Why is it that when we write comments in the gallery that are so close to the truth, the comments are deleted? If people want to post images in the gallery for the public to comment/critique, its not right for the comments to be deleted when the comments point out the inconsistencies or failures of perfection that the artist believes their images to be. The only comments that are left or allowed to stay are those that are ooooohs and aaaaaahs and ones that suck up to the artist. One of my comments under Marfornos "Say Goodbye To Mimi" was deleted so I have entered it back. I suppose mine and BrianWarners comments will be deleted again, simply because we are pointing out facts.

Well, my friend, if people post images in the gallery and enable comments, then they should be able to accept the good along with the bad. Its a shame that the comments that are not along the lines of oooooohs and aaaaahs are deleted. That seems pretty biased IMHO. My 2cents :)

Excuse me, but your comment was very rude, and non-productive. Here's a partial quote: "...I have to ask myself why your images look like a peice of crap." Now Marc, do you really need to say these things? Did you even bother to give a hint or suggestion for improvement? No. This is called Trolling in our TOS. It's against the rules. No wonder those comments were deleted. Come on Marc, when will you learn that honesty doesn't mean the ability to hurl insults? Try Constructive Criticism sometime. We talked about that in the past, but I guess it didn't do much good. I'm really sorry about that, because in so many ways you're really a nice guy. Ron

Ron, I'm very direct and I don't like to see only the aaaaas and ooos. I wrote my comment again after he got deleted and if I read Marfornos comment against me i write something too. If you read between the lines you maybe understand this :)

Just found a comment Marcabros left on one of Marfornos image "Farewell" and i see that he can and does give constructive critism. "The postwork about the cloth painting is very well, but the wings are not turned right in the position she is in. She looks stiff rather than graceful. The folds of her drape should have continued down over her breast rather than stopping just to show her breasts"

==I can put peices of garnish together on a plate and they would look much better. My art, as a beginner after 5 months, are much better than yours, and if I reach the center of my spirit and soul, then my images will be hundreds of times better than yours. I hope this comment won't be delete again. I guess you are afraid to read the truth == You consider THIS constructive????? Get real, Marcabros, whoever you are, and see this for the insult it is!

I think the idea of critism is to be constructive which yours isn't in any shape or form, as for Brians comment, who the hell does he think he is to define art??...now can you handle the truth :o)....Steve

The artist can't delete comments. To get them deleted you have to ask one of te site admins. That means not only does the artist have to be sufficiently bothered by the comment to take the trouble, but the admins have to agree the comment should be deleted. Personally, I think trolling comments say far more about the idiot making them than they do about my art - I leave them there. I like constructive criticism. I like a little ego-stroking, too, but I read every comment I get, and if someone points out a problem with an image of mine, I'm grateful for it. I know I'll never be among the best artists here, but I try. However, a comment like the one hmatienzo quoted above isn't criticism: it's a deliberate insult with no attempt to be helpful or constructive. It's a troll. If the artist wanted that removed, s/he has every right. That's uncalled for and unfair.

Listen Marc, you can be direct without insulting someone. Let me try this comparison again with you. Let's assume a woman friend of yours came back from the hair stylist. She asks "How do you like my hair?!' What do you say?! "You look like a French Poodle that got run over by a lawn mower." Or "Maybe we need to go back to that hairstylist. It looks like she made a few mistakes..." Which is the kinder way of saying your lady friend's new hairdo isn't that great?! You want to be direct. You want your lady friend to know her hair doesn't look good. But you respect and care for this woman, so you don't want to hurt her feelings. You say, very gently, that the hairdo could use some improvement. You are still being honest. You are showing you care. You are giving constructive criticism. Marc, I think it's a real copout when someone uses honesty as an excuse to insult someone. Honesty is not a weapon. You can be gentle or diplomatic without being dishonest. I really think you're intelligent enough to understand this. Perhaps you just choose not to practice Constructive Criticism?! Perhaps you have a grudge against Marforno? His work is highly regarded by many people. I don't think all or any of them are "ass kissers." I think they are people who respect his work, as I do. I respect your work too, and I'd never talk to you like you have to Marforno. I wouldn't even do that if you got me mad.

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I agree with Ron. When making comments, one (man, I wish English had a specific word for a generic "you") should remember that "a truth that's told with bad intent beats all the lies you can invent." Why is the comment being made? If it's to help the artist improve, then a direct insult is not going to encourage them to follow any advice from the insulter. To want to help someone improve, you have to care about them in some small way, and you're nice to the people you care about, right? On the other hand, if the comment's purpose is to tear someone else down, I don't care how true the technicalities of what's being said are, that's NOT constructive criticism. Look at the definition of constructive in any dictionary. It means to help build up or improve. Demolition is a whole other department. No one needs to explain how their (or someone else's) comments are or are not constructive to me (and frankly, I wouldn't give a rat's hinder if you did*, so you'd be wasting your typings). I'm talking in generalities, not specifics. At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what the artist or even the mods think of it. It's the commenter who's going to have to look at saself in the mirror. They know, deep down, what they intended with their comment, whether they're willing to admit it or not. They certainly know better than I do, so I'm not going to bother arguing. At worst, depending on my mood, I might call it as I see it, but that's just how I see it, so it really doesn't amount to much at all, does it? Um, did I have a point in all this, or am I just babbling again? You know, I'm not really sure. ^_~ I'm like that sometimes. ~She of the Eternal Contradictions *I'm not actually trying to be rude, I just had this strange, irresistable urge to say "rat's hinder" P.S. A somewhat off-topic to anyone who isn't sure if they're commentary is constructive or not and really wants to be helpful. I've always found the sandwich method works well. Sandwich the flaws you point out between two sections of good things you point out as well. It helps to know what's right as well as what's wrong so you know what NOT to mess with as well as what to fix.

