"CL need to make sure producers of product for Poser content can still make content to further the value of Poser, but at the same time they need to protect themselves against any unseen competitor that might arise. Yet with as ambigious as the new EULA is, I would be very wary of approaching CL if I was creating a helper program, such as Morph Manager or The Tailor."

So what does this mean for someone who already has bought Tailor or Morph Manager? If you create something with these helpers, will that be a no no. It seems to me if people come up with these kinds of helpers becasue they help and the CL EULA says they can't do this anymore, won't that stifle new and useful stuff that will make Poser more desirable? Why would this be a bad thing? Help me understand this please.

Simple answer: CL has stated over and over that the intention of the EULA is NOT to prevent 3rd parties from creating Poser content or Poser helper apps. I firmly BELIEVE them, and I am certain that if the authors of Morph Manager and the Tailor would write to CL and ask them for a letter stating that their products are acceptable under the EULA, CL would be happy to oblige. If they do not, then we can all raise bloody hell, and DAZ and the author of the Tailor can take CL to court over lost revenues to challenge the EULA. ;) I am not the sort of person to say "trust in Curious." I'm not a flag waver for them, and I believe they can do wrong things like anyone. But in this case, folks, give them the benefit of the doubt. Ask them to approve, specifically, officially, in writing, all of the currently existing helper apps. They don't want to over-clarify for us in general terms because what if they slip up... you know how much we analize every pearl that falls from their lips... they could use one wrong syllable and give away something that they wanted to keep. Let them address it on a case by case basis. Their intention is to prevent competitors from using CL's own creation to steal customers away from CL. That is their only intention. The Tailor does not compete with Poser. Neither does Morph Manager. And until we ask them specifically, not generally, then all this is rhetoric. Phoenix

"But in this case, folks, give them the benefit of the doubt. Ask them to approve, specifically, officially, in writing, all of the currently existing helper apps."

This is what I asked for in post no. 5. I have no problem with CL saying you can use this helper but not this one...or if you use this one this is the restriction. As for doing it on a case by case basis...I don't want to contact CL for each and every helper or whatever else is questionable when I want to purchase or use it. I would think, if they did want this kind of communication they'll be swamped with everyone's questions. So, as you stated...putting it in writing would solve a lot of confusion and headaches. It may take some time and effort on CL's part, as I don't know what all out is out there that CL may have a problem with, but I would like to see a page you can go to at CL that lists all the helpers or whatever else they need to specify and that page say yea or nay or list the terms of use. It should be an udateable page as new things come out. I have no idea if this is doable or not. But it is a suggestion. Any more practical resolutions would be appreciated.

The potential problem is for the creators of the 3rd party apps. They are the ones who need approval, not the users. The user of (for example) Tailor could not be in violation of P5's EULA because what the end users are doing could in no way be construed to compete with the Poser product, nor even "reverse engineering" a CR2. If CL disagrees with this, I volunteer to be their test case in court and see if they can make it hold up. ;) Phoenix

Phoenix...this is the kind of specific information that I need to hear. Thanks. I honestly would not have figured this out as I'm not one to think things out in legal terms. I'm an artist and all I think about is creating. Why couldn't CL make it that clear. If they did, do-do me, it went over my head. Thanks again.

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