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This is awesome. I also think it was great of you to point out that this was a uniform pre terror, that was very respectful.

It's a very impressive piece of work you've done. Just one grammatical tip: the word "begun" in English is the past participle of the verb "to begin", so it has to be preceded by an auxiliary verb like "had", "has", etc. For example, before the terror began, before the terror had begun, before the terror will begin again, etc. I have a feeling there will be alot of pressure on you to pull this item, especially in view of the new anti-American nationalism in Germany. So there may be some controversy ahead. But don't let it discourage you from continuing your fine modelling work.

Mateo.. once you type all day long.. you're bound to make a few mistypos.. in fact..lots! ;) However, once those are made on a jpg where objects have already been combined with the background.. kind of late to proceed with changes! hehe! After all.. I still have my great excuse of not being English or American but Greek.. and though my grammar is perfectly up to date, I indulge myself in allowing me some mistakes in the flow of my thoughts.. (how many times have I typed "leave" instead of "live" and so many more).. LOL Rena

Looks great, rena! Hehe, nearly every thread here has grammatical errors of some kind... Sum peeple cant spel the eaziest wurds. :)

rena - your English is a heck of a lot better than a lot of native English speakers I know, so don't stress over a typo here and there! Thanks for the outfit!

Oh..I'm not stressed at all Crescent! :) In fact.. I do type better than steve.. and he IS an englishman! LOL (Common knowledge Poserworld joke BUT true!) hehehe! Rena

mateo - don't want to start a flame war here, but you should really inform yourself before you set such ignorant remarks like "anti-american nationalism" - which, in itself, as a nonsense. it's either nationalism or it's anti-american politics - none of which is true.

as a nonsense = IS a nonsense

WOW. Rena/Steve, this is great!!!!! Many profuse thanks! ("we are not worthy we are not worthy")

Rena - Steve : that's is just great !! Thanks ! Now..where's Indy ? :)

Hmm ... First: Rena, Steve - this looks great ... and myself as a German being - well I'm not offended - I have learnt much about this time to evolve my own thoughts about it ... and view it only from the art-pov. Second (the not so easy and funny part of this post): To quote your words Mateo: -- I have a feeling there will be alot of pressure on you to pull this item, especially in view of the new anti-American nationalism in Germany. So there may be some controversy ahead. But don't let it discourage you from continuing your fine modelling work. -- Anti-American nationalism !!!! Hey, are you living in Germany to prejudice about a whole country in general ?? Here in Germany the word 'nationalism' has a verrry strong meaning. To use it might be considered carefully. Another thing is: I don't think the will not to participate in a war that if it is started one day is Anti-american. I and everyone should have his/her own thoughts about the reasonability of this war. But it should not be like "If you don't join us - you're our enemy !" The United States are not the ones who rule the whole world. Starting a war is not something that should be easily taken ... there have to be reasons to start a war. But well - if we are going to discuss this here and on this place we're way off-topic from this post. I just wanted to remind there is NOT an Anti-american nationalism going on in Germany and I hope (sorry, I'm not living in the US) not everyone in the US is thinking here in Germany we are Anti-American. Rena, Steve: Sorry - for that post ... but I can't leave such words standing alone in the room Mateo: Please excuse my english - I didn't try to be unfriendly ... But I also tried to be clear Happy posing Schlabber

Well, y'know, down in Texhas, whar I'm frum, we don' have no problems at all about words lik "begun" stead of anythin' else. If it gets the job dun, it gets the job dun.

