just asking about poser which one is better poser4 or pro pack and how can i creat my owne models and stuff. thanks

I'd advise starting with just Poser4 (pro pack is an addon that requires you to already have Poser4 installed). ProPack is mainly to enable Poser to work with several other rendering and modelling apps. As to how to make your own models, there are numerous free tutorials on that posted in a number of places...

Rami, Start with Poser 4, and learn the tools. While posing and animating, you will discover which parts of the body are problem areas, and why. You'll learn why everything is oriented around the hip from translation of the body in 3D space to jointing to posing. You will need ProPack for "rigging" characters (giving them bones, joints, falloff zones) and making them posable and animatable. ProPack also has a lot of nifty python scripts which will help with the workflow. For modeling, I'd suggest Carrara. It has 3 different types of modelers in it, so you can use vectors/polygons (what you usually see in game art) or metaballs, nurbs and splines for more highend work. This way, you can try the different approaches and decide which route you are more comfortable following. It is reasonably priced, too. Other folks here will swear by Ray Dream, Truespace, Animator, etc.. You can even get some of the packages as shareware to try them out. For rendering, I just got Vue 4 because you can import Poser people directly into it with textures and without fuss. I've gone from Bryce 2 to 4 in the past, and am comfortable with it, and Bryce 5 looks good. Terragen, which is free, also does nice backgrounds. No matter which tools you use, there are people in the various sections who can help you get the most from them. Carolly

thanks man .

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