I know this subject has probably been mentioned a billion times but I would like to know other members input on the matter. When I render an image in Poser I usually expect to spend a certain amount time postworking to fix, change, or just improve on what I rendered. I never consider an image complete until I've done some postwork on it. How much is too much before it should no longer be considered a picture for the Poser gallery? Poser is the only 3d rendering program I used for an image so I still consider it to be a Poser picture. Is this right?

It doesn't matter what you use, or how much of what you use. The end result is all that matters :) Although if you feel it is too much postwork for yourself, then just put it in the "Mixed Medium" gallery. It's there for such things :) Tom

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LOL Scott, Yeah I tried to nip this one quick. Doubt it'll help. Tom

Well, maybe this has been discussed a billion times but did you guys think about the "newbies" that I lurking just to try and get some more info!! And help?? :) I lurked here for a longg time and it really helped!! So for what it's worth, I agree with Tom - the end result is what matters. It very much depends on what you are trying to achieve. There are plenty of Poser and 3D purists who don't want to do any postwork at all and that's cool because it suits the kind of image they are trying to achieve. Then there's the 2D'ers who just need a little bit of "human form" added to their images and consequently are usually post worked to death. And I also think there are the "in betweenies". Those that want to do 3D but don't like the final render. They may need to repair joints or add shadows or just very subtle fixes. It's up to you!! :) Just my thoughts on the subject!! ~Di

Hey, it's up to the artist! I figure as long as I see something Poser created in a picture, it qualifies. Some people are purists, and it is encouraged to use Poser as much as possible, but the Poser gallery gets the most hits, and if you want to have your art exposed, it's really the best place to put it. Also, the galleries provide a place for others to get technical ideas and inspiration. Postwork can be as enlightening as raw renders. Even a final render in Bryce or Vue can help now, since the new P5 material room uses the same basic concept as Vue and Bryce.

The real question is how much do you want to do? And, of course, how much do you want your artistic efforts to be defined by others? It's early, I haven't Nearly enough caffiene running through my system. If you wannta be loved, get a dog. If you wannta do art get a thicker skin and do what you like to do. Nough said. And post it where you think it belongs. Personally, I want to see all Poser based pieces in the Poser gallery-- if they are rendered in Bryce or Vue or Ligthwave, I'd like to know that but they don't have to move galleries-- and I consider that major postwork, by the way. I can usually tell when a piece has been through PhotoShop for a number of hours. About the only time I would think you should maybe post in Mixed medium is if the whole dang thing has been cloned in Painter-- even then, I would like to see it. I like to see anything done with poser. Emily

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Thanks for all of the replies, I think they all answer my question. - Michael

Actually, the correct answer is: 33 minutes and 52 seconds of postwork is officially considered too much, so try to stay under that limit. jjsemp

My answer may surprise you, given that some of you may know how I feel about postworking my own stuff... IMO, it doesn't matter a damn what you do to achieve the effects you're after. The reason I don't want to postwork my stuff is because they are all experimental up to a point - and I enjoy playing with the medium to see what I can achieve. So, yes, maybe I am a purist in that sense. However, if I'm being paid by someone to produce an image, I'll use whatever means or tools at my disposal to achieve the end result. The client doesn't give a damn about how you do it, all they want is the finished article.

Art knows no rules.

And life finds a way. ;-)

No loitering in the forums! Move on, Move on! And you schmoopy, if you want to know anything about postwort then buy one of the Postwork eBooks from the Renderosity MP. This site has to turn a buck after all.

"Imagine if there was art that used NO POSER AT ALL!" Then would it really be art? What exactly IS art? -jjsemp

Yes, but I think all of your are avoiding the real question.... If you are using a tool like Poser, where all you do is pose something and apply textures and use props that you most likely purchased or downloaded, and were most likely created by someone else, is it art? So the question of postwork is irrelevant, since the prior product in the workflow is suspect. (sorry, i couldn't resist). - Ray

My god, all Postwork!! But there's no gallery for it.:))) Emily

um. Ratteler. My comment was sarcastic, hence the "sorry, I couldn't resist". Was in reference to all of the previous discussions re: this topic.

If Poser5 crashes. And nobdoy is around to see it. Did it really crash?

According to the R.A.A.N.V.I.T(W/Wo-S); Chapter 32, subsection 123-45m65, veruses 40-41 "And lo there shall be permitted, only that which is meaningful is permitted. Or 15 minutes, depending." According to the R.A.P.P; Page 21 of thr RAPP handbook "There shall be no vile changes to the image except for the afixing of name and date. Any further vile work shall be punished with the hand of the heritc being cut off with shears.

Oh yeah? Well FINE! I assumed everyone would get it , unless they went to school at Texas A&M, in which I case I would have apologized. They do not understand humor. I mean, just look at the football team... :) (sorry Ags)

ryamka, I picked up on it right away. But then, I went to the University of Oklahoma. :-)

When you can't recognize the original image any more. (Well, I think that was a render of Mike at the beach, but now it looks like Lara Croft in the jungle.)

schmoppy, is this a question about putting it in the poser gallery and getting more hits or putting it in mixed medium where there are lower hits? the work you do, i would put in mixed medium if hits didn't matter. but to be honest, a lot of us use the poser gallery because we wanted lots of people to see the picture in the first place. so it's up to you ;)

Do as much postwork as you like :) its ART! There are some people who do everything without postwork, and thats cool, but there are those who take a good render and postwork it until its AMAZING. So do whatever makes you happy - just wash your hands afterwards wink Lyrra PS if the image is ALL postwork its in the 2D gallery of course

Ok, Smoopy, I went to see your gallery, I saw all the static you have been getting. Here's a tip, let the "critics" know ahead of time that you have repainted the face, or whatever you've reworked. That way they don't feel utterly outclassed in Poser and then cheatedcause it was "just" painted--- sheeze. This is one of the reasons Poser was created in the first place and you do it fantastically. Just let people know before hand and the static will decrease. Tell em at the same time Poser people want to see my stuff. Cause I'm a Poser person and so's April and we do. Then do what you like, be upfront about what you did and post where you like. It really does pay to be honest. Then ignore anybody who tells you to move it-- Lyrra is a gallery mod, she should know if you should move it and she said no. Emily

I guess it pays to be as descriptive as possible when posting an image. Yes, I do tend to post in the Poser gallery because I know more people will view it than if I posted in the mixed medium gallery. It's unfortunate that a lot of spectacular art is ignored because it's not posted in a popular gallery. I know this is a digression of the question I originally asked but I just have to say that it would it be nice if the galleries were maybe classified by subject matter rather than by tool used. So many of the works in all of the galleries have a little bit of one program or another added to a post whether it's an imported object or corrective postwork. This is really a moot point since this website has been successfully running in it's current iteration for several years now. I'm sure if the classifications were to change we would once again have people complaining about what picture was placed in what gallery. Once again thanks for all of the comments. This has been quite enlightening. -Michael

Mixed Medium is such a dead end, I would not post there. And I'm sorry I misspelled your name, Schmoopy. Emily

schmoopy, I've taken note that your work is outstanding. As such I'll echo queri's sentiments and add that it's talent like yours that shows the rest of us Poserites what's possible. Heck, that's WHY I view the Poser gallery. Keep posting there!