Schlabber - you don't agree that we Americans have the right to shove every last one of our whims down your throat? ;-) On a serious, OT note, sometimes it's not clear when sentiment is against a government or against a people. Yeah, we're horrible about admitting when we do something wrong, but sometimes it seems like others have a problem admitting when we do something right. I think most people here realize that some of the posturing during the German elections was just politicians taking cheap shots at the U.S. to get elected, not reflecting some huge anti-American hatred. And, despite what Bush thinks, disagreeing with U.S. foreign policies does NOT make someone anti-American. There are still people who are skitterish about Nazi items, and we've got enough idiots on this side of the Atlantic who want to fulfill the Nazi agenda, so if there's a few people who get offended, I won't be surprised and won't totally blame them. It's nothing against the German people. Happy posing to you, too! :-)

Another thing is: I don't think the will not to participate in a war that if it is started one day is Anti-american. I and everyone should have his/her own thoughts about the reasonability of this war. But it should not be like "If you don't join us - you're our enemy !" for some reason, this made me cry. i just wish my adopted america would resume business as usual. 9-11 happened. so, let's just get on the ball in our own country and prevent something like it from ever happening again. i am selfish. i want my free happy pre 9-11 life back. i want more money in my pocket, and, less time away from home. i want the french to come back to our town with their money. i want folks to fly again. i want not so much fear on our news casts. my president...who i did not vote for...AND, i live in florida, so my vote was probably a pregger chad....my president wants a war with iraq. and, i think he may be lying to the public about stuff.

Rena, great job as usual :) And thanks for historical note. Now personally - I'm planning on removing the insignia and turning him into one of Darth Vader's generals :) The uniform is cut right, I beleieve. Thanks! Lyrra

Wow! The pants are perfect for Polo! Thanks Steve and Rena! This is one reason why a subscripton to Poserworld is my favorite gift to give friends in PoserLand.

1. This item should not be pulled! It is a valid historical uniform regardless of ANYONE's opinions or politics. (that and it will work for other uniforms with a different texture) 2. Drop the flames please, it's getting a little tiring. flaming of this sort will hinder creators from offering items for fear that they will offend someone. 3. ATTENTION Rena & steve the .zip loads the .cr2 into the props section (I just moved it where it needs to go, but some of the newbies might have problems) 4. This item has made many military buff poser users very happy, great job.

Great uniform, though I think you've got to get your story straight:

The SS (Schutz Staffel = Security Forces) were established somewhere in the 1930ties by Heinrich Himmler (later well known as the inventor of the gaschambers) as THE elite security forces of Hitler. Young boys from the Hitler Jugend (Hitler Youth), a very millitaristic kind of boys and girls scouts organisation (alleged holliday camps), were recruted to join the SS. A few citeria: Blond, fanatic, blindly following orders and the capacity to lead. Only the best made it into the SS. The SS uniform was (and always has been) black with the skull on their cap and the SS sign (in rune) on the shoulder pad. In those days (1935-36) anti-semitism was already very widespread, 1000nds of jewish families were already sent to recovery camps where they would be taken good care of. Camps led by, you guessed it, Hitlers SS. Plans for the final solution to the jewish problem (Endlung der Judenfrage) were already under development (if not finished).
So, there has never been any pre WW2 unawareness within the SS of what was about to take place, they knew war was underway, in fact, less than 2 years later, in 1938, the War began for Europe with Hitlers troops barging into Poland...

Personally I am not offended in any way by any uniform, but living in the Netherlands, I do know (and understand) that addressing the SS and the likes is just (still) as painfull for a lot of Europeans as talking favourably about Bin Laden today is for Americans. And mind you, within my parents and grantparents generation, there is NO single family in Europe that doesnt suffer from some kind of WW2 horror, this goes for Germans as well.

Finally I think that you got the SS mixed up with the Wehrmacht (German army) or the SA (Schutz Abteilung = Security Division) of the German Army in those days. They indeed wore olive colors, but without the runes and the skull.
BTW, the runes, as well as the ancient mystical swastika sign (now still bitterly hated by most people in EU) were directly stolen from the mideval druids, solely for propaganda purposes. The Nazis needed symbols and signs to unite people, but also to distinguish them from other people, they even created false excavation sites to provide proof of the German heritage.

Theres a lot more to tell, but that would be way off topic, so Ill leave it at this. I hope to have given you a bit of insight, not intending to offend or rant anyone.

