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Subject: Is there a way to simulate crying in P4?


SamTherapy ( ) posted Tue, 29 October 2002 at 8:00 AM · edited Sun, 03 November 2024 at 10:52 AM

I don't mean a single teardrop; what I'm looking for is eyes brimming and tears running down the face. I tried using some props which were designed for "other bodily fluids" (ahem), and altering the colour and trans but they didn't work out so well. Before anyone suggests it, I know it can be done easily with postwork in Photoshop (and very good it looks, too) but I'd like to know if it's possible without. TIA.

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TalleyJC ( ) posted Tue, 29 October 2002 at 8:23 AM

Well all I can say is that P5 can cause real crying.... Sorry to be of no help


SamTherapy ( ) posted Tue, 29 October 2002 at 8:24 AM

Haha, I was waiting for that one. :)

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Turtle ( ) posted Tue, 29 October 2002 at 8:36 AM

Haven't ben able to do this myself either and I have tear drops someone made. but I agree, that doesn't work. The closes I've been with this is with DNA eyes with lost of red veins and Highlights in the eyes. but that didn't cut it for me either.?????

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Dave-So ( ) posted Tue, 29 October 2002 at 8:58 AM

you guys beat me to that statement :) it was the first thing that came to my mind when I read this message LOL... Sorry, no help on the tears...its something I've tried before as well, with no success.... Although, if you look at Beach Babe from RDNA, sweat/wet is done pretty nicely on that texture....so, perhaps take, as an example, a Vic texture, and apply the tears in PS, or whatever.... Also, the wet eyes..wuld it not be possible to make a layer near the bottom of the eye...a prop or perhaps take an eye into a modeling program and add a layer...sorta like a skullcap...especially in P5 where you have much greater control...it would probably work.

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Dale B ( ) posted Tue, 29 October 2002 at 9:37 AM

Actually, you would need to take the face into a modeller; the thing you have to keep in mind about a tearing eye is that the lower eyelid acts as a catch, so what you get is a fillet of fluid that builds up on the lower eyelid -before- spilling over. That's usually how people 'know' that someone is about to cry, despite any behavior to the contrary. For it to be a prop, it would almost have to be a two part one; one part that does go over the eye, and adds the 'wet' highlights and added sheen and depth of tears, and one that parented to the lower eyelid, so that the line of built up fluid would stay with it, no matter the expression. Postwork may be easier, but if it were a genuine prop, you could map it and use textures for all sort of effects (weeping fire, anyone...?).


Phantast ( ) posted Tue, 29 October 2002 at 10:23 AM

I did a picture recently of someone bawling her eyes out, but it wasn't done in close up, so the pose and the clutched hankie said it all. One saw the tears in one's mind eye.


Ghostofmacbeth ( ) posted Tue, 29 October 2002 at 12:49 PM

It is possible but not solely in P4 ... I don't have P5 but it might be possible there because they do have specular maps I think .. I did it in Poser and Bryce ... If you hve both and that is an option let me know. Purely P4 though I don't know of a way.



SamTherapy ( ) posted Tue, 29 October 2002 at 2:04 PM

Thanks, nu-be, but that's not quite what I'm looking for. Ghostofmacbeth - I only have P4PP, no Bryce, unfortunately. Thanks everyone for your help.

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ScottA ( ) posted Tue, 29 October 2002 at 3:55 PM

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Not sure what type of specific effect you are looking for ST. I did this the simplest way I could think of: I applied a magnet to the ball prop and stretched it out to the shape of a teardrop. Then I applied a transmap to it and played around with the transmap and Highlight amounts. I don't know if this will do for hat you want. But you can import as many of these tears drops as you like and really make him Ball. ;-) ScottA


Stormrage ( ) posted Tue, 29 October 2002 at 5:19 PM

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I do tears in postwork.. that's about the only way I get the effect I want as with this image.. otherwise it just doesn't look right. Tears go everywhich way.


shadownet ( ) posted Tue, 29 October 2002 at 5:30 PM

My 2-cents. Tex and trans map on a transparent square prop, use the scale and trans dials to make the tears run in an animation.


buck ( ) posted Fri, 01 November 2002 at 12:04 PM

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Tried several things to achieve the "eyes brimming with tears" effect, and this is the best I've come up with. The figure is Vicky2. I used a torus positioned just above the eyelid with transparency set to 0.8 - colored the eyeball and lacrimal pink.

I parented the toruses (tori?) to the head, but can't figure out how to save them as a smart prop so they can be applied to other Vicky2 figures. They position themselves in her abdomen!

Next step would be to create a "wet skin sheen" overlay for the head texture, to provide the look of tears moistening her face. Addition of a "tear" prop emerging from the corner of the eye would be another option, although seldom do you actually see teardrops falling down someone's face.

It would be nice to be able to incorporate all this in some MAT/MOR files to simplify application.

Anyone have any suggestions?

Buck


shadownet ( ) posted Fri, 01 November 2002 at 12:50 PM

Hmm, interesting. BTW, have you tried parenting the torus to the eyeballs rather than the head? I used the ball props to make an eye glint prop, and parented it to the eyeballs. It saves as a smart prop and loads correctly. I am thinking it might work the same here with the torus.


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