Or in the top view, use the control handle in the middle of the edge rather than the corner.

Umm if you ar using Poser, just go straight from Poser to Vue, it imports pz3 files, and if you get Mover, it even imports Poser animations, dynamic hair and clothing.

Well when I listed the two things I preferred about Bryce, the implication was that everything else about Vue was better! The thing that really sold me was when I tried importing poser into the Vue demo, it freakin worked almost perfectly, none of that going through daz studio (and learning yet another entirely different interface - cough) and even then having issues with bump maps and such, so having to deal with Bryce's material editor (aaaaggghh) LOL But Yeah the render speed is definitely up there too ;-)

heh, I'm one that thinks Bryce's GUI is clunky, actually one of the few programs I ever got that I HAD to read some of the manual before I could do anything with it, and the material editor is still almost entirely opaque to me. As for the panning speed, I just tried it out with Vue 5 pro studio (loaded a bunch of terrains and set them up to 2048 resolution). And strangely, only had it slow down with view modes OTHER than smooth shaded LOL (ie wireframe). So I loaded up vue d'esprit 4 and loaded a huge scene I had made with it, and yep, had to go to options to tone down the drawing and redrawing quality to smoothout the panning. I'd say the two things I prefer about Bryce are 1)that "foamy seawater" material, even though the Vue's foamy water material looks more like actual foamy seawater, I like the bubble effect in the Bryce material for OTHER purposes. And I haven't been able to match it in Vue ...yet ;-). and 2) The ability to do LOW ground fog close to the camera.

Yes I tried to make a royal palm from a coconut, everything worked fine until I tried using texture maps from another Royal Palm model for the leaves.... then haywire

Oh it's happening to you too? And yes I went into the material editor from the material browser and changed the overall color and everything is hunky dory still with the render.

Oh it's happening to you too?

Meanwhile I loaded up your willow again and rendered it without going into botanicals and it didn't get the artifacts, of course the leaves are black... Guess I have to take it up with e-on as well.

Well I can trade leaf materials among all the trees that came with Vue with no problem at all (i.e cut from one, paste in another), it's only customized maps that seem to do this. I think I only opened botanicals on your file because of the error on loading, interestingly the alpha WAS imbedded, I just changed the overall color to get it to render green.

Vue does it, and you can get Vue d'esprit 4 for 69 dollars now from e-on software. It also is very poser friendly