Cheers
MaxxArcher

The officer depicted is wearing an Iron Cross which was a field award (thus must be a battle award from WW1) and a Ritter Kreutz (Knights Cross worn at the throat) which, if memory serves me was, the highest WW2 field award of the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe, Panzer Truppen, Kriegsmarine and the SS. In addition the uniform colour is more akin to the pre-war SA (Sturm Abteilung-Brownshirts) lead by Earnst Rohm which was eliminated in the pre-war period during the "night of the long knives" 1936?. Apologies if some of the details are a little hazy as it has been a long time since I studied this stuff. I cannot remember seeing the coloured stripe above the left jacket pocket on any picture of a German uniform of the period, it is more akin to US and UK uniforms. Otherwise a fine model which I look forward to trying out. Regards SRORM

"I cannot remember seeing the coloured stripe above the left jacket pocket on any picture of a German uniform of the period." Should read I cannot remember seeing the coloured stripe above the left jacket pocket on any picture of a German uniform of the pre-war period. Regards STORM

I have always thought the SS uniform cut in this manner was black. As for the SA (Sturm Abteilung) "storm troopers" named after the specially trained front line soldiers who used stealth, cover and concealment, and close combat to defeat the lethal effects of grazing machinegun fire and shell fragments. The Nazi SA was not a part of the German Army. It was their demand to be a part of the Army that triggered the "Night of the Long Knives" in which the SS arrested the SA leaders and shot them down. This was Hitler's way of dealing with those who put him in power and wanted their reward ... a more "socialist" division of the spoils. The SS was originally Hitlers personal bodyguard, as much to protect himself against the SA,as against the other nationalist para military groups, the socialist red guards, and the communists. The SS became the armed forces of the Nazi Party, not the Army, and as such maintained a separate existence, uniforms, tactics, in what was called the Waffen SS. Originally the SS was restricted to pure "Aryans" who had no physical faults including cavities in their teeth. As the needs for more manpower grew in wartime, the SS became the umbrella organization for foreign volunteers serving as a part of the SS command structure. There were Dutch, Danish, Norwegian, Latvian, Lithuanian, Bosnian, Italian, French, Cossack and even Indian SS units ... some recruited from PW camps. Some of these units fought to the last man in the final Battle of Berlin, particularly the Charlemagne (French) Division and the Viking Division. A separate structure of the SS, strickly not part of the Waffen SS were those who ran the death camps. These units included Ukrainians, Latvians, and other eastern european anti jewish elements. The Waffen SS was trained in a manner which stressed comradeship, cooperation, and in a manner far more laid back than is depicted in modern film. This is consistent with other elite forces of the world, historically. The fought courageously and often to the last. German Army forces with SS on the flanks felt more secure. Their ferocity in combat was sadly coupled with a ferocity against the innocent and have set the standard for evil only rivaled by the Turkish Janissaries and the NKVD. The SS insignia and uniforms were the sexiest uniforms devised since the Napoleonic Era and have evoked a lot of emulation and false militarism. They were unqualified bastards, and it would be refreshing to match these models with those of the forces that eventually crushed them ... such as the scruffy troops known as GI Joe ... and his allied buddies.

Not to mention the two Cossack Divisions, the Croats, the small British unit (approx 50 strong from POW volunteers) the Russian units under General Vukovar something?? (name evades me)and a pretty nasty Penal battalion (Dirlwanger?). In addition to Black the uniform was often made in Field Grey which was worn under combat fatigues in battle conditions. For field troops field grey was the norm with black being reserved for formal occasions and duty behind front lines. Officers (as in many armies) often had their uniforms tailored so some deviation in cut occurs. Regards STORN

