By the way, that render took 40 seconds. --jjsemp

I'm afraid to ask what the render time is after you throw some dynamic hair and clothes with collision detection in the pot. My 'puter stinks because I can only have 2 RAM slots. OK, time to look into the 2 Gig ram sticks, they do have them availble don't they?

It only takes my machine about 5 seconds to render the default. I have an Athlon 1.4 GB and 1 GB ram. That is using the production render settings. I've confirmed (as someone else did in a post above) that the draft render options in firefly cause missing polys. So far it seems like strand-based hair adds the most to render times. Cloth will not add much to rendr times if anything, because the dynamics are not calculated at render time, and it's the calculation that takes long. And so far I can't do anything with it but drop a piece of cloth onto a box. :) Phoenix

Farang, I've only been able to find 1 gig ram sticks... if you can find them, please let me know where!! Jack

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"It only takes my machine about 5 seconds to render the default." In my render above, I turned on all the Firefly options. When I said "default" I meant that he was in the default position with the default lights. Firefly draft render doesn't include all options turned on. --jjsemp

"I have an Athlon 1.4 GB..." Phoenixamon, I assume you mean that you have an Athlon 1.4 Ghz. There is no such thing as an Athlon 1.4 GB. An Athlon 1600 (which is what I have) is the same as an Athlon 1.4 Ghz. We have the same CPU. --jjsemp

Thanks Brian, my HP can handle them... hell, I remember when having two megs was allot of memory!! LOL... my how times change!! Jack

Yeah, and I still remember when 64 kilobytes was a lot! Boy, those were the days... ;) Brian

You mean the day has arrived where we need more than 64K? Bill Gates lied dang it.... :) Tom

LOL! Yeah... Athon 1.4 gigasumpin' and I built it. I just can type.... er... that is think straight today. My art brain is on and my tech brain is sleeping. That's my excuse and... ;) When I said 5 seconds, I was refering to the production render settngs, whatever they are. I don't think they have everything turned on, though, but more than the draft render. But the reson I posted before... Damn draft render settings leave chunks out of the meshes and I don't like it one bit. Phoenix

This image has 8 lights and a background, but half the lights aren't showing up, nor the background, nor parts of the dragons' wings. The dragon laying on the ground looks like his wings were shredded, but they're whole in the final, production mode render. The "P4" renders are just fine.

Hmm. The membranes on the dragon wings are one sided. It looks like the reflection is not depicting the backside of those polygons.... Is there a setting option for that? If not, I hope they fix that. Could be a major shortcoming.... :( Dang, I wish mine would get here. Why did I select Ground delivery? Dang, I hope my system will run P5.... I only have a 950 mhz processor and 512 MB of RAM.... (Can you see the cartoon sweat drops flying from my forehead?)