Heh. Everyone else seems pretty verbose here, so I'll try to illicit my opinion with brevity. Honesty implies objectivity. When one makes a truthful comment from a subjective paradigm, it's not honest, because that person holds bias to the facts. Regards, Paul

honest critique is very welcome but outright rudeness or crass remarks are not... all in one's point of view.

i wanted to share a comment I received on an image that is now in the photography hotlist right now.... Yellow Rose ihs97: cool obligatory macro flower shot....I hope you got that out of your system now cuz thats about as good as it gets with macro flower shots. Bravo.

Is that a handprint I see on your backside? Well, at least you got a (backhanded) compliment out of it.

Oh. Now i see that Marcabros got banned from Renderosity because of his truthfulness and honesty. Guess just some people cant take the truth when its open criticism. The point to all of this is that you cannot get better if you only get oooooh's and aaaaaaah's. The truth that Marcobros was trying to get across to all of you wasnt done with bad intent, but was done with complete honesty without the sugar coating. You should all wake up and look with better eyes!!!

Where did you see that, jo-jo? Regards, Paul P.S.: Sugar coating has nothing to do with it. You're more than welcome to cast my work or anyone else's in a negative light, so long as it's done in a way that can help them improve, rather than simply abusing someone else's work for whatever reason.

Where did I see that Marcabros got banned?? Certainly not here as they dont publicly announce it anymore. I happen to be a very good friend of his and found out he was banned today. Such a shame that Rosity bans people who only speak the truth and dont leave sugar coated comments on images that dont deserve it!!

Hrm. Somehow I doubt that that's the case. More likely he was banned for trolling or personal attacks. I'm sorry your friend got banned, but let's let responsibility fall where it belongs, ok? Paul

I found a few weeks ago that, if a (member who is not the artist) puts a comment on a gallery picture, and then he puts another comment on the same picture, his previous comment is automatically deleted. Only the artist can put more than one comment on the same picture, so that he can answer comments and queries.

No. Marcabros doesnt troll or personally attack people. He just leaves his truthful comments and critiques on images. Check the galleries. He comments on a lot of images, not just Marfornos. It just seems Marforno cannot take the truthful comments Marcabros leaves and only wants ooooooh's and ahhhhhhs. All that is left now in Marfornos galleries are the sugar coated comments. Go check it out yourself. It's a shame that Ro'sity bans people who only speak the truth. Its a shame too that the Poser Gallery gets more and more pornographic type images. 3DCommune is a great place to be as they have a stict TOS that doesnt allow pornogrphic images or nude images showing children. Rosity is getting to be more like a Rotica Look at the image "Souvenir" by Marforno. Read some of the comments that the others left in this image. All sugar coated. Look at that image, no separation in the legs on the model to the right. Its blended very badly. The mouth on the middle one is horrible, therefore the comment about being able to eat asparagus sideways!! So why dont they see that??

If he cant take the heat, then he shouldnt post or allow comments. Just my 2 cents :))

trolling is indeed a violation of the TOS. the comment section of an image in our gallery is for CONSTRUCTIVE feedback. constructive does not imply that you like an image. however, wether you like an image or not does not give you permission to attack another member. thanks audre

jo-jo, I'm not posting here to argue with Malfornos or you, if indeed you are two different people. The comments in question were belligerent. If the comments were deleted and he was warned, then replacing the comments was simply asking for trouble. Btw, I notice you don't have a gallery at rosity, and you seem to know an awful lot about what "Marcabros was thinking." Just a note: If you are Marcabros, and you were suspended for 7 days ( which is standard ), then sneaking back under another nick to continue an argument that has already been evaluated and ruled upon is unwise. Regards, Paul

Hey, hey people please ! Come on ! Comments and marks ? What are we in high school ? Do we need comments and marks to know that we are good artists ? Feeling insecure about how brilliant artists we are ? Do we need ass kissers for this ? In this community full of growing up people refusing to accept they are not kids anymore, if you have a big bunch of friends around you then you will have a big bunch of comments and viewings too because friend are used to kiss asses, right ? So this is the rule here : " You kiss my ass, I'll kiss yours" Haven't you get tired of kissing any mediocre artist's ass just because he is among the popular kids here ? Now, about Mr. Marforno, "the man of the day", because it looks he is the subject of our pathetic discussion. Let's get serious people ! Licking a gun doesn't mean art, it is disgusting. The image is repulsive and I am sure many of the people here are disgusted by that "amazing piece of art" You can't even hit the nudity box for such an image but it is worst than any nude pic I have ever seen here. So today she licks a gun, what is she gonna lick tomorrow ? hehehehe Now, are we done here ?

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this thread is going nowhere... you are arguing about comments that the administration here felt violated the TOS. i am sorry you disagree. however, this is what the staff felt, the comments were deleted. any further contention about this issue should be taken up with admin@renderosity.com via email. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ if you've any quesitons about acceptable conduct here, please review the TOS. if, after reading the TOS, you still have any questions feel free to contact any one of the mods or admins and they will be happy to explain. thanks