I like the Idea, zoom in just a little on the porthole...reason being: there is less subject matter on this side of the porthole and with a wider view of the other side, now you have quite a bit to look at and the perspective adds a sense of realism. Also, darken,darken. this is "THE ABYSS", it's scareeeeee down there,COLD & DARK. Great job with the texture mix too. Have fun Rod

It's quite a nice scene. Don't know about it not being dark enough - perhaps it's a shallow abyss ;) The lighting could be softer and more diffuse though - it looks like it's sunny. The metal texture's cool - is it a JPG?

Main Entry: abyss Pronunciation: &-'bis, a- also 'a-(")bis Function: noun Etymology: Middle English abissus, from Late Latin abyssus, from Greek abyssos, from abyssos, adjective, bottomless, from a- + byssos depth; perhaps akin to Greek bathys deep Date: 14th century 1 : the bottomless gulf, pit, or chaos of the old cosmogonies 2 a : an immeasurably deep gulf or great space b : intellectual or moral depths

Even immeasurably deep gulfs have to start somewhere. I guess this one starts right up near the surface ;) Anyway, if a gulf is "bottomless" how would you know it was a gulf and not a gap? Sorry for talking crap on your thread, cziii :)

Great suggestions and comments all. Off the subject, I love this forum since the people here seem to want to help, not compete (even with the challenges). Was torn between this pic and another. I'll post it for reference. I got caught up in doing an underwater scene, not necessarily an "Abyss" scene - good second point from ICMgraphics. This second pic (see next post) I completed first, then made the porthole in hopes of capturing the feeling of an abyss. In the porthole scene, it is merely a 2d pic behind the porthole. You can tell me which is more relevant, if you'd like. To Tuttle - the big metal texture on the "wall" is a jpg, but started life as a digital picture of an outside oil tank - like you would see outside of an ill-kept mobile home - with some cropping and playing in PhotoPaint. The pipe is something of the same. All the others are Bryce material presets. If you would like the jpg, let me know and I'll ship it over to you. Thanks again to all for the input.

Sorry tuttle If my response seemed ubrupt. Okay you've got me convinced, I 'll buy the car. :) cziii, My apologies for steppin all over your entry string. 2nd pic is great. Rod

Suggestion: How about some bubbles? Remember bubbles? I'm sure fish produce bubbles or is that just seaweed? Nice idea - nice render/s Regards The Bryster (Chris)

The steam must be from the water heater for the tropical fish. Wow! There's a ship in this (fish)tank. SHONNER http://www.shonner.com

"Fish don't make bubbles because they breathe water" They don't. They breathe air. They just filter it from the water. ;)))) I know that's what you meant, I'm being daft, but not long ago I worked in a nuclear installation where they had huge ponds with radiactive flasks at the bottom. The water in those ponds is de-oxygenated so if you stick a fish in, it'll drown. Nothing floats in them, either, and if you were daft enough to try and swim in them (!!!!) you'd sink straight to the bottom.

Yeh! BUT.....plants and rotting debris produces methane which BUBBLES up to the surface..... Regards The Bryster (Chris)

Love the latest image. Bubbles: OK...so what about cavitation? A propellor revolving at too high revolutions disturbs the water and bubbles are created. So too with fish agitating the water.... Besides...I like bubbles. The Bryster

I like the bubbles!!! Regards The Bryster (Chris)