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I think it is real darn close. Not completely comfortable with the look of the wolf though for some reason. Posted you some thoughts on it. Peace, Morgan

had a look too & I agree with Morgan the wolf don't look quite right, it looks too much alive to be dead, very nice picture tho. Rob

That was it precisely, Rob. Not that I would want to see it looking like bloated roadkill or anything nasty like that, but it just appeared to be more like it was rolling over to get its tummy scratched. I definitely want to see that pic when it's all done though; it has a lot of potential. Morgan

eyes rolled back into the head and tongue hanging out the side of the mouth, plus looking a bit emaciated like you said would do it. Rob

definitely...I must say though, for the benefit of the artist if listening, that if I were the envious sort I would be extremely envious of the skill that created the main figure Morgan

absolutely, very well made. I'm jealous as hell, I wish I had some of chohole's talent. Rob

oh my gosh, that is one beautiful picture, thank you so much for sharing that....what a beauty...Sharen

Excellent image. In all honesty, I don't agree with the romantic view of the amerindian lifestyle (or any other primitive lifestyle), but you make your point in a very, very moving way. Technically, I'd make two, perhaps three changes : o White out / close the wolf's eyes. o Put the man fully on his knees (both knees on the ground) or fully on his feet, although crouching/slouching. The pic indicates stillness and afterthought, and his position would be unbearable for more than a few seconds. o Select all of the area around the man's outline, and soften slightly, to integrate better with the background. Hope you find this useful - and thanx for the experience.

Amazing... and that wolf looks dead to me. Maby some shadows under it?

If the wolf just died he wouldn't be ematiated, and his eye would probably be staring straight ahead. He looks dead to me, you caught the look of the broken neck on him, when people and animals die they usually have no muscle control to their neck, and you caught that. I like it. I have to agree though that the man needs a different position. I think the pic is great though, shows a lot of talent. Marque

check the area around the sun/moon. It could blend a little more. otherwise exellent.

Disagree whith some of the blending issues (respectfully). With this sort of image, I want some rough edges. This is sooooo! good. My eye latches to the human head and I feel the pain. Great work. Q

Pam, You've done well. VERY well. When I saw your first image, my gut reaction was dead wolf. However, because of the questions raised here, I consulted my loacal "dead animal expert" (Heather did science fair projects involving taxidermy and is quite well acquainted with the way dead things look and smell). Definately dead. She pointed out the same issue raised by Marque: the wrong angle of the neck. She also commented upon the lovely handling of the fur and the weird lighting during eclipses. The Indian's position is uncomfortable, because he is caught in the act of turning away. I don't think you wanted him, or us, to be comfortable with this scene. Technically, we can nudge it closer to perfection, but we'd be in danger of killing the mood through over-refinement. I don't track gallery postings, but based upon what you've posted in the threads, this is a major step up. {hug} Carolly

Beautiful composition. Carolly said it well. "Caught in the act of turning away". I knew I had experienced this feeling before. Picasso's Tauromachie, the 3 philosophers who turn away and don't seem to notice the carnage. Wow!!! That's so great. Thanks Pam and Carolly for this memory. Keep up the great work. I certainly will be looking for more. Q

I like the image. I agree a bit with the wolf discussion. It's hard, I think, to accomplish the posing of a dead wolf and evoke a sad feeling from the viewers. I, instead, dwealt more on the message that the technical, so I apologize for not being able to offer more thoughts along that line. Not that I have the artistic or technical ability anyway. The only thing I would have suggested is a change of fonts in the "subtitle". Although it is certainly a matter of personal preference, I think a "thinner" more artistic font might work better. And make sure PinkLips/Lakota knows about it. I know she is a "sister in art" with you. Nice thoughtful piece. One side note: My 10th grade history teacher taught us what really happened to the native Americans. Even in 1967, before it became fashionable to tell the truth about what had been done to them, he gave us our history lessons, and on at least two ocassions, started crying and had to leave the classroom. I will never forget him because of that passion he displayed...in a suburb of Columbus, Ohio (a state deriving its name from native Americans) called Whitehall.

I really like it. And I AM the envious type...:) Beav

chohole: That is the best Native American I've seen in the gallery. Most tend to look like white guys playing Indian. The position would be no problem for the Lakota. They could stay in one position for hours. Since I'm typical American with mixed blood,(English,Irish too) I'm Jewish but my GrandFather was 1/2 Lakota. So I've studied the Lakota old ways for years. Which I respect and believe in. I love your picture. Mitakuye Oyasin; Leah (Turtle) name was given to me by very good NA. friend's)

When I found my shepard/trickster dog Grace lying by the side of the road, dead by a car in the middle of the night I didn't turn away, but I felt like that.

I can only say thankyou to all who have taken the trouble to view the image and comment on it. All comments taken on board, and although I do not intend to change this image (except maybe change the font (point taken there) I will use the constructive comments when working on my next image. Hopefully there will be a next one, I am waiting for inspiration to strike.