Jesus... what a thread to wake up in the morning! LOL Boys.. gals.. this is just a freebie! In fact one with some flows, I NEVER expected to raise such contraversy! LOL Lyrra, it will be easy to remove the insignia, the item is multi materials assigned and reading that polo idea, I'm glad I seperated the suit in jacket and pants so they can be used separetely as well! :) Hey, just hide and show whatever you wish for your poser renders and forget what the item is called.. OK? :) MaxxArcher, I'm not army expert, the model was created identical to photo references I can show up here if you wish! :) Huolong, the black uniform of SS is wearing a tie and shirt, (I have photo references of that one too).. it's not with a closed collar! :) So let's give up on this (Personally, I hate politics for a very good reason: because to my opinion.. all it's good for is just to divide people in groups and makes them argue -if only they'd stop to think in most cases they just serve hidden motivation they're not aware of) and let's concentrate on what UNITES us all here.. Poser! :) Rena

General A.A. Vlasov's Russian National Army wasn't part of the Waffen SS, but there were many Russian units, "Hiwi's"m that filled logistic and rear area security functions with the German Army per se. The British who took the surrender of many of these Russian units turned them over to the Soviets at the end of the war. Many committed suicide ... including wives and kids ... in the trucks rather than face the tender mercies of the NKVD ... who gunned down the survivors anyway.

Vucovar? You mean General Vlasov. It wasn't Cossack division though. This particular uniform is Waffen-SS I believe. There were many different colors and styles including white summer uniforms.

I guess I have to make one more comment in public... Steve, once you're back and you read this.. DON'T dare to ask we make another army uniform EVER again! VL grin Rena

Rena ... the comments are testament to the selection of an interesting subject ... keep it up.

I will Huolong.. but only when the ex-RAF army expert is back and not away for the weekend, so he can do the posts himself! LOL Rena

I was always told If you want to keep friends, never discuss religion and politics. That said, great outfit, over to download it next. Great possibilities with retexing it to fit several different ideas.

real friends can talk about everything.

I totally agree aleks.. but in much smaller groups.. of two or three the most at a time! LOL Rena

:-)

Rena: That looks spectacular!! I for one, love it. I'd love to see some WWII era German (and other) uniforms. Any chance we'll see some of those in the near future (either free or for sale) ? -Tim

Rena: One thing occured to me after I re-read your original post ...

I'd say you could have avoided a lot of politically-charged posts and flames (although so far, this is relatively tame) if you had simply, more or less, stated something like "Here is a pre-WWII German officer's uniform. Enjoy, it's free!" 'Nuff said.

Instead you went on to electrify it with "before the nightmare begun" and basically apologize for posting a potentially offensive image/product. In this day and age, you're likely to offend someone with just about anything. If they don't like it they don't have to continue looking at it, and certainly don't have to download or buy it.

I would definitely recommend not taking an apologetic or hyper-cautionary approach to posting your freebies OR products in the future. (i.e. Create whatever in the heck moves you to do so!) If someone has a problem with, as one member put it, historically accurate items (be they clothing, props, characters, etc.) ... then so be it, they have bigger issues than just Poser clothing objections.

Again, terrific work.

-Tim

Thanks for the correction Huolong. You are right. Sorry but it was around 3 AM here when I was posting and my brain stops functioning properly at that time (I even spelt my Nick wrong! ;0) ) Long before I got involved in computers, I was big into military modelling and wargaming (started nearly 30 years ago). There is an almost obsessive attention to detail amongst the modellers and their circles that research their creations to the nth degree. I remember seeing one well-known modeller being completely slated ina miltary modelling magazine because the thread colour on the uniform of a 1/12th scale model of a WW2 figure was slightly off the proper shade. Since computers, I have done little in the modelling area and my memory of the detail fails a little (e.g. Vlasov). Many figure builders are now turning to 3D as a new way of modelling. From their point of view, the correct detail is everything. Some of them are in involved in publication of images for specialist military uniform reference guides and research on uniforms, costume and armour. Accuracy is an absolute must in such circumstances and they tend to be very critical of failings in this area. It is a minefield with lots of snipers. WW2 uniforms tend to attract even more than the usual criticism as regards the accuracy thing; something to do with the amount of published information and the passions, which run high. Huolong were/are you into plastic/resin/metal figure/vehicle modelling or wargaming? You sound like you were/are. timoteo1 I totally agree. Depictions of or interest in historical military equipment has nothing to do with politics, it is another aspect of historical research and should not be attacked because of its subject matter. Regards STORM

I am an American living in Germany, and from my perspective, "anti-American nationalism" does not exist. I have lived here for some years and have NEVER seen a manifestation of it. Also, as Schlabber so correctly points out, Nationalism is not a term that is ever lightly used in Germany. Don't believe everything you hear in the American media. I can tell you that you don't always get the full story, especially as regards events in Europe. I am constantly amazed by the way things are hushed up and/or twisted in the US media. That said, Rena and Steve, you have produced a stunning historical costume. Thank you very much for your generosity.

