogatory posts on some pictures. I'm not accusing you of this, nor am I naming any names. Point is... as I stated earlier, there's a difference between constructive and adversarial comments. If someone wants to start a fight, a gallery comment isn't the place to do it. On a personal note, I take exception to your statement that your IQ (or even your ICQ for that matter) "is bigger then the most americans ever get". I don't know you, and I wouldn't begin to make judgements about your intelligence, but it's for sure your ego is substantially larger than most of my fellow Americans that I know. Let's hope that both your talents and your intelligence are a match.

His talents and his IQ are a match, believe me. More so than most people I have met. He did not leave any deragatory comments on those pics. I saw them. He made some very nice comments, in fact, but did point out the similarities of several other pics with a simple, "but your picture looks just like (whomever)". My 2 cents

well i can tell you what i postet as comment on those picture. I like the image it looks great but it reminds me a bit on Sinamins art. Now tell me what is wrong with this comment. I guess some ppl just like to read aaaaaahhhhhh and oooohhhh or whatever but I don't do this and those folks can't handle criticm either

Marc, I'm an American, and I'll match my ICQ or IQ with you any day. That is if I really cared about IQ numbers. In the days I was in school, the "wisdom" of the schools dictated that children shouldn't know their own IQ's. I guess they thought it would corrupt the kids. Who knows? I'm smart. You're smart. You're a darned good artist. You're better than me. But I take exception to your comment about Americans and their ICQs/IQs.

Thanks Ron for the compliments but I said most not all and this is a different. If ppl telling me an IDIOT or doeing something i guess those IQ isn't high

Fyrene, you are absolutely right...the comment left on my gallery submittal was not excessively demeaning in nature, but not exactly complimentary either. Had it been a criticism of the work and comment made about how it could have been made better then it would have been less trite in it's effect. Sinamin shared an action that gives a photogloss type effect with me and others. The situation I think arose in that Marcabros commented that it looked like Sinamin's artwork....well yes it would similar using the same room, the same character, the same props, the same lighting. The only differences for the most part would be expression and pose. The so-called problem arose in the repetition in which Marcabros left those comments on at least two other gallery submittals. This same photoshop action (which Sinamin shared with Marcabros) appears to have been used on this image at: http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=167871&Start=1&Artist=Marcabros&ByArtist=Yes It would have been demeaning to Marcabros to say that this type of effect looks like so and so's artwork. It could have been better phrased to have said "This style is similar to the style of work by ....", meaning the same thing but the reflection of tone is more positive. I am sure that most of this issue is due to the language barrier that exists, and the lack of perception of our American nuances.

ROFL now i'm laughing loud and I' still looking for those photoshop action on my image. I'm truly sorry that i'm laughing and smiling but please please tell me where on my picture do you see any photogloss because i don't use photogloss. this picture is so different from yours and your Sisters image and doesn't looks like yours. I do not use the room the pose the photoshop action and if you would open your eyes you should see that i gave my image a blur effect. If you don't know the different between blur and photogloss maybe someone can help you to explain this. :))

http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=166739&Start=1&Sectionid=0&Form.Search=sinamin http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=166997&Start=1&Artist=ryuslilangel&ByArtist=Yes http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=166810&Start=1&Artist=BluesPadawan&ByArtist=Yes http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=166881&Start=1&Artist=rockets&ByArtist=Yes the first 4 images are the art where i put a comment on and they are looking very similar because they using the same photoshop technic and now here is the image i did :)) http://www.renderosity.com/viewed.ez?galleryid=167871&Start=1&Artist=Marcabros&ByArtist=Yes Rofl very similar to all above :))If someone doesn't know the different between global lightning from poser and the photogloss technic from Photoshop, please raise the hand :))

So are you calling someone (me) a liar in saying that you never received this action or technique from Sinamin? Or have you conveniently misplaced it or removed it from your hard drive? I do very well know the differences between global lighting (not lightning) and photogloss technique (not technic). Your image is blurred yes. I didn't even make a comment on your gallery submittal, but rather did it in this forum in this thread. All I stated is that the "technique was similar". Duh! Not the image. Had I made a comment it would have been - Great composition, but the lighting seems to be coming from two different directions. You have obviously or conveniently missed the entire point of my comments posted in this thread. None of the four mentioned complained to you directly about the comments, now did we? But we do have the right to defend our opinions about the trite statement you left, and even then we didn't do that, now did we? Again, the difference in the American way of thinking and yours must be more acute that I previously thought. I didn't intend to start a flame war, and it is not meant as that, but when you infer my lack of knowledge or berate me in this presumptious manner you have assumed, the right to defend myself is valid. and your inferrance and condescending manner is not very nice at all.

ROFL you can defend yourself so much you want and who is telling you an LIAR. I do not find those word in any comment and if I said i don't used the photoshop technic on my image I don't use it like you did. You are talking about Manners. well i don't know what you understand about Manners but we never call someone IDIOT and if you think this would be a great Manner at all, well you might have them. I know the different way of American thinking and Manners and I know that there is a lot missing. Yap your sister did and she did more but this are great american Manners to call someone IDIOT because he has different opinions. Did i call someelse like that. You can leave so many comments you want on my images about what you wrote in this thread and maybe a lot ppl would start laughing :)) Have a nice Night :))

Marcabros, this is my last words on this subject. I was neither offended or upset by any comments you left on any of my images. What did offend me was you coming here and drawing out this entire thing when nobody really cares. If someone IM or ICQ'd you and called you names or whatever, that is entirely between you and that person. In my opinion, adults don't take their private conversations and disputes to public forums.

What really amazes me is the emount of time and energy wasted on this issue. Everything was said in a few brief moments. Now this entire thing has been carried over into days. The trend with Poser is often to go with "the current latest and greatest item." That's why we have so many naked Vicky in the Temple pictures, etc. Recently it's the Egyptian renders. That's the nature of the masses with Poser. That's why I'm burnt out on the galleries. It's a fact of life around here. So smile and move on. Ron