i seen lightwave and wavefront and i saw some file formats similer to bryce5 file formats is this what i'm seeing are these two programs compatible in anyway with bryce5 and is it possible to import bryce4 stuff into bryce5.

yes you can import bryce4 into bryce5, and bryce supports the following formats: TrueSpace (.cob) Versions up to 4.0 are supported. Material properties are supported. VideoScape (.vsa) All versions are fully supported. VRML1 (.wrl) Imports all properties relevant to Bryce, including camera, light, and surface and material textures. LightWave (.lwo or .lws) Both objects and scenes are supported. The camera, lights, and all objects (with material information) are imported. Versions 6 and up are not supported. Heightfield (.hf) Used to import descriptions of heightfields (terrains). USGS DEM (.dem) All forms of DEM files are supported. USGS SDTS (.ddf) This format is the new USGS format which will replace DEM files. Portable Greyscale Map (.pgm) Used to import descriptions of heightfields (terrains). 3d Studio Objects (.3ds) 3DMF (.3mf) AutoCad (.dfx) Direct 3D (.x) Wavefront (.obj) WCS Elev (.elev) WorldToolKit (.nff)

ok i thought you said that bryce5 supports the following formats LightWave (.lwo or .lws),3d Studio Objects (.3ds) and Wavefront (.obj)i tried to import them but it won't work or is it somthing i'm doing wrong whats the easyiest way to import these files.

I don't know about .lwo but I do know it imports .3ds and .obj. Just go to the file menu and select "import object...". Unless there is something wrong with the model it should import ok. What message are you getting when trying to import? I just looked and .lwo is listed but I've never tried importing one.

lws and lwo files should import fine, make sure you are doing file import nd not from the presets. In the presets menu is where you load bryce .obp files, and nothing else.

your right i was trying from the prestes menu no problems not thanks all