I am also from Germany and I agree with Schlabber and sparrowheart that there's no anti-american nationalism in Germany (at least not in my neighbourhood). This whole story came up because of some foolish politician from the eastern part of Germany. The result is that she won't have any political function in the future and I am really happy about that.

I downloaded it its a great freebie!!! hopefully ill get a nice $$$GIG$$ doing an animation for the history channel on Military history Thanks !!! -wolf359 founding member of "the 12 animators"-

"it will be easy to remove the insignia, the item is multi materials assigned and reading that polo idea, I'm glad I seperated the suit in jacket and pants so they can be used separetely as well! :) Hey, just hide and show whatever you wish for your poser renders" renapd,how is this done? i tried to make the jacket invisible but cannot do so without making the top part of the pants invisible also.is there some way of seperating the items by editing the files?

oh yeah! forgot to say thanks,this is a very cool freebie,hope to see more like it.(german paratrooper hint,hint)

Yes Lelionix, without having even downloaded this yet I knoe it can be done. Don't make them invisible in HE, make them invisible in MATERIAL editor. I do it all the time . In HE you get chest, hip etc, in the material editor you get the separate parts of the outfit. Just set the ones you don't want to trans 100% min and max and there you go.

Thanks Chocole.. you've been my saviour to this since I haven't logged in back since early this morning and I just hate people thinking I ignore them! :) TIM.. maybe you're right about how unwillingly I flamed this post myself with my own presentation comments.. but you know, at times like these.. you just can never be sure of how to approach a sensitive subject..playing it cool or making sure you don't get misunderstood! I just voted for the latter! :) Rena

thanks

We have a mix up here and guess what its all my fault as i'm the miltary uniform person rena is ancient history and everything else :o)...this is a "during the war" uniform, and there was a mix up when i was telling Rena the info, so sorry buddy :o) and sorry to everyone else for the historical confusion. This is a Waffen SS officer, cavalry i suspect but i'm not to up on the shoulder boards to be sure.....Nope SS was not always black, the reason we made this uniform was basically good source material and the only other choices where pre-war SS (the confusion point)and dutch SS both of which where black and i thought to focused to be changed to other uniforms.....Storm the colored stripe is his medal ribbons, the only bit that isn't correct as he's wearing Rommels medal bar LOL.....as for the politics, there are NONE this is a WW2 uniform, made simply because it is part of our history, i'm an avid reader of modern military history and the source material was just to good to NOT make it....Steve PS whats Grammar LOL

This is wonderful. Since the demise of the WWII 3D site, there hasn't been much if any free military material available. Thank you. There's no denying the fact that the Nazis knew how to dress and how to put on a parade. All the military might was nothing without the psychological manipulation behind it.

there's also a ss stormtrooper for mike freebie at corearts i can't find the link but it's probably somwhere in rosity's links on right.

Heya, with a retexturing job, it'll also work as a good base for a Highway Patrol or motorcycle cop outfit. Some forces still use those style pants on motorcycle uniforms. Have to remove the swastika, unless one's making a political statement on the police... ;] Thanks Rena. And give Steve an "atta boy" from the cookie jar also. ;]

On a lighter note, you could do a Poser version of "The Producers." Springtime for Hitler...

Hey Rena, Thanx, this looks great - off to grab it for the collection. BTW: Nudge nudge, hint hint... How about some American Civil War military uniforms - both sides? Those ought to be extraordinarily popular items once available.