Hi guys. Ok. First the picture - just messing around, it's called Memories of Ghosts. Nothing major, like I say just me messing. Wow. I see new names everywhere. I'm gonna have to have a serious night of looking through all the posts and find out wots going on. And posting a few pics, too. As for me, well, I'm spending quite a bit of time in the garage stripping the bike down at the moment - but I'm logging it all on the camera and I'm gonna add a secret little section to my website so you can see what / how I'm doing. If you're interested of course. ok, well, catch you all later, don't do anything I wouldn't and if you do - don't get caught! ;-) (",)

This is a very nice effect you have produced here young Mike...btw, I'm glad to see you back. grin Did you use any particular filter here? (like the autofx "dreamy photo" filter for example) What kind of bike are you stripping? (Nude bikes? hmmmmmm...) Catch you soon... :-)>

Neat effect. Glad to see you back to liven up the place, (not that 'chelle and star aren't lively).

Nice to see new stuff from you, Mike =) Neat indeed! Very neat actually :)

KEWLNESS...! :-) (but I am miffed at the way web colors are doing unjustice to this... damn those maps...) Nice to see ya posting again, Mikey! Wahooooooooo... (*

Mike thats twice you have posted have you found your PC again? Oh, I see you have and a naked bike, we have loads of them round our way. Sorry girls. Like your image, But would like to make this comment, is it Photography? This thought is plaguing me at the MO, just started entering photographic exhibitions again and the judges keep questioning if my work is Photography. Makes me so made man it started in the camera what more do you want what are your thoughts?

The judges may be caught in a time warp where they haven't really caught up with reality yet...is it photography, is it art? No-one has the final authority to say one way or another, and that debate could go round in circles for a long time! Believe me...I tried to start a thread discussing the merits of digital art ~ ie: if anything special came from the new tools and techniques at our fingertips..it seems like that is just being interpreted as an "is it art?" discussion, which really wasn't what I was asking at all...these questions often go on for a long thread, with everyone having different but equally valid viewpoints until they finally peter out...As slynky pointed out over in 2d, Marcel Duchamp exhibited a porcelain urinal as art back in 1917...is it sculpture? LOL... :-)>

Bloody hell, I was not trying to start that thread again. I just wanted another opinion on the, is it photography question. As you know I am a member of a photography club and causing quite a stir with my highly manipulated work, if clubs are going to continue to except digital pictures in there competitions and exhibitions they are going to have to set some boundaries. The only ruling at the moment is you have to be the author of all the picture components. As photographers where do you feel the boundaries lie? when does digital photography become digital art? :O)

Such groups can set any rules they want, and folks on the cutting edge will break them, or choose not to participate. It is perfectly all right for them to have a rule that says only conventional cameras with images processed in a chemical darkroom. Sort of quaint and nostalgic, but a perfectly valid rule. All digital images are manipulated! [All conventional analog photographs are also.] Angels dancing on a pin...

...but what really is the difference between the "is it photography?" question and the other questions? As Michael said, certain groups will have certain rules, and that's fine for them...but that doesn't mean something IS photography (or not). :-)>

BTW ~ I think it is photography Jeff. :-)>