The only comments i have made that have been impolite have been in retaliation to rude or condescending comments made to me. i asked for opinions to help me make up my mind before spending a lot of money but now i've got an iPod instead, i don't care anymore.

i do have an opinion about V4 and from what i've seen, she is quite ugly compared to other characters, so i have made up my mind. Out the box, so are most of the characters but at least they can look really good with some work on (except for SP3!) i wanted other peoples' opinions about V4 because i really wanted to be proved wrong and someone to show me a character that was stunning, but so far no one has. Some are nice enough but i'm still disappointed. i'm trying to decide whether to blow money on her and i know with time she will improve, so i'm resigned to the fact i will have to purchase her eventually but i'm still not convinced she's got an attractive face and ever will have so i will stick with V3 as long as i can.

Quote - "My advice would be to get V4 while the sale is on, but then again, there might be an even better sale in March, so who knows? As I said, I'm happy with my purchase, and I see a bright future for the character." i think i will have to buy V4 eventually as before long V3 will be forgotton about and merchants will no longer use her so i don't really have a choice in the matter. i just wish i could find her attractive. @pjz99 If you think this debate is so pointless, don't comment!

i know things will definitely improve for V4 in the next year or two and she will get better but time is an issue with everything being on sale at the moment so if i don't get her now, she will full price soon. i have been using V3 for several years so i got a lot of stuff for her and it will be a big upheaval although i know i won't disregard V3 immediately if i do purchase V4. Also does this mean that A4, SP4, M4 and D4 will be released soon?

i'm not necessarily talking about the base default face being ugly or not, i mean with the morphs added. Look at SP3, she's never been very popular cause it's generally agreed she's not pretty. i do own her and have a few packages that make her attractive but they are a rarity. Whatever you do with SP3, you are fighting a losing battle cause she's fallen from that aforementioned ugly tree. Now this character by maelwenn (i think) is stunning and i would happily run over to Daz with my credit card and damage it severely with V4 if she was released but so far nothing else has really inspired me to do so yet. i know some characters are pretty but i already have plenty of pretty characters for V3 that don't require another thrashing on my bank balance. i think i agree with Simderella on the waxy eyeballs and puffy eyelids, also on the tea and crumpets bit too!

Hey, cats are far more beautiful than dogs so don't get me started on that!

i know everyone has their own idea of beauty and life would be boring if everyone looked the same and perfect, but it's definitely something with V4's eyes that is wrong and she seems to have a round face. Personally i just think so far, V3 and A3 are a lot more attractive in comparison. So now i've opened a can of worms with V4, what's Sydney like?

@Neyjour Yep, that face is very pretty, mainly cause it doesn't look much like her! Lol i'm not a member of the Daz PC so i've got to pay $20 or so for theV4 base meaning i can't play before i buy, which is a shame. i thought about the 30-day money back guarantee but i've already done that a few times and i'm scared Daz will ban me if i do it again! i know it's early days with V4 and hopefully she'll get better with time but if the basic face and extra morphs aren't great, then however talented the artists and merchants are, they can't make her beautiful. i'm sure Daz will release more morph packs to improve her but that's even more money to pay out and i've already got V3 with enough morphs to make her into whatever i want. As far as realism goes, i can't see her being superior to V3 cause textures are as detailed as they can get. That unattached iris sounds weird and she seems to have strange eyelids and puffy eyes, but i guess merchants will sort that out eventually. Anyway, i think i've made my mind up, it's the iPod until something for V4 really bites me!

If i owned a copy of V4, i wouldn't be asking for opinions about her. i'm going on the images i have seen so far of her and the more i see, the less i like her. V3 out the box is bad but at least she can be made to look very attractive. i can't afford to blow $35 on a character that is ugly however much you mess about with dials and morphs and if you would like to buy me a good modelling program, i will rearrange her polys but until then, i have to rely on merchants that know what they're doing to create products for me. i'm not made of money.

i can't quite figure exactly what it is about her face that i don't like, i think it's mainly her eyes that are strange. Don't get me wrong, some of the characters for her are pretty (Helena, Nadia, JoJo and Eylina) but nothing compared to V3 and A3 and unless some drastic morph packs are released, i don't think any merchant can work miracles and make her stunning. i would wait and see what else comes out for her and if something really bites me and says 'buy me now!' but she won't be on sale for that long so i got to make a decision soon. At the moment i'm leaning more towards an iPod for a pressie for myself than V4 and all her addons!

i'm asking for opinions about V4 before forking out $40 for her, not how ugly your dog is.

So basically it's impossible to get accurate shadow maps with the Poser 4 renderer? i will have to use Firefly if i want decent shadows? Thanks.

i wish i could go back to P4, i hate P6, nothing works properly! :crying: The only time i tried a firefly render, it took 26 hours and she had red skin so i'm not impressed with that! Ok, i render huge (2700 x 3000 @ 300 dpi) but life is just too short to wait that long for a render! i think i will just stop using shadow maps. Thanks.

Thanks for the link, i checked and the bias was 0.8 so i reduced that right down to 0.01 and the shadow map size was 4000 so that should have got rid of the nasty lumpy shadows but it's still the same and there's no other light with shadows on in the image so what else could it be? Thanks.

Here's a piccy so you can see what i mean. You can see it especially in the shadows below her eyes and on her shoulders. The light giving the nasty shadows is a spotlight too if that helps. Thanks.